Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Good Intentions]

I’m not a Kane guy, at all, but killing off Trouba is a big win.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

They’ll spend more than half of it on Tanev

I highly doubt they’d turn around and give that money to another RD.

Kane wants to make things right and the Rangers are aggressively pursuing him. He allegedly wants a deal that’s about double what he was making last year (which puts him at around 5.5-6 million). Which is the exact amount of space this move frees up if Brooks is right, and he probably is.

Not saying it’s a lock. but in this scenario if it walks like a duck and talks like one…..

 

[djzbad]

Yay let’s spend cap on a small skill guy who’s old and had major surgery and disappears when things get rough, getting rid of Trouba (good thing) just to get Kane is why this team is a joke

 

[GAGLine]

I am open to 2.5 retained and hopefully a better return

I was expecting to take Holl back, who makes 3.5 for the next 2 years. If we can retain 2.5 and not take anyone back, even better.

Can't we just waive him & NOT retain?

I don't see why any team would claim him on waivers. There's interest, but that interest is likely predicated on us either retaining or the other team sending salary back. If we can clear 5.5 mil, that's a huge win for us.

Only situation where I’d be fine with retaining is if we don’t take a big salary back. I’d do Trouba straight up for Copp but for 2.5 retained I’d want an actual valuable prospect.

Not Copp. He has 3 years left and makes 5.625 mil. If we have to take someone back, it should be Holl, but then we wouldn't be retaining.

 

[Fitzy]

Yay let’s spend cap on more small skill guys who are older and disappear when things get rough, getting rid of Trouba just to get Kane is why this team is a joke

Too much here to respond to in one post but let’s not pretend that Trouba was somehow a positive factor this postseason in any interpretation.

I’m not sold on Kane at all. But I do think we are marginally better with him than Trouba. Before we factor in any additional cofounders.

My problem is I don’t think it takes us all the way to where we need to be. We need speed and depth. Kane doesn’t give us either

 

[djzbad]

Too much here to respond to in one post but let’s not pretend that Trouba was somehow a positive factor this postseason in any interpretation.

I’m not sold on Kane at all. But I do think we are marginally better with him than Trouba. Before we factor in any additional cofounders.

My problem is I don’t think it takes us all the way to where we need to be. We need speed and depth. Kane doesn’t give us either

Yea I went back and added getting rid of Trouba is a good thing cause I didn’t mean for it to sound like I wanna keep him at all costs

It’s what they may do with the cap saved I have a problem with and I don’t think Kane gets us to the promised land

 

[GAGLine]

I highly doubt they’d turn around and give that money to another RD.

We've got to sign someone. I can't imagine we'll go into the season with Fox, Schneider and Mancini as our RHD.

Tanev turns 35 in December. He's coming off a 4-year deal @ 4.5 mil per. At his age, he's almost certainly getting less than both of those numbers. I'm not sure if he'd take a 1-year deal, but I'd be open to a 2-year deal if the AAV isn't too high. 2 x 2.5? I'm not sure that gets it done. Other teams may offer more.

 

[rangers1314]

What time does R2 start today?

 

[Riche16]

I don't see why any team would claim him on waivers. There's interest, but that interest is likely predicated on us either retaining or the other team sending salary back. If we can clear 5.5 mil, that's a huge win for us.

Everything I've read says he's more valued around the league by GMs / teams than we feel on this board.

I wouldn't be surprised however if you're correct. Was just hoping to clear his entire hit.

 

[Raspewtin]

What time does R2 start today?

1130 est

 

[frozenrubber]

Still afraid Holl is coming back as Detroit has Seider, Holl, Petry for RD.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If the scenario was retain or take back a contract like Holl, what do we think the return is seeing that reports leading up to this said that Trouba does indeed have positive trade value?

Still afraid Holl is coming back as Detroit has Seider, Holl, Petry for RD.

May be they have another deal for Holl or will waive him?

Edit: They being Detriot.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Replacing Holl with Trouba is a net negative for the Rangers, and I’d honestly be disappointed if that were the move. Getting like $3m in cap and a 2nd isn’t nearly enough to run a RD group of Fox-Schneider-Holl

 

[frozenrubber]

If the scenario was retain or take back a contract like Holl, what do we think the return is seeing that reports leading up to this said that Trouba does indeed have positive trade value?



May be they have another deal for Holl or will waive him?

If the Rangers get Justin Holl, it will be a record that we know who the whipping boy of fans will be by July 1st.

 

[rangers1314]

Sorry, did I miss something explicitly tying Trouba to Detroit?

 

[gump116]

I was expecting to take Holl back, who makes 3.5 for the next 2 years. If we can retain 2.5 and not take anyone back, even better.

I don't see why any team would claim him on waivers. There's interest, but that interest is likely predicated on us either retaining or the other team sending salary back. If we can clear 5.5 mil, that's a huge win for us.

Not Copp. He has 3 years left and makes 5.625 mil. If we have to take someone back, it should be Holl, but then we wouldn't be retaining.

It’s probably better to take Holl back then the rumored 2.5m retention. Can just waive him at any point and his cap hit becomes slightly less than the 2.5m retained. Or can keep him on the roster for a year. Holl is overpaid, but still a serviceable 6/7 D who can play on the third pair right side this year. And the cap would be about the same as retention plus a min cap hit alternative.

There’s optionally too with his contract. After this year can add something to get rid of him if necessary to clear space. With retention, there’s no way to get that 2.5m cap off the books.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

We've got to sign someone. I can't imagine we'll go into the season with Fox, Schneider and Mancini as our RHD.

Tanev turns 35 in December. He's coming off a 4-year deal @ 4.5 mil per. At his age, he's almost certainly getting less than both of those numbers. I'm not sure if he'd take a 1-year deal, but I'd be open to a 2-year deal if the AAV isn't too high. 2 x 2.5? I'm not sure that gets it done. Other teams may offer more.

They’re going to sign another RD I just don’t think it will be someone of Tanev’s stature or salary. I believe he’ll get more than you listed from another team

If the scenario was retain or take back a contract like Holl, what do we think the return is seeing that reports leading up to this said that Trouba does indeed have positive trade value?



May be they have another deal for Holl or will waive him?

Could see it being someone like Veleno and a pick. Detroit has an insane amount of cap space, not sure we’d have to take another big contract back

 

[Boris Zubov]

Sorry, did I miss something explicitly tying Trouba to Detroit?

Brooks at 430 Am with an article in the Post.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If the Rangers get Justin Holl, it will be a record that we know who the whipping boy of fans will be by July 1st.

Yeah, sorry when I said they in my last post I meant Detriot. Been dealing with covid for the last week, brain fog is real.

They’re going to sign another RD I just don’t think it will be someone of Tanev’s stature or salary. I believe he’ll get more than you listed from another team


Could see it being someone like Veleno and a pick. Detroit has an insane amount of cap space, not sure we’d have to take another big contract back

Too bad the trade couldn't be finalized today and that pick be a 2nd in this year's draft.

They’re going to sign another RD I just don’t think it will be someone of Tanev’s stature or salary. I believe he’ll get more than you listed from another team


Could see it being someone like Veleno and a pick. Detroit has an insane amount of cap space, not sure we’d have to take another big contract back

Too bad the trade couldn't be finalized today and that pick be a 2nd in this year's draft.

 

[Daves a mess]

What time does R2 start today?

Started already

 

[Boris Zubov]

Too bad the trade couldn't be finalized today and that pick be a 2nd in this year's draft.

Nothing says it can't be if Trouba waives early. Sounds like they've already approached him & Detroit is clearly not on his list of teams he won't go to. It's all semantics at this point anyway...it's not like he has to report there today or tomorrow. He's probably at some 5 star golf resort anyway.

Started already

No it hasn't. Time zones are still a thing.

 

[Daves a mess]

Brooks at 430 Am with an article in the Post.

I do see this as normal Larry as opposed to being in bed with 2 supermodels at that time.

 

[NYR Viper]

He is a 3rd pairing defensemen who was glaringly bad all season. He can’t make a breakout pass to save his life. He routinely is out of position. I love his leadership but I can’t see him playing a meaningful role on a Stanley cup winning team.

He’s not THAT bad. He was bad after his ankle injury but he’s a 4/5 who plays a very physical brand of hockey and has proven leadership skills. I mean Zadorov is exactly this and he’s about to get $6m long term.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I just hope this new found cap space is not squandered on UFAs and some of it is invested in extensions for this teams core 2.0 (Laff, Miller may be a trade addition to add to said future core)

 

[Vitto79]

Kane scored at a 30g, 75pt pace last season after surgery. He's not a terrible add, but he's not exactly what the Rangers were missing either.

Weird part is Wings want him but getting Trouba gives NYR more space