Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[zlev]

I do like that idea. Too bad he's not Left handed.

agreed but the upgrade of Trouba to Walker would be tremendous

 

[LOFIN]

Sean Walker is good, but not like totally awesome. I think he was fine in Colorado, but he's still like a #4/5

Which is miles better than Trouba/Lindgren for what they cost

But he better not be the best D-man they are after. Like not even close.

In an ideal world: And Walker would be the X next to Schneider

Fox - X
Miller - X
Schneider - X

 

[DanielBrassard]

Sean Walker is good, but not like totally awesome. I think he was fine in Colorado, but he's still like a #4/5

Which is miles better than Trouba/Lindgren for what they cost

But he better not be the best D-man they are after. Like not even close.

I do wonder where he would play, maybe with Miller. Don't see him playing with Jones as both are smaller puck movers.

 

[Circus86]

Walker would be the perfect 3rd pairing RD behind Fox and Schneider. Wonder what sort of contract he is looking for.

 

[bernmeister]

No.

respectfully, agree to disagree, no
Lindy + 4th = 2 2nds PLUS ALSO CAP SPACE

why do we aim low on a flawed maybe like Fara?

bank the assets, like everybody's mother said, they won't get up and walk away

If we have opportunity for better, great
If Fara is available cheap, min risk, he can be a plan b or c
so given this reality ^
NO

 

[effen]

Walker would be the perfect 3rd pairing RD behind Fox and Schneider. Wonder what sort of contract he is looking for.

He'd have rocks in his head to not look for what Dylan DeMelo (4/20) got. 2 years younger.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Jones and Walker as a bottom pair would be worthwhile. Then replace Lindgren with a legitimate top 4 D, and pick up a cheap 7D. You can do all of that and still have excess cap to find a top line F as long as you’re willing to make the tough decisions around Lindgren and Trouba.

EDIT - Nevermind, thought Walker still had one year left at $2.65m.

 

[effen]

respectfully, agree to disagree, no
Lindy + 4th = 2 2nds PLUS ALSO CAP SPACE

why do we aim low on a flawed maybe like Fara?

bank the assets, like everybody's mother said, they won't get up and walk away

If we have opportunity for better, great
If Fara is available cheap, min risk, he can be a plan b or c
so given this reality ^
NO

Contending teams don't trade off the roster for beans unless they immediately flip the beans for other roster pieces. Skip the beans part, just get the distressed top 9 forward.

Farabee has 3 more years of control and just had 50 points playing 16 minutes a night. This one's pretty easy if you can do it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There’s been no actual smoke on Lindgren so it’s gonna be hilarious when the team bends over backwards to move Trouba just to hand his money to Lindgren

 

[zlev]

Walker is much better than bottom pair. solidly top 4 defenseman. it's very promising that the front office has "done their homework" on him.

 

[bernmeister]

Of course we’re trying to move a defenseman. We don’t need someone to confirm that. It’s incredibly obvious.

The actual question is can we get it done?

If we listen to bern, pocket picks + cap space, and not try to force a return, yes.
Perspective peeps, perspect.

We'd like to get out from under Zib w/o cutting our throats
If we recognize Shesty + Zib + gets Nylander ++
THAT is the kind of thing where you emphasize the weight of what is involved.

A guy like Lindy, or Trouba, add a pick, in JT's case retain 1.5, and gt 2 2nds

george harrision: 'beware of maya"

 

[KennyWu]

This sounds too good to be true. Waiting for the news that the D they're trying to move is Schneider or Fox

 

[bernmeister]

If it makes the Penguins worse defensively thats fine too. He has more value and Penguins don't have a good prospect pool or quality depth

disagree on yr dis of KAM

 

[haohmaru]

If the Rangers actually got rid of Lindgren and Trouba, my faith would increase exponentially.

And maybe they still don't win the Cup because it's hard, but I'm more willing to accept "hey, it's hard" if they make an honest effort to put good players at every slot in the lineup.

I see them trying, and that's the keyword, to move on from Trouba. I don't think think there's any traction to Lindgren being a trade piece. From everything I've heard, people think he's not going anywhere and won't sign a budget busting deal.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in a really down year for him but I also think the GM/Coach really need to take the reigns and sit him when he's hurt. He's not doing the team any good playing on one leg or with a broken sternum or whatever the case may be.

In any event, he needs to be on the 2nd pair at best.

Miller / Fox
Lindgren / Schneider
Jones / bottom pair UFA

 

[zlev]

if they're absolutely dying to keep Lindgren....

Jones-Fox (or Miller-Fox)
Miller-Walker
Lindgren-Schneider

the problem is if Jones doesn't work out (i think he will though) then you have to move Lindgren back up to where he doesn't belong. would obviously rather spend that money on someone else.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindgren was awful even when he was completely healthy and progressively got worse as the year went on.

Connecting the dots, It actually sounds like the D they end up moving will be Lindgren.

I’m sure they’d love to move Trouba but ultimately they won’t be able to. If someone else goes it’s going to be him.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Coming from Chris Johnson, so take it for what it’s worth, but he hears NYR are looking to move a D and mentions Trouba

He’s a little late to the dance.

 

[17futurecap]

 

[Luger]

I bet we get a lot less for Kakko than anybody here expects. Or else, he's a throw in as part of a larger trade and we cope by explaining that he's a major piece.

 

[bernmeister]

From your lips to God's ears. Miller gets you real stuff, not random magic beans.

And why is that?
Because he is GOOD!
flawed, yes, but GOOD!!

So instead of shooting ourselves in the foot w/stupid short term win now bs
why don't we keep this guy?

 

[Synergy27]

So, Trouba can’t be moved until Monday at the earliest right?

 

[bernmeister]

Contending teams don't trade off the roster for beans unless they immediately flip the beans for other roster pieces. Skip the beans part, just get the distressed top 9 forward.

Farabee has 3 more years of control and just had 50 points playing 16 minutes a night. This one's pretty easy if you can do it.

Unless he falls to us super cheap, no
b'c otherwise it is bad asset mgmt

and eff the criticism of 'beans'
you need the beans in order to have something to grow

we have given away too many picks
stop STOP STOP

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I bet we get a lot less for Kakko than anybody here expects. Or else, he's a throw in as part of a larger trade and we cope by explaining that he's a major piece.

Players that get scratched when it matters most hold very little value in this league

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Where did he say it, TSN?

Go to the 28:40 mark:

 

[bernmeister]

I bet we get a lot less for Kakko than anybody here expects. Or else, he's a throw in as part of a larger trade and we cope by explaining that he's a major piece.

Which is why the smart move is listen to bern
keep KK