Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Fitzy]

And with Datsyuk being recently inducted, something like ten Hall of Famers.

It's probably my favorite roster ever assembled. The 2003 Avalanche would have been up there had Roy not decided to retire just prior.

 

[NYR Viper]

Also Arvidsson is a better option than Kane.

Will probably be cheaper too.

AFP has Arvidsson @ 3 years and $4.75m per season

AFP has Kane @ 2 years and $6.3m

I'm less concerned with 2 years as I am the cap hit.

I'd also be intrigued with some 4D chess where Drury:
1) signs Kane for 2 years
2) trades Kakko for McGroarty +
3) Signs Joshua for 3RW

Let McGroarty and Perrault marinate another year or so then it's time to make some decisions. Joshua, Lafreniere, Berard, Cuylle, Panrin, Kreider, Kane, Perrault, McGroarty. Deal from a position of strength

 

[Good Intentions]

Why all the “4D chess” hyperbole? Such nonsense.

 

[NikC]

The contract doesn’t matter, he’s the opposite of what we need.

so the opposite of a 70-80p player SC winner would be...

Wennberg with -15 g?

 

[majordomo]

Great post & what an honest to God STRENGTHENING this would be.
As far as the Laf thing, that's not something discussed here or elsewhere yet, but he very well may not "want" to be here & may desire MTL

Not time to discuss that probably but I agree that getting to AND past FL et all is going to take some dynamic moves.

Does Drury have that in him? Or is it running it back with a few minor moves?

I believe he does -- I just don't see how he can do it in the next year or two, especially with those albatross contracts. I don't see us as a player or two away from beating FL or winning the cup -- those games weren't as close as the scores indicated (IMHO). The first step is to upgrade the defense -- if he doesn't it won't matter what forwards we have.

 

[LOFIN]

Someone over here who has a car ready to take him to the airport?

 

[Machinehead]

Is Kane a good 5v5 scorer these days? I assume the answer is no

If no, seems redundant to bring in another PP feast or famine player

But he does help sell tickets and jerseys

The short answer is yes. He still scores at 5v5. The thing is, I think it's a misconception that we need 5v5 scoring. Kreider, Lafreniere, and Trocheck are very good to great 5v5 scorers. Panarin is a remarkable 5v5 scorer. The main reason this comes up is that Zibanejad is kind of poor at scoring 5v5 goals, but his assist rates are decent.

We need 5v5 play-driving. We don't forcheck, hold onto the puck, or turn possession into offense. In a series matchup, the other team can adjust to what our stars do 5v5 (and on the PP tbh) and we don't give the opponent a different look.

Kane would be more of that. He's not charging after a loose puck and starting a cycle.

He used to be the caliber of 5v5 scorer where you didn't worry about fit. He's not that anymore. He's just good at it.

 

[zlev]

Someone over here who has a car ready to take him to the airport?

trouba, kakko and 3 firsts for crosby

 

[McRanger92]

The short answer is yes. He still scores at 5v5. The thing is, I think it's a misconception that we need 5v5 scoring. Kreider, Lafreniere, and Trocheck are very good to great 5v5 scorers. Panarin is a remarkable 5v5 scorer. The main reason this comes up is that Zibanejad is kind of poor at scoring 5v5 goals, but his assist rates are decent.

We need 5v5 play-driving. We don't forcheck, hold onto the puck, or turn possession into offense. In a series matchup, the other team can adjust to what our stars do 5v5 (and on the PP tbh) and we don't give the opponent a different look.

Kane would be more of that. He's not charging after a loose puck and starting a cycle.

Kane is like Skinner. It can't be the only move.

 

[Fitzy]

Someone over here who has a car ready to take him to the airport?

You can critique Trouba all you want but you cannot deny categorically that he is, in fact, a rough-and-tumble player.

 

[haohmaru]

Please. Every scouting report on the guy is that he doesnt hit or forecheck. We've been watching him in the eastern conference for 14 years.

Hey, I’m saying take a flier on the guy if he’s cheap. That’s all.

 

[Machinehead]

Kane is like Skinner. It can't be the only move.

And even in the right context, I'd worry about him being with Panarin just because. I didn't like that fit at all in 2023.

Neither guy is the player they were in 2016.

 

[McRanger92]

Someone over here who has a car ready to take him to the airport?

I'd pass out from laughing so hard. Mark Madden might drop dead on the spot.

This also tells me there will definitely be a market for Trouba if Drury chooses to go that route.

And even in the right context, I'd worry about him being with Panarin just because. I didn't like that fit at all in 2023.

Neither guy is the player they were in 2016.

Panarin-Mika-Laf
Kreider-tro-Kane

 

[Machinehead]

I'd pass out from laughing so hard. Mark Madden might drop dead on the spot.

This also tells me there will definitely be a market for Trouba if Drury chooses to go that route.



Panarin-Mika-Laf
Kreider-tro-Kane

Kreider-Tro-Kane was amazing for the 40 seconds they were together and then Gallant just decided he hates having the puck.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider-Tro-Kane was amazing for the 40 seconds they were together and then Gallant just decided he hates having the puck.

He missed their shift while using his tie to blow his nose on the bench

 

[Circus86]

Someone over here who has a car ready to take him to the airport?

 

[bl02]

Unless he comes back cheap and they can bring themselves to staple him to the third pair, and perhaps he rebounds a bit.



Don't want Wennberg back for free.

Ok great who's your 3c when Chytil goes down?

 

[McRanger92]

Ok great who's your 3c when Chytil goes down?

Nick Bonino obviously

 

[Atax]

Ok great who's your 3c when Chytil goes down?

Brod and Jake Lechehsysnsnnsnssns

 

[Fitzy]

Ok great who's your 3c when Chytil goes down?

Michael Peca. Reclaim the destiny that Dubinsky stole from him in 2008.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ok great who's your 3c when Chytil goes down?

I'm a fan of signing Blueger fore this very reason and I don't think he breaks the bank. $1.7-1.9m

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo we need younger legs not an old repaired version of Patrick Kane. Ehlers would be an immense upgrade over him, and while the cap hits will be way different you still need to dress a better team than we had and I don't know if Kane makes us that much better.

 

[McRanger92]

Imo we need younger legs not an old repaired version of Patrick Kane. Ehlers would be an immense upgrade over him, and while the cap hits will be way different you still need to dress a better team than we had and I don't know if Kane makes us that much better.

Not for nothing but Ehlers scored at a 61 point pace and Kane scored at a 77 point pace last year.

I get the bear case on Kane but I feel lik people are just assuming he's old and washed when the numbers dont really bear that out.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Imo we need younger legs not an old repaired version of Patrick Kane. Ehlers would be an immense upgrade over him, and while the cap hits will be way different you still need to dress a better team than we had and I don't know if Kane makes us that much better.

How much better a team? We went to the ecf 2/3 years.
We just won the presidents trophy.

We have a core mostly locked up in deals that are mostly fair market value or bargains.

Aside from Trouba and Lindgren who’s wildly overpaid in our top 9/top 4, where we can upgrade without weakening a different aspect of the team.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

trouba, kakko and 3 firsts for crosby

…and Glen Sather’s left testis.
That’s actually a relevant statement for those who remember.