Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)
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bbny
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Trocheck already had 200 more 5v5 minutes than Zibanejad this year. Matchups in the playoffs isn't really a one way street. I'm not sure if it was totally Lavi's choice to keep trotting Zibanejad out there against Barkov. I'm not even sure you'd want to force your best offensive line (Trocheck line) out there against one of the best defensive forwards in the world either. Lavi was probably good with a better matchup for Trocheck and co.
I feel like the answer isn't so cut and dry, especially when you start thinking about 3+ years from now instead of the next 1-2.
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I’m sorry that our views not aligned but Zibanejad has done what needs to be done just enough to help Shesterkin to do his thing. You and @Machinehead are set to look at things in absolute and what have you done for me lately. To me Zibanejad has been a designated #1 center for a team that got to be among only 4 left twice in the last three years at very reasonable $8.5m.
Machinehead
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ZIbanejad was up against Barkov the most minutes regardless of venue, so Lavi was clearly here for it.
Lavi did use Trocheck a lot of minutes, but any time he wanted to hard match, he went back to Zibanejad.
SA16
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How about not signing the guys who will get overpaid because they shot 21% in a contract year?
your attempt to deflect the quality of my argument by criticizing me for having provided extensive substantiation is a fail
you insist on repeating this ploy but that will not succeed
I don't mind someone else having the last word, but not if there is a mischaracterization
Rempe should have been developed earlier instead of Bonino
This club repeats this mistake favoring vets over youth and we are not kickin it on all cylinders come POs
That said, he was and is a positive force and it was a mistake to underuse him.
The fact we did better with him in the lineup
and were worse w'o him
to the point it heled cost us better chance to win v FL
is proof I am correct and I will not yield
both were mutally exclusive factors
assume zib gets the writing on the wall
bread gone this yr or not reupped
Trouba gone
Lindgren gone
possibly Shesty gone
what good return can we get from TOR which I'm guessing he'd rather not but he MIGHT consider....?
Also Marner is not good unless we can flip him for Dobson, which I doubt
thoughts...
bread gone this yr or not reupped
Trouba gone
Lindgren gone
possibly Shesty gone
what good return can we get from TOR which I'm guessing he'd rather not but he MIGHT consider....?
Also Marner is not good unless we can flip him for Dobson, which I doubt
thoughts...
The Crypto Guy
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No way in hell the Sens say yes to that.
2 unknowns and a 3rd liner(for now.. Will that improve, i hope but also an unknown) for a star 1st liner? Why would they say yes to that?
Fox and Miller worked together as a pair. Fox was 3rd amongst the D in PK minutes in the playoffs.
If Schneider worked into the roation, it's because Fox was in the box. Not hard to fact check this.
I don't know what the second sentence means and I don't think you do either.
Heres another nugget.
Maybe they should have used Lindgren less on the PK.
You have no idea what other teams in the league think and I guarantee that not every single team in the league shares your view.
I hope you're right though. Means we'll do better in a trade than I expect to if they trade him.
Also Laffy improving his skating in the offseason is a myth. His highest recorded speed in this league came 2 years ago. Again, not hard to fact check.
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You also seem to ignore the fact that Fox was playing on one leg this post season. All the excuses for Lindgren that you can think of but ignoring what actually existed with Fox? Yeahhh, not gonna fly here.
Because he has 2 years left vs the 4+ Lindgren will get. They're both bad, I'd rather have the bad guy who is less bad that you're not committed to for as long.
Lindgren is also so bad that he needs to be on a 3rd pair btw. Part of the reason I want him gone is that the coaching staff has shown no indication that they want to do that.
And you won't do it because you can't. If it's as clear as you think it is it shouldn't be that hard to do.
You said that he held Barkov off the score sheet.
He didn't, Barkov created more scoring chances than any other player in the series. One guy held him off the score sheet, it was Igor.
I haven't even been railing on Zibanejad as much as others have. He had a shit series after being good for the first 2 rounds but thats really as far as it goes for me. His regular season was definitely a let down and I think he would benefit from playing strictly a scoring role where he can just do offense. You're just yelling at clouds here.
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Can we trade the guy who shot 40% in the playoffs, and had the same underlying stats as his awful regular season?
I think you could make it work for 24/25 but Lindgren would def be gone and you'd have to dumpster dive a bit for the bottom pair of D (guys coming in around $1.3m each). And that's with no other trades.
The next year would be a potential issue, especially with a Laf raise, but Goodrow should be 'easily' movable by then, the cap should go up again, and it's possibly time that they move on from some of Panarin, Mika, Shesty so it could be opening move of a roster re-tool.
I probably wouldn't do it but I'd say it's actually a feasible option
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Not yelling at all - funny that’s how you see my post. Perhaps I should have responded to @Machinehead than you re Zibanejad.
The Crypto Guy
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No offense, but c'on, this is absolutely ridiculous and will make people wonder if you even watched him this season.
His skating was NOTICABLE better, with the puck, without the puck, in the corners, through the neutral zone etc, and was one of the big reasons why he had a breakout season.
You can't be serious to gauge skating based solely on whatever top speed he achieved for half a second.
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Fox and Miller worked together as a pair. Fox was 3rd amongst the D in PK minutes in the playoffs.
***Fox and Miller hardly played together in the playoffs. Fox was third in pk time, and Lindgren has over a minute more per game of pk time. It's factually not true to say Lindgren is stapled to fox all the time as you have, Lindgren is literally out there on then pk without him, your own stats back that up.
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If Schneider worked into the roation, it's because Fox was in the box. Not hard to fact check this.
**** Jesus, it was more like when trouba was in...
I don't know what the second sentence means and I don't think you do either.
**** Who cares anymore
Heres another nugget.
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Maybe they should have used Lindgren less on the PK.
****Or putting Lindgren with trouba just doesn't work well? Forcing time to play trouba in part to justify his salary did no one any favors with the team in the playoffs
You have no idea what other teams in the league think and I guarantee that not every single team in the league shares your view.
***** You're right, he's going to be in the echl while other teams start dipping into European tier 2 for top 4 d men
I hope you're right though. Means we'll do better in a trade than I expect to if they trade him.
**** What does better mean though? Whatever assets you get for him you're literally just going to add more assets to it all to try to get someone better if we can find one. Again, I don't have an issue trading or improving on him but who is your realistic target to get and what are you reading for that player? Who's trading away a top pair d man right now????
Also Laffy improving his skating in the offseason is a myth. His highest recorded speed in this league came 2 years ago. Again, not hard to fact check.
**** If you equate improved or good skating to speed then you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot so please don't pretend to be one. Anyone can look at laffy this year and see improved acceleration, agility, balance, and stamina in his skating. Virtually everyone in and around the org has acknowledged it including the player and teammates. Stop trying to create arguments just to be difficult.
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You also seem to ignore the fact that Fox was playing on one leg this post season. All the excuses for Lindgren that you can think of but ignoring what actually existed with Fox? Yeahhh, not gonna fly here.
**** I'm not ignoring it at all, infact I brought it up days ago in this exchange bc his lack of mobility was an issue with who and how picks were retrieved by the pair on dump ins. My comments about fox are primarily about him in general. You get so defensive about him when all I'm saying is that he is great but there is another level in him if he can commit to some physical improvements which also includes his skating. The thought of him taking another big step as a player is rather incredible and it's there for him if he can get the work in. I don't understand why you get offended by that
Because he has 2 years left vs the 4+ Lindgren will get. They're both bad, I'd rather have the bad guy who is less bad that you're not committed to for as long.
**** Who says you have to sign Lindgren to 4+ years? Especially if he's as shitty as you make him out to be, he should be happy to just get a one year deal at this point
Lindgren is also so bad that he needs to be on a 3rd pair btw. Part of the reason I want him gone is that the coaching staff has shown no indication that they want to do that.
**** Take it up with the coaches. I have no issue if he's on the 3rd pair and slot up when needed due to injuries.
And you won't do it because you can't. If it's as clear as you think it is it shouldn't be that hard to do.
*** You're smart enough to figure out you're wrong. I really don't need to list the 30 do it? I mean you're telling me there werenski, doughty, Reilly, Hamilton, Hedman, dahling, seider, Dobson, Carlson ect are all playing with stud partners? I didn't even look it up but those are some rather easy ones off the top of my head.
Stop being so over dramatic . They were again 6 wins away from a cup . You tinker not blow it up
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If Ottawa decides they want 50 cents on the dollar for Tkachuk who would the Rangers be to stop them?
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Didn't read the post but basically stared a good minute straight at Laf's mugshots two years apart. There's chest hair, skin is more tinted, pupils more dilated. Eyebrows widened. Just seeing the chad evolution take shape.
Machinehead
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I just don't know what team some of you watch.
Assuming that top speed would be the only indicator of whether skating has improved seems somewhat limited and not so much a 'fact'. It's entirely possible that he could have improved his acceleration, agility and lateral mobility while never reaching a higher speed in a game...
It wasn't better, he just moved his feet more.
Now whether or not he was able to carry his legs further into games is a different story and honestly I don't know the answer to that. He's no faster than he ever was, it was clearly mental for him.
We should be happy that he got over that hurdle but theres no need to attribute it to anything that doesn't exist. We've seen flashes of everything that he did this year in the previous 3, he just did them more consistently. Confidence is an incredible thing.
No one said Fox was stapled to Lindgren all the time so just stop it. The point was that Lindgren drags Fox down 5v5 and was stapled to him there most of the time and when they were split up the results went wildily in opposite directions as they always have. We know they barely play together on the PK. You said that Fox wasn't really in the PK rotation which was false.
Lindgren and Trouba are a bad combo, I'm with you there. I don't think its fair to just point the finger at Trouba though. They're both bad. I have no love for Trouba either.
See above for thoughts on Laf. Not here for this myth.
I hope they don't sign Lindgren at all but he's not going to sign a 1 year deal. He's taken a beating and got popped (and I mean really popped) 10 times this year. This is his best and probably only chance to cash in and secure himself a decent bag so that he can live comfortably for the rest of his life. You know what the going rate is for guys like him, it's going to be 4 or more.
I wouldn't consider all of those guys top 30 defenders but yeah, all of them have better partners than Lindgren with the exception of again, maybe Dahlin and I'll admit I overlooked Seider as well. Chairot is basically a bigger Lindgren.
Do you see a trend amongst those teams though? They're all non playoff teams or wild card teams with the exception of Tampa (Who were basically a WC level team with an amazing PP) who went out and reacquired McDonagh because they know they don't have the juice back there (it's just pissing into the wind at this point for them but what else can they really do?)
It's almost like shitty defensive depth and having too many guys play above their heads isn't a winning formula. Whats worse is Fox is better than all of those guys you mentioned and we've saddled him with a player who is worse than most of those guys are paired with (Fehravarey for instance, is demonstrably better than Lindgren. Thats a guy I'd love to play with Fox) for sure and is debatable for a few others. Thanks for finally taking me up on this though.
Anyway its probably best that we leave this here. It's clear that we don't agree and I'm honestly tired of discussing this any further.
Fair, but I don't think any of those really improved for him either.
We've seen him dance around people and carry the puck up ice before this year, just not at the frequency that it happened.
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I thought his first few steps were greatly improved this year, and that's what seemed to make a lot of the difference. He wasn't 'wallowing' like he was in previous seasons
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People on this board say Troubas deal is untradable. I don't know who if anyone wins the trade but its interesting. Two guys whose fanbases say cant be traded. For the record I think both can be traded.
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