Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[17futurecap]

The most impressive thing here is how bad Lindgren has been in the 37 minutes without Fox.

Let Fox cook with literally anyone else next season, I could deal with Trouba back on the third pair as bad as he is if they don't want to totally break up the defense.

 

[bl02]

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The most impressive thing here is how bad Lindgren has been in the 37 minutes without Fox.

Let Fox cook with literally anyone else next season, I could deal with Trouba back on the third pair as bad as he is if they don't want to totally break up the defense.

No please. Any coach is gonna bump him up in the lineup and give him way too much ice time. The guy can not keep up.
Does he really bring that much leadership to cover up all his horrible play?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Kakko will most likely be playing his last game with the Rangers this weekend. I'm fine with it. Even if he somehow becomes Nichuksin light minus the issues, it won't happen here. Get some second rounders who can skate after consulting with Dan Muse.

Toffoli on a cheap deal anyone? Quick can give him a call.

 

[17futurecap]

No please. Any coach is gonna bump him up in the lineup and give him way too much ice time. The guy can not keep up.
Does he really bring that much leadership to cover up all his horrible play?

I just don't think he's getting rid of both. I'm honestly not sure he even gets rid of one of them.

 

[bl02]

Kakko will most likely be playing his last game with the Rangers this weekend. I'm fine with it. Even if he somehow becomes Nichuksin light minus the issues, it won't happen here. Get some second rounders who can skate after consulting with Dan Muse.

Toffoli on a cheap deal anyone? Quick can give him a call.

Not so sure he's gonna be cheap. I am sure there are gonna be a few teams out there that are gonna overpay for him

 

[DanielBrassard]

Too many holes in too many areas of the roster. 1st line center and RW, 1st pairing LD, potentially 2nd pairing RD. No roster will be perfect so it would be difficult to fill all those. Zibanejad and Trouba are probably the two biggest problems on the roster, with Lindgren not too far behind.

 

[JimmyG89]

Lindgren gone
Kakko gone

That is the bare minimum of what I want to see this summer.

You aren't going anywhere when you stifle your #1D and the youth coming on wing.

Sell high on Goodrow. There will be teams interested, especially teams on the outside dying to get in (ie Buffalo).

I'd honestly buyout Trouba. I want no salary in return, just take on the dead money. Find a bargain 3RD. Just sign Ruhwedel for dirt and let him PK and add "grit".

Panarin can take a hike too. 120 points in the regular season and doesn't show up when it matters. If Florida can trade Huberdeau after a 100 point season, there is no reason you cannot trade Panarin.

Build around your D core of Fox, Miller, and Schneider. Lafreniere is your top gun moving forward. And for God's sake play Zac Jones please.

Drury better not look at this and just tweak the roster. We're in the exact same spot 2 year later with a new coach. It's the players.

Promote from within. Berard and Othmann should be able to crack this roster. I'd play both over Roslovic and Kakko for G6. It's not like they're adding anything anyway.

Tell Edstrom that the 4C spot is for the taking and give him every opportunity to grab it. His size and skating can cause issues. Same for Rempe, at least he gives a f*** when he is out there.

This team hasn't shaken the core since the letter was sent out. It's past due to make the changes needed to be a postseason team.

 

[mrmovies779]

Need a partner for Fox,need puck moving defensemen, need to unload Trouba and his contract,need to find a good trade for kk,need to fill the bottom 6 with quality players.Drury has his work cut out for him

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I'd be curious in Ardvidson and Beavillier as middle six reclamation projects and to protect Othmann and Berard so they don't have to play top minutes right away. Edstrom can start on the fourth line.

Rooberak/Chlemar/BMB/Valsanen and a returning Sykora get plenty of minutes in Hartford.

 

[jay from jersey]

if they are planning on Edstrom 4C and Rempe/Vesey rotation, Goodrow might be staying….

Rempe/Edstrom will be full rookie seasons.
Cuylle 2nd year, Berard or Othmann full rookie seasons.

That’s a bunch of young/green kids in your bottom 6….

Yes Goodrow makes too much, but alternatively, if you trade him and try to sell high, they likely sign a replacement Veteran for around 2 mill per on shorter term.

Goodie wears an A and is an important leader. He also has been a pretty solid playoff contributor for us. It’s a tough call.

Trading Panarin and/or Zibby isn’t really going to be an option sadly.
Both contracts are massively player to friendly with them in the drivers seat. Don’t see either of them waiving their NMC clauses while team remains a cup contender.

Either way, we probably have to go 1 step back next season in order to go 2 steps forward in 2 years…
In that time period, you’re adding a
a high end talent on an ELC in Perrault,
And you have the
Panarin and Troubas cap hit off the books to add a real impact player. Obvious some money will be needed to go elsewhere for raises internally, but with cap rising it should be a giant issue.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I always felt the NYR try to balance the suckage of certain players, by playing them with better players.

Lindgren is a warrior but more a 4-6 range dman, he shouldn't be playing with Fox that much.

Unfortunately we're thin on D and it's been our weakness for over 15 seasons now.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

This team isn't good enough to win a Cup with the roster as presently constituted. They need more than a tweak or 2. Major changes are needed if they are get to the next level. They overachieved in the regular season; the real season starts, and they stay what they have always been. Need to step it up.

 

[CLW]

Kakko will most likely be playing his last game with the Rangers this weekend. I'm fine with it. Even if he somehow becomes Nichuksin light minus the issues, it won't happen here. Get some second rounders who can skate after consulting with Dan Muse.

Toffoli on a cheap deal anyone? Quick can give him a call.

Toffoli can skate?

 

[RangerBoy]

Can Drury get a 1st for Kakko? Dach brought back a 1st. Flip that pick or the Rangers pick for an established NHL player. Move on.

Panarin disappeared again. You are not scoring goals in the playoffs from the perimeter.

Gustafsson sucks.

Roslovic sucks.

Trouba sucks.

 

[Atax]

Can Drury get a 1st for Kakko? Dach brought back a 1st. Flip that pick or the Rangers pick for an established NHL player. Move on.

Panarin disappeared again. You are not scoring goals in the playoffs from the perimeter.

Gustafsson sucks.

Roslovic sucks.

Trouba sucks.

Maybe a first in 2045

 

[Daves a mess]

Anyone expecting to see Bread, Zib , Trouba not in a Ranger Uniform at camp break in late Sept is smoking pesto.

RW is is vomit inducing, so even moving Kaako for picks is tricky. Wheeler is a 4th liner now on his best day. Roslivic? Yeah, no.

Hopefully Othmanns full season in Hartford has taught him to play acceptebly without the puck.

Going to be interesting to see what Drury does here.

If Zac Jones played in this series we would have been watching his funeral on MSG.

We still have one game to lose. Not over yet.

Rempe in game 6? Brian Boyle amd Molly wanted him dressed in game 5. Messier too.

After Sat ( most likely) I don't think there is a Ranger fan ( who is paying attention) that thinks the Rangers can win a cup with Zib as their # 1 center. He has Secretariat skills with the heart of Bambi.

Bennett wanted the puck and gave Zib a shiver to get it. Would that have EVER happened in reverse?

 

[bernmeister]

Just a few mins for now....

I'm pissed yet AGAIN R mgmt or coach again not listening to bern, and like it or not, we see the results. Yeah, my detractors wanna assail me/my ego, when it is not a matter of braggadocio, but rather having the balls to tell it like it is, whether it is popular or not.

This time 'round, Drury not as much at fault. He did not jettison yet another high pick for a vet. We did get Wenn b'c we were forced due to depth issues -> caused by injury; howev, if we developed Rempe, etc faster instead of Bonino, then
a) Remp here earlier
b) he would be playing mo mins now [which he should be doing anyway]
I mitigate this slightly b'c Edstrom has been injured.
Is he available now? IF YES PLAY HIM.

Good, I was ok w/trade [add lesser asset, get better asset], no buyout. Remember this guy was out 3+ wks w/fractured jaw.
Can go either way here depending on what makes most sense.

The Ds are thin, overworked despite being in shape, and that is mostly on the Fs = too much time in our own zone/not enuf shots.
This prob exacerbated the longer the series goes on, which is not helped by our handing Panths home ice adv. We are snatching defeat from jaws of victory.

ONE LAST TIME, NO MORE TIME TO EFF AROUND, LISTEN TO BERN

Cats imo not much if any better shape/or better effort. But they are clearly TOUGHER across the board.
I have said before, but many here do not listen to me: established sport adage: usually the good big man beats the good little man.
Drury has recognized this and we are taking steps to improve here going forward, but as to this cup run, it is CRITICAL that Rempe def and if possible Edstrom play MAX mins

Also, yes to Chytil but chem is real and it is not instant betw him + wonder twins. That also pisses away using him as a pivot.

So, assuming no Edstrom,
Kreider - Good/Zib - Good/Zib
stop w/mindless bs about Zib can't be a W, go w/what works best that exact situation

bread - tro - LaF
Cuylle - Chytil - KK

presuming Wheeler = not much left in the tank, Vesey injured
Brodz - Rempe - Trouba
desperate times call for desp measures
Ros = speed only, otherwise useless
Wenn = waste
Troub would be better off bone crushing W w/less skating responsibilities

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It would be nice if we had developed robertson, like I begged, but
NNnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
played mo mins Gus and Jones
how's that lookin now?

We are forced to
KAM - Fox
Scanlin - Schneid
Lind - Gust

We must go Shesty next 2 games, but man is only human, if we can go 1-2 gs lead early, need to get him a period vay cay, rest will help as cumulative tiredness is legit concern


will I be heeded?

to be cont.

lgr

 

[bernmeister]

if they are planning on Edstrom 4C and Rempe/Vesey rotation, Goodrow might be staying….

Rempe/Edstrom will be full rookie seasons.
Cuylle 2nd year, Berard or Othmann full rookie seasons.

That’s a bunch of young/green kids in your bottom 6….

Yes Goodrow makes too much, but alternatively, if you trade him and try to sell high, they likely sign a replacement Veteran for around 2 mill per on shorter term.

Goodie wears an A and is an important leader. He also has been a pretty solid playoff contributor for us. It’s a tough call.

Trading Panarin and/or Zibby isn’t really going to be an option sadly.
Both contracts are massively player to friendly with them in the drivers seat. Don’t see either of them waiving their NMC clauses while team remains a cup contender.

Either way, we probably have to go 1 step back next season in order to go 2 steps forward in 2 years…
In that time period, you’re adding a
a high end talent on an ELC in Perrault,
And you have the
Panarin and Troubas cap hit off the books to add a real impact player. Obvious some money will be needed to go elsewhere for raises internally, but with cap rising it should be a giant issue.

Zib I agree has too much term, not likely to consider waive

Panarin -- this obsession some here have he is a sacred cow and must be extended without admission of how we need to lower, not increase cap hits, is crazy.

He will not get even an offer of anything close to 11.6+m
That creates an ugly look all want to avoid.
Min places he considers which are a fit, but
FL is esp if their top scorer exits via ufa.

We want cap relief/flexibility
presume they want to send a big # back [tho if not, fine]
Ekblad 7.5 expires next yr + Mikkola 2.5 x 2
this works = immediate cap relief
if Ekblad does not want to stay/wants a long term deal, etc, and returns to FL after next year...
FINE

 

[cheech70]

Gotta decide on Igor by 1/2025. He is a basket case and to wait for the end of next season is a recipe for disaster.
Is Brady....... Matts brother.......... the player to target so we become playoff ready?

 

[Kendo]

yes and no

yes - no looking over yer shoulder

no - Kreid + Zib is not correct, atm no chem w/KK
1st option, we see there is chem
Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko

2nd option if no Chy -- see who is available, also, Edstrom

I just don't see the "chemistry." Two good, young players that are around "3rd line" ability, so they certainly "fit together." But there is no mystical chemistry or synergy there that would be a reason to NOT split them up. By harping on it, you're leaving roster flexibility on the table.

I want to see Edstrom play 40 games next season. He just might be in over his head in a 3rd line role.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm less in a rush of running Lindgren out of town as I am ready to move on from Trouba. The cap savings could go to filling multiple holes and extend depth on this roster. Trouba and Kakko out, ideally if they can find a taker for Goodrow he should be gone as well. There's a pretty clear path to improving this roster with those moves. The cap space created should allow for an upgrade on defense and at least 2-3 good forwards who can fit the mold of what is needed

 

[MrAlmost]

I'd trade Kakko, Chytil and Lindgren. I'd get Cirelli from Tampa. They might be trading him and he is a good 5v5 player and basically another Trocheck. Get as many trocheck types as possible. Since Z isn't going anywhere, that will give you a top 3 of Tro, Z and Cirelli. Good.

From there, you gotta get a top LD. I don't like Theodore only cause it's a bandaid for 1 year. I don't like Chychrun cause he is a paper tiger. Between the 2 though I would go for Theodore. He is the better player. But who knows if Vegas trades him/has to trade him/finds some other sorcery to keep the roster together.

Let the young players fill out the roster. Young legs with energy, fire and drive. They have something to prove and that's the attitude you want around. I think Berard and Othmann can be on this roster next season.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd trade Kakko, Chytil and Lindgren. I'd get Cirelli from Tampa. They might be trading him and he is a good 5v5 player and basically another Trocheck. Get as many trocheck types as possible. Since Z isn't going anywhere, that will give you a top 3 of Tro, Z and Cirelli. Good.

From there, you gotta get a top LD. I don't like Theodore only cause it's a bandaid for 1 year. I don't like Chychrun cause he is a paper tiger. Between the 2 though I would go for Theodore. He is the better player. But who knows if Vegas trades him/has to trade him/finds some other sorcery to keep the roster together.

Let the young players fill out the roster. Young legs with energy, fire and drive. They have something to prove and that's the attitude you want around. I think Berard and Othmann can be on this roster next season.

The fact that Trochek and Lafreniere are 'unique' in this lineup is the problem. There are guys who are available in UFA who play a similar, albeit less skilled game. What makes them so effective is that they are dangerous 1v1. That pressures not only the player who is guarding them but the entire defense as a single move can create an opening that they have to support.

Drury should be looking for guys who can do similar things as well as who take it personally to win 1v1 battles regularly. Marchessault and Perron are UFA's. Both of those guys have that same attitude. Guys like Duhaime play a very physical game. This roster can be improved with cap space

 

[MrAlmost]

The fact that Trochek and Lafreniere are 'unique' in this lineup is the problem. There are guys who are available in UFA who play a similar, albeit less skilled game. What makes them so effective is that they are dangerous 1v1. That pressures not only the player who is guarding them but the entire defense as a single move can create an opening that they have to support.

Drury should be looking for guys who can do similar things as well as who take it personally to win 1v1 battles regularly. Marchessault and Perron are UFA's. Both of those guys have that same attitude. Guys like Duhaime play a very physical game. This roster can be improved with cap space

I like those guys. No so much Perron. I like Stephenson too. And Zadorov, but he seems to always have "issues" following him. Guentzal, Bertuzzi. But they are all older. I'd rather trade the players that are in limbo/not a part of the solution to get someone younger in Cirelli. Not that I don't like Chytil or Lindgren. I just think there is better to be had out there.

I don't like Kakko.

 

[NYR Viper]

I like those guys. I like Stephenson too. But they are all older. I'd rather trade the players that are in limbo/not a part of the solution to get someone younger in Cirelli. Not that I don't like Chytil or Lindgren. I just think there is better to be had out there.

I don't like Kakko.

I think there needs to be a bridge created a bit. Signing a couple of older guys to 1-2-3 year deals while some of the younger players develop isn't a bad idea. It also creates opportunity in the upcoming offseasons to make a move should a higher end player become available.