Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[haohmaru]

Some of the takes around here for a team that's 2-2 in the ECF are absolutely astounding.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jim Cerny with Jeremy Shaap:

 

[Mac n Gs]

Or they can remove the picks and just do @Mac n Gs idea of Kakko for Tomasino.

I don't know why he's gotten the shaft there (and there probably is some reason) but he's a similar player of a similar age in a similar situation.

I still don’t want to trade Kakko because he’ll likely be cheap and deserves another look with Lav after a fully healthy year. I can see him quietly asking to be moved, so something around that sort of deal would work for me with maybe another pick like a 3rd from NSH

 

[haohmaru]

I still don’t want to trade Kakko because he’ll likely be cheap and deserves another look with Lav after a fully healthy year. I can see him quietly asking to be moved, so something around that sort of deal would work for me with maybe another pick like a 3rd from NSH

If I'm the NYR, I tell Kakko that next year you're playing with CK and MZ all year and you don't have to look over your shoulder after every game. Too young to give up on - especially for the scraps you're going to get for him now.

 

[Machinehead]

Trouba for Lauzon + 2nd '24 + 2nd '25 + 3rd '25
Lindgren for Utah 2nd '24 + NYR 2nd '25 + 3rd '25
Kakko for Byram

Signings:
Roy - 5 years
Perron - 1 year
Barabanov - 1 year
Duhaime - 3 years

I'd probably sign another depth d-man and keep 8 on the roster depending on who is left out as a UFA. Maybe Oliver Kylington or Colin Miller and I'd also re-sign Ruewehdl and put him in Hartford as depth so they have about $2m in cap space to start the season wit Berard, Othmann and Rempe in Hartford to start unless they out-perform some of the depth additions I have here

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I like this team better than the last one.

 

[Synergy27]

I think it’s pretty obvious that Kakko is going to be part of whatever splash Dolan decides to make at the draft.

Hopefully that splash happens as Cup winners.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Matt Roy would be a fine Trouba Replacement.

The fact that he's US born gives me some confidence that the team will at least take a look at him.

 

[kovazub94]

I also don’t want scraps for Kakko - removing disappointment as a former 2OA - his contribution relative to cap is ok, but I won’t be surprised if Drury says enough is enough. However, I do see a better return than what’s been thrown around here.

 

[kovazub94]

If they don’t move Lindgren and/or Trouba then they aren’t interested in fixing the defense.

At least one of them needs to be gone. We know who the easier move is and he’s the more glaring issue. Good news? Someone will splooge all over themselves to add someone with his reputation.

I actually don’t know how you assess easier to move and more glaring issue. Trouba is a more glaring issue IMO but he comes with $8m price tag and limited NTC restrictions while Lindgren’s still under RFA control and has a cheaper price tag. That aside, I think it makes sense that Teouab is moved from
various scenarios: as an issue by himself or looking to improve on Lindgren that would require higher $$ commitment - which would come from moving Trouba’s $8m and replacing with a cheaper contract who could be a 2/3 pair twinner on the right side with Fox and Schneider.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I actually don’t know how you assess easier to move and more glaring issue. Trouba is a more glaring issue IMO but he comes with $8m price tag and limited NTC restrictions while Lindgren’s still under RFA control and has a cheaper price tag. That aside, I think it makes sense that Teouab is moved from
various scenarios: as an issue by himself or looking to improve on Lindgren that would require higher $$ commitment - which would come from moving Trouba’s $8m and replacing with a cheaper contract who could be a 2/3 pair twinner on the right side with Fox and Schneider.

A higher dollar commitment isn't a big issue if you're getting a player worthy of those dollars.

He's the bigger issue for 2 reasons.

1. He drags down Fox.
2. Unless you're getting him on his QO (which he would be nuts to accept, this is probably going to be his only shot at a long term deal) you're going to be dealing with multiple years of him at not very modest money. With Trouba at worse you need to bury him on the 3rd pair for 2 more years.

They'll have space or other avenues to open up space. They just can't be afraid of sliding an ELC player or 2 into the mix. Even if they manage to move Trouba (and it's unlikely that they will be with out salary coming back his way) there really isn't an argument for keeping Lindgren. I'd be more open to using him as a 3rd pair guy if I didn't think that he was going to be making 4.5-5 on his next deal over 4-5 years.

 

[bernmeister]

If I'm the NYR, I tell Kakko that next year you're playing with CK and MZ all year and you don't have to look over your shoulder after every game. Too young to give up on - especially for the scraps you're going to get for him now.

yes and no

yes - no looking over yer shoulder

no - Kreid + Zib is not correct, atm no chem w/KK
1st option, we see there is chem
Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko

2nd option if no Chy -- see who is available, also, Edstrom

 

[NYR Viper]

Matt Roy would be a fine Trouba Replacement.

The fact that he's US born gives me some confidence that the team will at least take a look at him.

He’s not a marquee name by any means but he’s just a solid overall d-man.

 

[jay from jersey]

Zib is a competent 2C, a very good one actually. The 1C argument is over.

We have to find someone willing to take on Trouba.

Yeah Florida dominated the last 40 minutes again, but these two guys lost us the game on individual plays. Zibanejad with the ultra high risk / very low reward pass to Wheeler instead of the obvious dump in or pass to Kreider (Cuylle)* cutting to the net.

Trouba full-sending to Tkachuk on a f***ing PK instead of maintainng the integrity of the box; FLA immediately exploits it.

We need a true 1C who who doesn't get outmatched by real ones e.g. Crosby, Barkov come playoffs.

And we have to shed the anker that is Jacob Trouba.

You don’t really get a chance to add them unless you get lucky and 1 falls to you in draft ( ex Wyatt Johnston) or a top 5 pick like Barkov…

That’s why swinging and missing on Eichel was a very very bad decision, especially considering his contract and age align pretty perfectly with our lower/2nd core and he’s already proven good enough to play with the 1st group at a young age.
When you have a chance to add a guy like that you do it.
1 of mcdavid/Drai going to leave Edmonton. Most likely Drai… adding him/replacing him with Panarin in line up with just UFA dollars is the best possible option for this team.

I would love another Trochek, or an Aho, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Trouba and Panarin will be gone in 2 years time or sooner in Troubas case imo… free agency is going to be absolutely key in adding a top end talent without giving up a ton from the farm.

That’s the absolute best case scenario for this team going forward with what they already have in place.
A legit stud C may want a trade from somewhere., but it will cost a lot.

Otherwise, you look to add like a Norris/pinto/Zibby player that will likely not live up to the $$ he’ll be paid….
The most exciting part of this team is how the pay/salary should be executed…..
Pay your horses high dollars, and the rest accordingly.
When Trouba/Panarin gone. Zibby is the only real “bad” contract on the team. And when he’s hot he’s still a PPG 35-40 goal center.
That’s not a whole lot of waste on our roster.

Another issue is going to be kreids/zibby.
Will Lavi or next coach have the balls to split them up. At least for long stretches to get the most out of each of them?

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers this year appeared to be in a bit of a transition IMO. They have some skilled players but also appeared to be growing a bit of an identity of being harder to play against and more physical in general. I foresee, and really hope, Drury continues building that way this offseason.

I think it’s time to cut bait with Kakko. Find a player who fits the teams long term goals as a role player at another position.

It’s time for Trouba to move on. They really need to better allocate those cap dollars and improve on defense in general.

There are more than a few wingers available in UFA who could really help augment this team overall at various roles. From a guy like Bertuzzi who is a top-6 PIA player, to someone like Duhaime on the 4th line. They really need to find guys who can make life more difficult for the other team all over the ice. Perron is another one. Likely, they can find a good replacement for Kakko at the same or lower cap hit who may be more effective in their role.

On the back-end, Roy is the guy. US born RD who plays a good all-around game and can move the puck effectively.

If Minnesota would consider a Middleton for Lindgren deal, I’d be all over that. Middleton has 1 year until UFA but he plays big boy hockey. Sign him to an extension.

Finally, Edstrom and Jones need to play. It’s time.

 

[Rangerboy030]

Take 2. Core deals being Lindgren-Theodore, Kakko-Rossi, and Trouba-Lauzon based.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

The way I see it, is next year you kinda have to run it back with the exception of having jones replace gustafsson, edstrom join the 4th line and chytil back. The question is how does drury handle kakko? A 1 year QO and have him prove it but then hes only 1 year from UFA in July 2025? Asset mgmt with kakko is tough. Lets assume he gets a 1 year QO prove it deal

The pre-TDL lineup should be something like this.

Kreider-Mika-Vesey
Panarin-Trocheck-Laff
Cuylle-Chyil-Kakko
Edstrom-Goodrow-Rempe
Brodz

Lindy-Fox (what is reasonable to give lindy though?)
Kandre-Schneider
Jones-Trouba
Robertson

Igor
Quick

Then if that group doesnt get it done in 2024-2025 season you blow it up and reset.

Lets say they get bounced next playoffs. IMO you trade trouba, kreider, kakko and goodrow and you put the full court press on draisaitl and rantennen two known playoffs performers. And if you can land them you go into 2025-2026 with

Laff-Draisaitl-Perreault
Panarin-Trocheck-Rantennen
Cuylle-Mika-Chytil
Othmann-Rempe-Edstrom
13th vet at league min

Lindgren-Fox
Kandre-Schneider
Jones-bottom pair RD
7th D at league min

Igor
Backup

And yes, this is cap compliant

 

[17futurecap]

Lindgren and Trouba need to be gone.

Do whatever you think is best with Miller, at some point he is what he is.

Pick mobile skating dmen with every first round pick in the next 3 years.

It's over for Kakko.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Lindgren and Trouba need to be gone.

Do whatever you think is best with Miller, at some point he is what he is.

Pick mobile skating dmen with every first round pick in the next 3 years.

It's over for Kakko.

I just think due to contract structures and the build of the team paired with upcoming ufa classes, this group is running it back for one more year regardless of how this season ends

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just think due to contract structures and the build of the team paired with upcoming ufa classes, this group is running it back for one more year regardless of how this season ends

Its a waste of a year.

At the very least they need to try to solve at least HALF of the Trouba/Lindgren issue. We know which one is easier to move - its the guy who doesn't have a contract for next year.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Its a waste of a year.

At the very least they need to try to solve at least HALF of the Trouba/Lindgren issue. We know which one is easier to move - its the guy who doesn't have a contract for next year.

Hes not the worst though. If we can get him to sign for $3mm or under I think thats a win. Trouba we’ll be able to get rid of this offseason or next. I just think next offseason is more realistic as we load up for runs at rantenen and draisaitl

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hes not the worst though. If we can get him to sign for $3mm or under I think thats a win. Trouba we’ll be able to get rid of this offseason or next. I just think next offseason is more realistic as we load up for runs at rantenen and draisaitl

I think he is the worst of our D but he also drags down Fox which is the big issue. Playing him with Fox was a problem even when he wasn't as bad.

He isn't signing for 3 mill or under. Thats what he's making right now. He'd be stupid not to take a long term deal at 4.5-5 million which he'll probably get from someone (hopefully not here), with the way he plays this is going to be the only really significant contract he's going to sign in his career.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I think he is the worst of our D but he also drags down Fox which is the big issue. Playing him with Fox was a problem even when he wasn't as bad.

He isn't signing for 3 mill or under. Thats what he's making right now. He'd be stupid not to take a long term deal at 4.5-5 million which he'll probably get from someone (hopefully not here), with the way he plays this is going to be the only really significant contract he's going to sign in his career.

Whos the last dman to get $5mm+/yr who had a career high of 18 points?

 

[JohnC]

Lindgren surely wasn’t projected as a potential top pairing player when he was drafted and he wasn’t projected to be one by the time we traded for him in the Nash deal. It’s beyond me how and why the organization shoehorned him in that role other than him being Fox’s D partner growing up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Whos the last dman to get $5mm+/yr who had a career high of 18 points?

He's not getting 5+ but we live in a world where Erik Gudbransson signed for 4 a year (and he had never broken 20 points until this year) and Mattias Samuelsson was signed for 7 years and 4+ and he's never broken 10.

Lindgren makes 3 now. Hes not signing for the same or less than he's making. His QO is going to be around 3.6 and thats an overpayment.


Money is only part of the issue here. The bigger issue is that as long as he's here, he's going to be strapped next to Fox.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He's not getting 5+ but we live in a world where Erik Gudbransson signed for 4 a year (and he had never broken 20 points until this year) and Mattias Samuelsson was signed for 7 years and 4+ and he's never broken 10.

Lindgren makes 3 now. Hes not signing for the same or less than he's making. His QO is going to be around 3.6 and thats an overpayment.


Money is only part of the issue here. The bigger issue is that as long as he's here, he's going to be strapped next to Fox.

Teams overpay for size sometimes. Lindy doesnt have that. Whos paying $4mm+ for 5’11 190?