Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part X — Active Roster in OP (09/28)

[Inferno]

Lindquist has been crap. Really really crappy. He's been Ryan gropp bad. Honestly he seems more like an echler than an ahler.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Avery16]

BS

Andersson, Fogarty, Hajek, Lindgren demoted

 

[Avery16]

*was off by ONE

 

[Avery16]

Crawley joins injured list

 

[Gardner McKay]

Let's table the shattenkirk talk until Karlsson signs. No one is giving up assets while also killing their cap with EK still a potential target next summer. Maybe even hold off until he plays on a healthy knee. Let's be crazy this season.

On the flip side, Shattenkirk's price goes up once EK is signed. A team may want to see if they can get him cheaper right now and lock up their D, rather than gamble on Karlsson.

 

[Edge]

On the flip side, Shattenkirk's price goes up once EK is signed. A team may want to see if they can get him cheaper right now and lock up their D, rather than gamble on Karlsson.

If I were the Rangers, those are included in the reasons I wait on any trade involving Shattenkirk.

For starters, I don't think turning over the right side to Pionk and ADA is the way to go at this point.

I also don't know why anyone would want to sell low on Shattenkirk at this point.

Third, I think a healthy Shattenkirk will raise his value this season.

Fourth, any EK contract is going to impact the market.

Whether this team's efforts to reinvent itself are a success or a failure, it's going to take time. Anyone who wants a quick answer, or things they already know the answer is not going to be happy.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If I were the Rangers, those are included in the reasons I wait on any trade involving Shattenkirk.

For starters, I don't think turning over the right side to Pionk and ADA is the way to go at this point.

I also don't know why anyone would want to sell low on Shattenkirk at this point.

Third, I think a healthy Shattenkirk will raise his value this season.

Fourth, any EK contract is going to impact the market.

Whether this team's efforts to reinvent itself are a success or a failure, it's going to take time. Anyone who wants a quick answer, or things they already know the answer is not going to be happy.

Oh I agree. I just was saying I disagree with the notion that a team would not try to acquire Shattenkirk because EK may be in play.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Levitate]

If I were the Rangers, those are included in the reasons I wait on any trade involving Shattenkirk.

For starters, I don't think turning over the right side to Pionk and ADA is the way to go at this point.

I also don't know why anyone would want to sell low on Shattenkirk at this point.

Third, I think a healthy Shattenkirk will raise his value this season.

Fourth, any EK contract is going to impact the market.

Whether this team's efforts to reinvent itself are a success or a failure, it's going to take time. Anyone who wants a quick answer, or things they already know the answer is not going to be happy.

I think some people here are also wanting the rangers to move too fast on the rebuild...not in a "get back to competing" way, but in a "literally sell off every player and stock all the draft picks NOW" kind of way.

There's plenty of time to trade Shattenkirk if necessary, no need to rush it. The Rangers didn't need to dump a RFA Hayes last summer either. No need to drop Spooner and Namestnikov for nothing just in the hopes of grabbing some more draft picks for this year.

 

[FJB]

How does McLeod still make it? AV is gone. Does upper management still want that useless toffness?

 

[E-Train]

How does McLeod still make it? AV is gone. Does upper management still want that useless toffness?

Better he sits every night than anyone sent to Hartford.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't even really think the prospects who made the team are ready, so I am not in the let's rush the process thing, without Shattenkirk the Rangers are worse, I think that has some merit to it for rebuilding reasons.

I also don't think trading him right away without bringing back a RD is the best plan, although they do now have McQuaid and Smith made the roster.

It leaves me with the notion that is depends on the return, depends on what Pionk/ADA do sooner rater than later, and I have a feeling erring on the; it's better off to move him too soon rather than too late, is logical.

I do not expect them to move him, they seem to have invested in Shattenkrik to I guess be part of the vets who are going to guide this rebuild from the on ice perspective, perhaps use him to maybe make the team seem better than it is, but I do eventually think that may come back to not have been the best or most well thought out plan.

Eventually they are going to need some RD players, if they have already determined ADA not to be one of them, fine keep and play Shattenkirk, McQuaid, Pionk, and let him fall off the map, but if they think ADA can be part of the next wave, then they should be playing him. The only way that happens if is one of the three RDs he is going to be healthy scratched for is removed. If one of them can also bring back valuable picks/prospect where the others can not, is it really so illogical to question if that may be the right move?

 

[bobbop]

On the flip side, Shattenkirk's price goes up once EK is signed. A team may want to see if they can get him cheaper right now and lock up their D, rather than gamble on Karlsson.

Shattenkirk has too much contract left to be traded right now.

Eventually, but not likely this year.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I am a bit shocked that Howden made the team. I wasn't focusing on him too much cause I thought for sure he will at least start in Hartford. And while he wasn't playing bad he did not really wow me with anything yet. I hope this wasn't done just to show off the return from the McD trade. I guess I am ok with Meskanen and Andersson starting season in AHL. Andersson looked NHL ready, I think it is just a matter of getting faster and stronger.

 

[OrlandK]

I don't even really think the prospects who made the team are ready, so I am not in the let's rush the process thing, without Shattenkirk the Rangers are worse, I think that has some merit to it for rebuilding reasons.

I also don't think trading him right away without bringing back a RD is the best plan, although they do now have McQuaid and Smith made the roster.

It leaves me with the notion that is depends on the return, depends on what Pionk/ADA do sooner rater than later, and I have a feeling erring on the; it's better off to move him too soon rather than too late, is logical.

I do not expect them to move him, they seem to have invested in Shattenkrik to I guess be part of the vets who are going to guide this rebuild from the on ice perspective, perhaps use him to maybe make the team seem better than it is, but I do eventually think that may come back to not have been the best or most well thought out plan.

Eventually they are going to need some RD players, if they have already determined ADA not to be one of them, fine keep and play Shattenkirk, McQuaid, Pionk, and let him fall off the map, but if they think ADA can be part of the next wave, then they should be playing him. The only way that happens if is one of the three RDs he is going to be healthy scratched for is removed. If one of them can also bring back valuable picks/prospect where the others can not, is it really so illogical to question if that may be the right move?

The best time to move someone is when you can get something worthwhile back. Now is the worst time - every team is trying to cut down their roster and almost every team is hopeful that their prospects are going to make it. The Rangers seemingly tried to trade Spooner and Namestnikov in the off season, perhaps Hayes too, and the market was not there. Everyone will get an opportunity to play - ADA and Pionk included. The best course of action is to let the season play out, hopefully the vets will perform and increase their value, and then make trades at the trade deadline when valuations are high. Additionally there will injuries during the season that will make teams more interested in our excess players.

This freaking out that this one was sent down, this one made the roster, etc. is overdone. The season needs to play out a bit as is. The young guys playing well in Hartford will be brought up; the prospects who made the roster will be sent down if they are not playing well.

Time to drop the puck!

 

[Off Sides]

The best time to move someone is when you can get something worthwhile back. Now is the worst time - every team is trying to cut down their roster and almost every team is hopeful that their prospects are going to make it. The Rangers seemingly tried to trade Spooner and Namestnikov in the off season, perhaps Hayes too, and the market was not there. Everyone will get an opportunity to play - ADA and Pionk included. The best course of action is to let the season play out, hopefully the vets will perform and increase their value, and then make trades at the trade deadline when valuations are high. Additionally there will injuries during the season that will make teams more interested in our excess players.

This freaking out that this one was sent down, this one made the roster, etc. is overdone. The season needs to play out a bit as is. The young guys playing well in Hartford will be brought up; the prospects who made the roster will be sent down if they are not playing well.

Time to drop the puck!

If I let it play out I get called out for saying I am only saying this or that in hindsight. Currently (and long ago) I don't/did not see ADA having a NHL playing spot, and I do not expect that to change much unless there is an injury.

I do not foresee the prospects who made the team being put in a position to succeed because the team in general I do not see succeeding.

I hope I am wrong in hindsight, but I'm not sure why letting it play out has to be a prerequisite to having an opinion on what I think is going to happen.

 

[haveandare]

Surprised Howden made it. He had one really good game, much like Lias and was sort of invisible the rest of the time. I don't think it makes all that much difference as most of the guys who aren't waiver eligible yet will probably be up and down throughout the year as they get hot or cold.

Would be nice to have a good fourth line again though if Howden is going to center it. It's been a while. Also Vesey seems to do will with him which is helpful since bad Vesey is a huge anchor.

 

[Edge]

In fairness, it seemed like we can sum up 80 percent of the guys in camp by saying they had one really good game and didn't necessarily stand out the other games.

Personally, I never thought Howden looked terribly out of place. But admittedly I also wasn't expecting any of the kids to have jump off the preseason stat line page.

I mean regardless of whether Howden, Andersson and Chytil play 10 NHL games each, or more than 70, I hope most people understand that the production is probably going to be pretty modest.

I think somewhere in the back of a lot of people's minds they're imagining each of these kids popping in 15-20 goals and 30-40 points each.

 

[Ola]

If I were the Rangers, those are included in the reasons I wait on any trade involving Shattenkirk.

For starters, I don't think turning over the right side to Pionk and ADA is the way to go at this point.

I also don't know why anyone would want to sell low on Shattenkirk at this point.

Third, I think a healthy Shattenkirk will raise his value this season.

Fourth, any EK contract is going to impact the market.

Whether this team's efforts to reinvent itself are a success or a failure, it's going to take time. Anyone who wants a quick answer, or things they already know the answer is not going to be happy.

What are you doing with ADA in the mean time or is he a calculated loss?

Pionk and ADA must play and preferably play a lot. There can’t be any questions on that. There is only one way to practice playing defense in the NHL — that is to play defense in the NHL. You can’t get close to it in practice. If we have him in the stands we might as well send him to Ibiza to serve cocktails at some bar and live the good life.

I can get arguments for both ways (give up on him or invest in him). But the situation should be indisputable, Gorton is sitting next to the coffin with a nail in his left hand and a hammer raised in his right. If ADA don’t play regularly in the NHL in say 4-5 weeks and forward the nail is hammered in for good.

 

[OrlandK]

I do not foresee the prospects who made the team being put in a position to succeed because the team in general I do not see succeeding.

The team succeeding is not a prerequisite for the prospects succeeding. In fact if the team "succeeds" there theoretically would be more pressure to not play the prospects with their learning curve and inevitable blunders. The prospects will succeed if they establish themselves as regulars, play to their potential, and get to play at least 15 minutes a game regardless of how the team overall performs.

I'm looking forward to the season. With lowered expectations "success" will be playing an entertaining style and winning enough to keep the season interesting. I see another year of trade deadline vet sell offs so that we can get more good prospects, including hopefully one possible elite prospect. Then the rebuild can move closer to its conclusion.

 

[n8]

I'm fine with the roster. Howden on the 4th line makes more sense than Andersson on the 4th line. Andersson will get 20+ min a night in Hartford. As long as McLeod sits every night, whatever. If he is playing, than I have an issue.
lines probably something like:
Kreider-Zubs-Buch
Names-Chytil-Zuccarello
Vesey-Hayes-Spooner
Lettieri-Howden-Fast

 

[Edge]

What are you doing with ADA in the mean time or is he a calculated loss?

Pionk and ADA must play and preferably play a lot. There can’t be any questions on that. There is only one way to practice playing defense in the NHL — that is to play defense in the NHL. You can’t get close to it in practice. If we have him in the stands we might as well send him to Ibiza to serve cocktails at some bar and live the good life.

I can get arguments for both ways. But the situation should be indisputable, Gorton is sitting next to the coffin with a nail in his left hand and a hammer raised in his right. If ADA don’t play regularly in the NHL in say 4-5 weeks and forward the nail is hammered in for good.

What are you doing with ADA in the mean time or is he a calculated loss?

Pionk and ADA must play and preferably play a lot. There can’t be any questions on that. There is only one way to practice playing defense in the NHL — that is to play defense in the NHL. You can’t get close to it in practice. If we have him in the stands we might as well send him to Ibiza to serve cocktails at some bar and live the good life.

I can get arguments for both ways. But the situation should be indisputable, Gorton is sitting next to the coffin with a nail in his left hand and a hammer raised in his right. If ADA don’t play regularly in the NHL in say 4-5 weeks and forward the nail is hammered in for good.

If it were up to me, I'd probably start McQ as the reserve and see how the first few weeks play out. But it's not.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm fine with the roster. Howden on the 4th line makes more sense than Andersson on the 4th line. Andersson will get 20+ min a night in Hartford. As long as McLeod sits every night, whatever. If he is playing, than I have an issue.
lines probably something like:
Kreider-Zubs-Buch
Names-Chytil-Zuccarello
Vesey-Hayes-Spooner
Lettieri-Howden-Fast

#onelineteam.

 

[Ola]

If it were up to me, I'd probably start McQ as the reserve and see how the first few weeks play out. But it's not.

I’d release Staal with pay and trade Shattenkirk before October ends.