Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Autumn in New York

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I almost feel like it would be better to have The Don Chytil elsewhere this year no matter how good a training camp he had. He's just so young. Let him have another year of physical and emotional growth. Keep him hungry about being on Broadway.

Agreed. And that's exactly whats going to happen.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chytil and Buchnevich on the same line?

This place is going to explode.

Agreed. And that's exactly whats going to happen.

I guess we can all congratulate Filip Chytil on making the 2017-18 Rangers now.

 

[rangers1314]

Chicago just released John Mitchell from his PTO.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

A Nash move should at least be considered.

Probably won't be cause the team is still half in the "all-in with Lundquist" camp, but even if they are top 3 in the metro they should still think about it. If someone is willing to blow you away with an offer, that is much better for the team long term.

With Shestyorkin a potential high end goalie replacement already in the pipeline, you don't have to be thinking about Lundquist's retirement as a drop-dead date for the team to compete. Also.... if not for Hank's salary cap hit, you could kinda transition to a Shestyorkin/Lundquist tandem that would extend Hank's shelf life and let you have more time with him as a pseudo backup to win a Cup.

So moving Nash for a high end prospect and a high first round pick would be super smart. They won't consider it, but I would certainly listen to offers, unless I'm getting like a top-2 seeding in the conference.

Sorry, but did you really spell Lundqvist incorrectly 3 separate times in this post?! Seriously?

 

[Gardner McKay]

A Nash move should at least be considered.

Probably won't be cause the team is still half in the "all-in with Lundquist" camp, but even if they are top 3 in the metro they should still think about it. If someone is willing to blow you away with an offer, that is much better for the team long term.

With Shestyorkin a potential high end goalie replacement already in the pipeline, you don't have to be thinking about Lundquist's retirement as a drop-dead date for the team to compete. Also.... if not for Hank's salary cap hit, you could kinda transition to a Shestyorkin/Lundquist tandem that would extend Hank's shelf life and let you have more time with him as a pseudo backup to win a Cup.

So mov]ing Nash for a high end prospect and a high first round pick would be super smart. They won't consider it, but I would certainly listen to offers, unless I'm getting like a top-2 seeding in the conference.

It would be super foolish. In a division as competitive as ours, even getting a wild card spot isn't a bad thing. Doesn't mean you aren't a contender.

 

[RangerBoy]

Chytil should play in the Czech Republic this season. Get stronger. More experience. Have a good season. Same plan for Andersson. Sweden.

 

[rangers1314]

Chytil should play in the Czech Republic this season. Get stronger. More experience. Have a good season. Same plan for Andersson. Sweden.

Considering no NHL'ers in the OLY this season, if both go back overseas...what are both guys chances of making their respective OLY teams?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Both are definitely longshots of making the Olympics, but it's possible.

 

[TheTakedown]

Lol if we can't win a cup without Nash, then we're in really bad shape because he doesn't even show up every season. I get that Nash is a good player, but we have a bunch of good players and you can only ice 12 forwards. If there are 12 forwards who are bringing what we need, then you trade Nash, continue to make smart moves for the future. Absolutely you trade Nash.

That's fine, maybe we trade Nash's rights for a 5th in the offseason... Not like we'd get more than a 2nd and a middling prospect for him anyways.

Trading Holden for either a rental winger/center, or a mid-round pick (3rd rounder maybe?) would be ideal at this point. Staal can stay the 7th dman since he's basically untradable.

 

[Avery16]

It's great that we have 1st rounders that don't look like busts, but we also shouldn't forget: we got Buchnevich in the 3rd round. We got Lindberg for Ethan Werek. We got Fast and Hagelin in the 6th. 2nd round picks and middling prospects are a good return with our scouting staff.

 

[Off Sides]

Nash if playing well I think returns more than a 2nd and meh prospect.

Instead of just futures it's possible some team would see Nash as their man, trade a roster player which is useful to the Rangers right away and add in a future on top.

 

[Tawnos]

Chytil should play in the Czech Republic this season. Get stronger. More experience. Have a good season. Same plan for Andersson. Sweden.

I think one or both should get 9 games, otherwise I generally agree. Although I suspect Andersson isn't going to learn much over there.

 

[68Forever]

Man does Chytil remind me of Malkin when he first broke into the league, he takes space with the puck on his stick like no one else is on the ice. Surprisingly strong.

 

[Lion Hound]

Nash if playing well I think returns more than a 2nd and meh prospect.

Instead of just futures it's possible some team would see Nash as their man, trade a roster player which is useful to the Rangers right away and add in a future on top.

If Gorton decides to move him and doesn't get a 1st rounder and a prospect back then that is terrible mismanagement of assets.

 

[NickyFotiu]

We can't trade Nash right now unless we get a better point producer back. People get carried away in preseason. Our forwards are solid not great. We do not have enough scoring upfront that we can just give Nash up for a draft pick at this point. Maybe later in the season or at the trade deadline.

 

[eco's bones]

I understand where you guys are coming from -- it's almost like we're worried that keeping him with the big club might somehow overwhelm him, and he might fail to take that next step. We so rarely get players (forwards!) who display such talent we want to be super cautious.

The thing is, we so rarely get players (forwards!) who display such talent. We're not used to them, or how to treat them. There are some players who are ready. Typically, they get drafted in the top 3, but every now and again, you get an outlier. If we lucked into the Czech Auston Matthews, and he's actually ready to make the jump, then he's best served by coming to the NHL, rather than going back to the 10th best league in the world, or whatever it is.

Chytil isn't a Pastrnak who had all the talent, but wasn't physically mature enough to play in the league the year after his draft; he's 6'2", 190+ lbs. and still growing. He looked like one of, if not the best players on the ice last night. If he continues to do so, he should stick with the club.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Vesey-Hayes-Nash
Miller-Chytil-Zuccarello
Grabner-Andersson-Fast

Drool.

I think there was some discussion that Chytil was actually around 200 lbs. The thing is both he and Andersson are physically developed enough--though an 82 game season + playoffs is a huge test for anyone who hasn't done it. Andersson is stocky and strong and his game reminds me of a young Jonathan Toews. Andersson might never be a big point producer but his all around game is already really good and he oozes leadership qualities. Chytil looks like a gem. Size, strength--there was some video of his summer workout routine and this guy has to already have tremendous leg strength. When his body matures all the way he's going to be a beast.

If they go back to Europe--neither of them are long term projects IMO. I would expect both to come to camp and win a job next year then.

 

[bernmeister]

Rick Nash has more value as a player than he would fetch us in a trade.

yes its a lot of money but its coming off the books after this season.

you 100% keep Nash for the season, then see if he would sign a team friendly deal next summer, or if he is not needed, part ways.

Rick Nash is not a problem right now

Disagree, needed futures and cap space are more valuable.
It is not a matter of someone being a problem, he isn't.
It is a matter of opportunity cost.
Would expect it best to build. Stop w/win now.
Build and the wins will take care of themselves.

He's not a problem, but I completely understand wanting to get something back for him if he's just gonna walk. His fate won't be determined until the trade deadline. If the Rangers are out or on the bubble, I could see him being traded. If they are firmly in playoff position, they'll probably keep him. The same thing goes for Grabner. If Nash is playing well come the deadline, we could get a 1st + for him. Lesser players have gotten as much.

Agree, but unless the offer for Grabner as a rental is unreal, I keep him and his superior speed IF the extension is a decent # and he has continued to score.

No way, you move Nash near the deadline regardless of where the team is at. Get another 1st for him, retain as much cap as needed to make sure you acquire another first. Injecting 4 first rounders, over two offseasons is a way to plug those forward prospect holes. This is a stacked draft and he's the only trade chip we have.
If there is a chance to resign him and the numbers work in the summer, you think about signing him again.

Yes, except I am open minded about retaining to max the return.
If that is our best option, terif, otherwise there may be similarly profitable returns where the retaining is not necessary.

Lol if we can't win a cup without Nash, then we're in really bad shape because he doesn't even show up every season. I get that Nash is a good player, but we have a bunch of good players and you can only ice 12 forwards. If there are 12 forwards who are bringing what we need, then you trade Nash, continue to make smart moves for the future. Absolutely you trade Nash.

His time here is almost over.
It was a fair 2 way street.
If he wants to return, unlikely I go more than a year at a t time and $3m or so per most at that.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Agreed. And that's exactly whats going to happen.

Its fun to see these kids playing well in TC. And it's very easy to imagine what they can be. But we're talking about two kids who are fresh and playing against mixed competition. But is this what we're going to see out of these two in mid-February?

I'd rather keep them both champing at the bit and knocking on the door then see them get worn down and perhaps lose some confidence. I want them to expect themselves to be impactful.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Disagree, needed futures and cap space are more valuable.

Bern lets say you trade Nash for a draft pick today with no salary cap money retained or taken back. What will you do with that 7.8 mill in extra cap space this season vs in June when Nash's contract expired?

 

[E-Train]

Chytil looks bigger than 6'2", 190. He's as tall or taller than Kreider, Skjei and Tambellini all listed at 6'3". When he's done growing and filled out, we're looking at a 6'4", 220 center with a ton of skill. Sky's the limit. Don't have a problem with him getting the 9 games but would prefer him back in Zlin for this season.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Bern lets say you trade Nash for a draft pick today with no salary cap money retained or taken back. What will you do with that 7.8 mill in extra cap space this season vs in June when Nash's contract expired?

Can of worms opened.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Because of limited playing time, or responsibility?

Playing time and the role they'd be playing. People will try to justify it by saying something like we don't have a fourth line, but the reality is that there's a big difference between playing with Grabner and Fast and playing with Kreider and Zuccarello. Just because there's no Glass doesn't mean its not a fourth line. You don't want a rookie having to carry a line.

 

[bernmeister]

It is a shocker that Chytil could be ready this year.
thought this season would be preparing for next

He could grow a bit more but as somebody noted he has enough size right now we wouldn't be throwing him under the bus. He seems very mature, so far is only small sample but looks very promising.

I thought he was exclusively a wing.
If he can also pivot, that's huge.

 

[Off Sides]

If Gorton decides to move him and doesn't get a 1st rounder and a prospect back then that is terrible mismanagement of assets.

It kind of writes itself.

If Nash is uninjured and playing well the Rangers are not going to find a deal they like enough to hurt their run. If he is injured or not playing well no one is going to trade much, if anything for him.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Assuming Andersson and Chytil keep up their current level of play, how do people feel about them starting the season in Hartford?

Seems to me, the big con of this is that we burn a year of their contracts.

On the plus side:

Hartford is a better team with them on it.

Both get used to the amount of games in an NHL schedule (or close enough - 80 games instead of 82), so when they do start with the big club, they're not gassed midway through the season (see Vesey, Jimmy)

Both get accustomed to NA sized rinks

Both build chemistry with players who will likely be their teammates on the Rangers for years to come (Graves, ADA, Pionk etc.)

If someone in the top 6 gets injured, (again, assuming their level of play stays consistent to what we've seen so far) I'd rather have one of these guys fill in than ask someone on the big club to play over their heads in a role they're not suited for.

Thoughts for or against?