Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!
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there really is no way to establish a timeline on this process, it is not that straight forward, point A to point B, etc to put a true timeline on it. the only thing we know right now is that today we are not ready to compete. But the process, and I'm using 'the process' so we don't get hung up on the terms rebuild or retool or whatever, is a fluid process that needs to be re-evaluated several times throughout the year. where we stand needs to be evaluated during training camp...and then again at the trade deadline...and then again at the draft heading into next off-season and so on...its impossible to project what next summer will look like without knowing how this year will play out...
many people are using '2-3 years' as the baseline to start but to me that means little more than telling the impatient people not on board with the rebuild to take a depth breath, relax and find some distractions cause this process isn't going to be over night...but its not a real timeline. if you say 2-3 years right now, it does NOT automatically become 1-2 years next summer simply because the calendar flipped. there is a scenario where everything works out with key youngsters developing and establishing themselves and we head into next off-season saying that we are ready to take the next step and we are 1 key addition away from being a playoff team next year. but on the flip side, there is also the possible scenarios where key youngsters aren't ready or kids we are depending on turn out to not be what we hope and you go into next off-season realizing that we are further away than we thought and the 2-3 years becomes 3-4. the reality will almost certainly land somewhere in the middle but point is we don't know yet...
I would love nothing more than for the majority of things to get well this year with the development of chytil, anderson, howden, hajek, lindgren, etc, land a top center in the draft and end up in a position primed to target a guy like panarin to take us into the next phase of the process. But making the decision TODAY to sign panarin, isn't assisting the process or speeding up the process...it is scrapping the process and going back to the 'win now' attitude that we've always followed and convincing yourself that it will be different this time...and I know not everyone is on board with the way things are going and want to just go for it and this is nothing against that point of view. But lets be real, you are looking to skip the process and 'go for it' not speed up the process...
lastly (to end my rambling) we need to remember that the process of building a team and keeping the pipelines full is a never-ending process. this is not something that you do for a couple years and then forget about it. that is how you end up in the situation we are currently in. we neglected that process and neglected the pipelines to the point that had to put the process into hyper-drive to recover and get us back to where we need to be. but I don't want to go thru this every 10-15 years. when we get back to where we need to be, that isn't the end of JG work. we hopefully learned from the mistakes that got us into this situation so we can avoid having to go thru it again...
many people are using '2-3 years' as the baseline to start but to me that means little more than telling the impatient people not on board with the rebuild to take a depth breath, relax and find some distractions cause this process isn't going to be over night...but its not a real timeline. if you say 2-3 years right now, it does NOT automatically become 1-2 years next summer simply because the calendar flipped. there is a scenario where everything works out with key youngsters developing and establishing themselves and we head into next off-season saying that we are ready to take the next step and we are 1 key addition away from being a playoff team next year. but on the flip side, there is also the possible scenarios where key youngsters aren't ready or kids we are depending on turn out to not be what we hope and you go into next off-season realizing that we are further away than we thought and the 2-3 years becomes 3-4. the reality will almost certainly land somewhere in the middle but point is we don't know yet...
I would love nothing more than for the majority of things to get well this year with the development of chytil, anderson, howden, hajek, lindgren, etc, land a top center in the draft and end up in a position primed to target a guy like panarin to take us into the next phase of the process. But making the decision TODAY to sign panarin, isn't assisting the process or speeding up the process...it is scrapping the process and going back to the 'win now' attitude that we've always followed and convincing yourself that it will be different this time...and I know not everyone is on board with the way things are going and want to just go for it and this is nothing against that point of view. But lets be real, you are looking to skip the process and 'go for it' not speed up the process...
lastly (to end my rambling) we need to remember that the process of building a team and keeping the pipelines full is a never-ending process. this is not something that you do for a couple years and then forget about it. that is how you end up in the situation we are currently in. we neglected that process and neglected the pipelines to the point that had to put the process into hyper-drive to recover and get us back to where we need to be. but I don't want to go thru this every 10-15 years. when we get back to where we need to be, that isn't the end of JG work. we hopefully learned from the mistakes that got us into this situation so we can avoid having to go thru it again...
Obviously I am just speculating but one way to go is real estate.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
Boo Nieves Truther
Going to offer him Staal's expensive CT digs...
darko
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I know that its not kosher and highly unlikely they would chose that route but there are ways to make it swing.
maybe if you want to be fined and lose draft picks for trying to circumvent the salary cap.
Rangers are lousy drafters anyways
But jokes aside, that was just wild speculation from my part. Nothing substantial at all. My guess is that an offer of 10-11/year would be enough given the player in questions fondness for the city of NY.
darko
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We could also kidnap his family and force him to sign that way.
Beer League Sniper
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I'd be more than ok with that. You have to figure he's going to get the Doughty contract ($11M), if he likes the destination as you say.Rangers are lousy drafters anyways
But jokes aside, that was just wild speculation from my part. Nothing substantial at all. My guess is that an offer of 10-11/year would be enough given the player in questions fondness for the city of NY.
Thirty One
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Happened pretty consistently last year, sometimes the 4 main PK defensemen were all lefty’s.
Prob some combo of Staal, Smith, Skjei, Shattenkirk and Pionk.
I'd just run Staal out there for 2 minutes with whoever.
I'd just run Staal out there for 2 minutes with whoever.
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I am not sure I see a 2-3 year rebuild here. If I was Gorton and Quinn I would start off the year with Chytil and Andersson continuing to develop in the minors and take my lumps early and often. Then trade Hayes/Zucc at the deadline, and bring the rookies up shortly before or after that, so they finish the back half or third of the year, but not enough to salvage a bad season.
Secure another top 5-10 pick, get firsts for Hayes and Zucc, clear a ton of cap space in the process.
Draft Hughes/Kakko/Newhook/Turcotte in with your top pick, take best player available with your additional picks, and your farm system is literally stacked.
With your ridiculous cap room, you sign two of Panarin/EK/Seguin, and in 2019-20 you are icing a team of
1st round pick (Hughes/Newhook/etc)
Panarin
Seguin
Chytil
Andersson
Kreider
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
As the core of your top 3 scoring lines, with Kravtsov possibly a 2019/20 call up.
That team is no doormat. I dunno if you can say Cup contender but they are certainly a team you could see winning multiple playoff rounds.
Secure another top 5-10 pick, get firsts for Hayes and Zucc, clear a ton of cap space in the process.
Draft Hughes/Kakko/Newhook/Turcotte in with your top pick, take best player available with your additional picks, and your farm system is literally stacked.
With your ridiculous cap room, you sign two of Panarin/EK/Seguin, and in 2019-20 you are icing a team of
1st round pick (Hughes/Newhook/etc)
Panarin
Seguin
Chytil
Andersson
Kreider
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
As the core of your top 3 scoring lines, with Kravtsov possibly a 2019/20 call up.
That team is no doormat. I dunno if you can say Cup contender but they are certainly a team you could see winning multiple playoff rounds.
Mac n Gs
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Staal surprisingly was arguably their best PK defender last season. He and Holden both were really close in their relative metrics against and were scored on less frequently than the other players. Rob O'Gara and Ryan Sproul were good in a small sample too.
I completely agree. Their play styles certainly complimented each other.
Staal
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Ok, I get it, not my most intelligent post I have made but neither is living on a island where the worlds most dangerous animals roam around.
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That's not allowed. If the league finds out about that, the Rangers can be punished for circumventing the cap and lose draft picks.
pld459666
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Ok, I get it, not my most intelligent post I have made but neither is living on a island where the worlds most dangerous animals roam around.
Long Island is ****ing brutal, bro. Spent many years there.
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