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Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

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The Crypto Guy said:
I couldn't stand Girardi the last few years of his career and thought he was brutal, but his prime years he was a rock for us. Same as Staal who gets a ton of hate.
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Tortorella did an absolutely fantastic job at picking a system that worked with the personnel he had available.

He was the last Rangers coach that could actually do this.

Girardi playing zone defense in a 6 goalie system... was absolutely fine. @Machinehead may disagree, but i had no problems with Girardi in that context.
 
NYR Viper said:
Lets assume for a minute that the team likes Gustafsson for his role. Bottom-pairing, puck moving LD and PP#2 guy.

That makes Jones a bit redundant.

Would anyone consider a trade of Zac Jones for Logan Stanley?

The team could rotate Stanley/Gustafsson as needed as a 6/7. He had an injury riddled year last year but going back to 2021-2022 when he was 23 years old, he held up pretty well on a pretty barren Winnipeg d-corps. ~15:39 ATOI, 13 points in 58 games along with 44 PIMs, 100 blocks and 131 hits in those 58 games and a -2.4 CF% rel.

For a 23 year old 6'7 d-man those aren't bad numbers.

He probably tops out as a #6, maybe #5 d-man if paired with the right partner
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I think Winnipeg is pretty high on Stanley, no?
 
NYR Viper said:
Lets assume for a minute that the team likes Gustafsson for his role. Bottom-pairing, puck moving LD and PP#2 guy.

That makes Jones a bit redundant.

Would anyone consider a trade of Zac Jones for Logan Stanley?

The team could rotate Stanley/Gustafsson as needed as a 6/7. He had an injury riddled year last year but going back to 2021-2022 when he was 23 years old, he held up pretty well on a pretty barren Winnipeg d-corps. ~15:39 ATOI, 13 points in 58 games along with 44 PIMs, 100 blocks and 131 hits in those 58 games and a -2.4 CF% rel.

For a 23 year old 6'7 d-man those aren't bad numbers.

He probably tops out as a #6, maybe #5 d-man if paired with the right partner
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How does that make him redundant? That makes him the perfect extra who can fill in and play a similar role if Gustafsson gets hurt. Putting Stanley in for him requires much larger changes. Now Trouba or Miller go to PP2. Either their ice time goes up or they lose shifts elsewhere which then likely go to the third pairing.

And the underrating of Gus on here is kind of crazy. He basically acted as a top pair D in WSH last year with Carlson out under this exact same coach. Of course he’s going to be basically an every game player. He was #3 in 5v5 TOI/game and #2 in overall toi/game from Jan through February. Just because people want to see a younger guy in that role does not mean it is going to happen it is extremely unlikely anyone other than Gustafsson gets significant time in that spot. And they shouldn’t.
 
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noupf said:
Seriously……Dan Girardi made $5.5 million and people on this board think Lindgren will take $4.0 or less for 6-8 years…….GTFO !!

Rangers will be lucky if they can get him to do 6-7 at the $5.5 for crying out loud.
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I wonder if we could get him to that or otherwise significant term at something between 4.25-4.75.
 
noupf said:
Seriously……Dan Girardi made $5.5 million and people on this board think Lindgren will take $4.0 or less for 6-8 years…….GTFO !!

Rangers will be lucky if they can get him to do 6-7 at the $5.5 for crying out loud.
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Nashville got Kevin Klein, Lindgren's best comparable, to a 5 year 2.9 million a year contract at 27.

Defense first guys get team friendly deals.
 
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Profet said:
Tortorella did an absolutely fantastic job at picking a system that worked with the personnel he had available.

He was the last Rangers coach that could actually do this.

Girardi playing zone defense in a 6 goalie system... was absolutely fine. @Machinehead may disagree, but i had no problems with Girardi in that context.
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He also made sure to run out of town anyone who didn’t buy in to his shit system.

 
will1066 said:
Holy smokes.

Girardi's prime years were the early 2010s.

Alex Ovechkin, Diminished Ice Time, and Line-Matching

Did Dan Girardi play less because Alex Ovechkin played less?
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You don't recall Girardi consistently getting matched with and shutting down Great 8?

Ovi finished second to Jason Chimera lol in team scoring for that series in 2012 with a 3-1-4 stat line in 7 games.
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People forget how good Girardi was, he was up there in Norris votes one year. His career petered out because of injuries, I'm nervous of the same for Lindgren, imo its gotta be either a shorter deal or a long deal at a real cost benefit to the team.

Profet said:
Tortorella did an absolutely fantastic job at picking a system that worked with the personnel he had available.

He was the last Rangers coach that could actually do this.

Girardi playing zone defense in a 6 goalie system... was absolutely fine. @Machinehead may disagree, but i had no problems with Girardi in that context.
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Tortorella's system hasnt changed much if at all over time. He prefers shut down dmen and grinding forwards, and a stud goalie, which was basically how our team was built.
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
People forget how good Girardi was, he was up there in Norris votes one year. His career petered out because of injuries, I'm nervous of the same for Lindgren, imo its gotta be either a shorter deal or a long deal at a real cost benefit to the team.
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sure but girardi tanked because of injuries into his 30's. A 7 year deal takes him to just 32. Its actually not a bad idea.
Depends entirely on the cap hit, and also other contracts were gonna have to sign.
 
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