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Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

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Riche16 said:
The BIG problem w comparing Laf to Mika, as far as development obviously, is that Mika had TOOLS

Laf doesn't. He's not great at anything, & kinda sucks at a lot of things.

I completely agree this is a big year for him, but I'm not expecting anything but the same, no matter what contract he signs.
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I think Laf is a technically excellent passer but his lack of separation or deception blunts it a lot.

He also obviously has well above average positioning in front of the net as evidenced by how many tap ins hes had. There's some logic to making him a net front guy.

I think he ultimately gets enough strength to be effective enough to compensate for his skating. I don't see the skating markedly improving.
 
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I think he ends up as a poor man's Jason Robertson which seems... Fine? Question is how far down the line does that happen .
 
Riche16 said:
The BIG problem w comparing Laf to Mika, as far as development obviously, is that Mika had TOOLS

Laf doesn't. He's not great at anything, & kinda sucks at a lot of things.

I completely agree this is a big year for him, but I'm not expecting anything but the same, no matter what contract he signs.
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Big problem with THAT is that it is a completely subjective take. Which you are entitled to but is not exactly fact, just opinion. Weird that a player with no tools was able to score 47 goals in his first 216 games in his D+1-3 seasons. Never mind be the consensus 1OA in his draft year. And maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t imagine a lot of NYR fans were following Mika’s D+1-3 in OTT close enough to really make any relevant comparisons.
The numbers are the numbers. You can try to qualify or DISqualify to your heart‘s content. But the numbers remain.

GAGLine said:
If Cuylle had put up 39 points in the NHL last year (d+3 season), he'd be a stud. Laf does it at the same age and he's terrible. HF in a nutshell.
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Yup
 
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GAGLine said:
So you can say he hasn't lived up to expectations. That doesn't make him a bad player.
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I tend to agree with you but also with machine that he doesn’t click well with our forwards.

If it wasn’t bad optics I’d explore a trade
 
Riche16 said:
The BIG problem w comparing Laf to Mika, as far as development obviously, is that Mika had TOOLS

Laf doesn't. He's not great at anything, & kinda sucks at a lot of things.

I completely agree this is a big year for him, but I'm not expecting anything but the same, no matter what contract he signs.
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I remember not only many here but sens fans being skeptical about Mika. I was lurking heavily around here and watching him play us and some isles games (D1-3) @bhamill .

IMO, I think he tore the f*ckin' roof off of his ceiling. I loved him from the moment he came into the league. He did stink of potential, but he fumbled and bumbled for a few years and was playing with some really hot shit dudes on top of that. If I remember correctly, he was playing with real prime Karlsson. Such a low scoring era and that dude was on fire every game. Always made me nervous back then. Hoffman was a killer back then too.

The comparison is interesting, but I have Laf ahead of Mika (same aged years) by miles (all situations considered).

Jeeeeezus can we please start the f*ckin' season already?
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
thehockeywriters.com

Rangers News & Rumors: Lindgren, Lafrenière & PTO Targets - The Hockey Writers New York Rangers Latest News, Analysis & More

The New York Rangers are looking to sign Ryan Lindgren to a long-term deal, while things remain quiet with Alexis Lafreniène.
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Rumor: Rangers want to sign Lindgren to 7 or 8 year deal. Depending on the cost, would be a risk due to him always playing hurt or until he can’t skate anymore up the ice
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The hockey news? Who the hell is that? Why would they know anything about deals with the rangers when nobody else does?

sounds like nothing to be honest
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
thehockeywriters.com

Rangers News & Rumors: Lindgren, Lafrenière & PTO Targets - The Hockey Writers New York Rangers Latest News, Analysis & More

The New York Rangers are looking to sign Ryan Lindgren to a long-term deal, while things remain quiet with Alexis Lafreniène.
thehockeywriters.com thehockeywriters.com



Rumor: Rangers want to sign Lindgren to 7 or 8 year deal. Depending on the cost, would be a risk due to him always playing hurt or until he can’t skate anymore up the ice
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I'd love that, just to see the few people who are adamant about trading him go crazy.

But it would be absolutely amazing if we somehow got him on a 7-8 year deal for under 4M.
 
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Laf Zib Wheeler
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Vesey
 
RangersFan1994 said:
thehockeywriters.com

Rangers News & Rumors: Lindgren, Lafrenière & PTO Targets - The Hockey Writers New York Rangers Latest News, Analysis & More

The New York Rangers are looking to sign Ryan Lindgren to a long-term deal, while things remain quiet with Alexis Lafreniène.
thehockeywriters.com thehockeywriters.com



Rumor: Rangers want to sign Lindgren to 7 or 8 year deal. Depending on the cost, would be a risk due to him always playing hurt or until he can’t skate anymore up the ice
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It’s smart. Cap is going up. Get it locked in before that happens and the number will be lower.

Chalfdiggity3 said:
The hockey news? Who the hell is that? Why would they know anything about deals with the rangers when nobody else does?

sounds like nothing to be honest
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Quoting Staple in the Athletic.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
I'd love that, just to see the few people who are adamant about trading him go crazy.

But it would be absolutely amazing if we somehow got him on a 7-8 year deal for under 4M.
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Years 7-8 could be rough but LTIR is still a thing and the cap will be like 40% again higher by then
 
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Just to be clear, that article makes it seem like Staple leaked that the Rangers were interested/working on an extension with Lindgren.

This isn’t the case. Staple was responding to a mail bag question and speculating:

I feel this team’s heart and soul is Ryan Lindgren. How much do you think he wants to and will they re-sign him? I feel as Jeff Beukeboom was to Brian Leetch, he is to Adam Fox — Matthew F.

This will be a tough contract decision. Lindgren has plenty of wear and tear and he’s probably more valuable to the Rangers given his connection with Fox than he would be to other teams, not that that means anything when negotiations begin.
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I could see, if the Rangers decide they agree with you, this being a long-term/lower-AAV deal. Something like 7-8 years in the upper 3/low 4-million range, the type of deal you see Lightning players sign to keep the cap flexibility. It would certainly be a deal that won’t age well by year 4 or 5, but that’s the price of retaining your young free agents.

Or the initial talks could become a stalemate quickly and the Rangers would look elsewhere for a top-four LHD next summer.
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There’s no indication from Staples response that correlates to “reports have surfaced that the Rangers are likely looking to sign defenseman Ryan Lindgren to a long-term contract extension.”
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
Just to be clear, that article makes it seem like Staple leaked that the Rangers were interested/working on an extension with Lindgren.

This isn’t the case. Staple was responding to a mail bag question and speculating:



There’s no indication from Staples response that correlates to “reports have surfaced that the Rangers are likely looking to sign defenseman Ryan Lindgren to a long-term contract extension.”
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Wow, pretty half ass reporting by thehockeynews. They have really went down the shitter in the last decade.
 
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That Trouba buyout question was kinda silly. We know his deal becomes a NTC next summer. Even if they need to clear $ that bad I'm sure they could fine a suitor at 50% (4 Mil) for those 2 years. Wait 1 more season or have 6 years of dead cap.. come on 😂
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Exactly. 4M in 4-6 years will be absolute peanuts. Guy is warrior and true leader, which we could always use more of.
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The Crypto Guy said:
I'd love that, just to see the few people who are adamant about trading him go crazy.

But it would be absolutely amazing if we somehow got him on a 7-8 year deal for under 4M.
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He's been a key part of this team, a warrior, but I'm not giving Lindgren 7-8 years; putting him at 32-33 years of age. His type doesn't age well; the last 2-3 years of that deal are going to be not good, regardless of where the cap will be by then. I'd rather not not have contracts I'm going to have to put on LTIR down the road, then have to spend assets to replace him. It's why you keep replenishing the cupboards; gives you cheap ELCs, as long as the team develops those players properly (especially with this organization, there's no guarantee).

I'd give him no more than 4 years.
 
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