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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIII

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Synergy27 said:
How often have teams had two consecutive top two picks?

I’m certainly not advocating a Kakko trade. I am over the moon to have him. But, I do not view him as untouchable after landing Lafreniere (who I do view as untouchable). He can be both an integral part of the future of this team AND one of the league’s most valuable trade chips simultaneously.
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Panthers had back-to-back in 2013 and 2014
Penguins had 4 in a row between 2003 and 2006
Oilers had 3 in a row and 4 in 6 (2010-2015)
Devils had 2 in 3 years (2017, 2019)

It happens a lot more than you think
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
And MAF was taken with the #1OA pick that was traded from FLA to PIT.
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The Panthers could have had 1st overall in back to back years but they had that weird trade in 2002 where they traded 1st overall for 3rd overall with Columbus with that strange condition that they could swap picks in 2003 which they opted not to since they got the 1st overall selection anyway.

Oh, and the Penguins had a 4th overall pick the year before they drafted Fleury. They had 5(!) consecutive drafts with a top-5 pick
 
Uninstaaled said:
My offer for PLD starts and ends with Chytil+Lundkvist as a base. Thats right now, depending on what Chytil does over the next few months, I may even walk that one back.

If another team wants to step up and offer more, go for it.
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Totally doable for the NYR and at the end of the day I'd be surprised if CBJ actually got a better offer. 21 year old C w some pedigree who hopefully puts up a 40-50 pt pace this year playing w Laf w good matchups and a top ~30ish prospect league wide. Would personally also consider a 3rd piece if needed to seal the deal.

If that doesn't work, move on. That's the beauty of having the war chest of assets the NYR have right now.
 
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True Blue said:
So please quantify that
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Chytil Kravtsov picks, but the ask will be Kakko and depending on how KK does this season, I wonder if we would part with him. But Jarmo may already find another team willing to deal a top young player.

This is a drouin, Seth Jones situation which is what I’m saying. It is not STIONK and a first rounder which others have eluded to.
 
pld459666 said:
Not interested in moving Chytil for PLD

One hole for another.

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how is that moving one hole for another? chytil in our wildest dreams might become even close to the player that PLD is now. even if it doesn't increase center depth it makes our centers significantly better
 
pld459666 said:
Not interested in moving Chytil for PLD

One hole for another.

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Thats legitimately not one hole for another.

You are claiming our 3C is the same as a 2C (on this team, a 1C on most other teams) in value. And also it is still TBD if Chytil is even going to hang onto the C position or if he is better off on the wing.

I like Chytil, but I deal him in a heartbeat for Dubois. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Also, to the TFP article, sounds like CBJ is doing some posturing and negotiating through TFP. They aint getting Kakko. As said many, many times, the Rangers can put together a better package than pretty much every team without Kakko in it.
 
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NYRKing said:
Chytil Kravtsov picks, but the ask will be Kakko and depending on how KK does this season, I wonder if we would part with him. But Jarmo may already find another team willing to deal a top young player.

This is a drouin, Seth Jones situation which is what I’m saying. It is not STIONK and a first rounder which others have eluded to.
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The ask may be Kakko, but were I a betting man, I would bet that he, Lafreniere, Fox & Shestyrkin are not on the table at all. Chytil, Kravstov and maybe a pick (no multiple picks coming)? Not sure that is enough of proven everyday production for Columbus to make a move.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
Totally doable for the NYR and at the end of the day I'd be surprised if CBJ actually got a better offer. 21 year old C w some pedigree who hopefully puts up a 40-50 pt pace this year playing w Laf w good matchups and a top ~30ish prospect league wide. Would personally also consider a 3rd piece if needed to seal the deal.

If that doesn't work, move on. That's the beauty of having the war chest of assets the NYR have right now.
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The third piece would more then likely be a draft pick. But you are going to have to send some salary out too to make the numbers work. Hence Strome. He also gives them a placeholder until Chytil is ready to take the reigns
 
Chytil/Strome/Tony + A grade prospect.

even if Zegras and Kotka start being added, I think we still top with the above offer, not to mention how much we could tweak that to their liking.

*and that offer still burns me as an overpayment.
 
Synergy27 said:
The situation changes when you stockpile them. Kakko would have been a non starter for me a year ago as well. Lafreniere changes that.

If you can deal Kakko for a player of similar caliber at a position of need, you should at least consider it.
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But PLD may not be similar caliber.
 
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jay from jersey said:
The third piece would more then likely be a draft pick. But you are going to have to send some salary out too to make the numbers work. Hence Strome. He also gives them a placeholder until Chytil is ready to take the reigns
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Sending Chytil out alone would cover the space needed.

Long term? Yeah Strome and DeAngelo likely need to be gone.
 
True Blue said:
The ask may be Kakko, but were I a betting man, I would bet that he, Lafreniere, Fox & Shestyrkin are not on the table at all. Chytil, Kravstov and maybe a pick (no multiple picks coming)? Not sure that is enough of proven everyday production for Columbus to make a move.
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This. NYR will not move Kakko, AnA will not move Zergas. Chytil is a better option then Steel IMO. You don’t move your most highly touted young players/ prospects for a guy only signed for 2 years term and that has publicly asked for a trade. Once his demand hits the media it immediately puts a clock on the trade, and the longer you wait to move the player, the worse the return is. It happened with Trouba, Nash, and many others. If history is any indicator of these type of deals they involve quantity young players(not potential stars drafted 1 and 2 overall) prospects and draft picks. Basically giving the team that’s giving away the more proven young player more kicks at the can, and more years of control in the package coming back then the player going out. The only deal I can see Kakko involved in is for Eichel because he is in conference, is already a star number 1 center and is signed for multiple years
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Kakko is IN a position of need. We are thin at right wing.
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I'm glad somebody else said this out loud. The common logic seems to be that because we are absurdly deep at LW, we should trade away all of our RWers. I'm all "...uh, what?" Outside of Buch and Kakko, we have nothing but hopefuls and question marks.
 
I was gonna say, who is the last player as big as PLD value-wise to move within their division? I don't see the point of sending him here from their perspective, we'd have to be willing to give up more than everyone else - and this is a player that half the league is probably at least doing their due diligence on.
 
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My value reading must be way off, but I feel like deAngelo alone is pretty damn close in value to PLD.

Right D, who actually had more points than PLD last season.. both players just signed their 2nd contract, both bridged.

I'm thinking a Seth Jones/RyJo situation here.

3 year age difference in PLD's favor, so we add.. but certainly not Chytil AND a "A prospect"
 
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NYRKing said:
I think people are underestimating the PLD value all over HF.

Including Kakko sounds like too much but imo Lumbus can get that type of player/prospect in a one for one deal.

Let’s all remember how the Zbad trade worked out for us. PLD is on a higher curve than Zbad ATM, so I’m down to pony up especially given his age and position (says every GM as well).
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In what way? He's a ~55 point player outside of one outlier season (where he was stapled to Panarin). There's been no real progression in those three years, where Zibanejad showed four years of clear progression. PLD's production comes overwhelmingly from beating up on league bottom-feeders. He's got potential, and he's a guy you pick up if the price is right, but not at the prices being thrown around here. You ask us to remember the ZBad trade. The currency for that trade was a player who was, effectively, a bit of a reclamation project (Brassard) whom we acquired in a borderline cap dump (Gaborik). Not the first top 3 draft pick the team has had in a generation, and not a player in the 2nd thinnest position on the depth chart (Kakko).

The team has an excess of good young RD. That should be the wallet. Trading from one position of weakness to shore up another just leaves us with the same number of holes to fill (except we would now have less money).

And again, IF players like that are going to be thrown around as potential trade currency, I want someone a LOT more proven than PLD, who thus far, looks to be no more than a better skating Derek Stepan.
 
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