Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

[LaffyTaffy]

I had high hopes for Fogarty. He was one of those players that showed improvement every season post-draft, even if it was only small improvement.

Then, last season he stagnated. At 27, he is what he is. Big loss for Hartford, though. Kid played the right way.

Probably a bigger loss for us than Nieves at this point.

 

[kovazub94]

Fine. All he needs to do is come into camp and outperform Kreider.

Camp is not representative of regular season especially for vets, so I'd take it a step further and let him outplay Kreider in the first 10 games.
Again, nothing wrong to be matched against opponents' lower lines to get his feet wet.

 

[kovazub94]

Speaking of "this isn't a video game," I don't know if demarcations of first line, second line, third line, etc, matter quite so much. It's all about the matchups Lafreniere will draw in the role he is cast in. Presumably, typically playing on lines with lesser talent indicate that a player is playing less and taking less intense minutes. But I don't know that it's a given that if Lafreniere is playing on a line with Panarin, for example, that it means he's being put in over his head. It might mean he's getting sheltered a bit since Panarin is gonna draw all the attention.

I think how the Rangers choose to balance their lines is more important than what line label Lafreniere receives, or what rank he's coming in among forwards in time on ice.

Lesser 5 on 5 competition is good. Less minutes could be supplemented with PP time.

 

[kovazub94]

+1

He had his shot. Respectfully, if he didn’t want to leave and continue with the Rangers then fine. No buying into this “at my “ age all i want to do is win since the Rangers were basically forced into buying him out b/c they didn’t want to carry three goalies yet again. Hank lovers can’t have it both ways and neither could the goalie.

Happy Georgiev is part of the bigger picture as it would have been wrong to both move the young goalie out and break up the young tandem.

Now you got it. The rest is a lip service for reporters. With the Caps he picked the best situation under the circumstances - proximity to NY (for family reasons) was as important as a chance for another short in play-offs

 

[NYSPORTS]

Now you got it. The rest is a lip service for reporters. With the Caps he picked the best situation under the circumstances - proximity to NY (for family reasons) was as important as a chance for another short in play-offs

always had it, the selective readers are too emotionally invested to see it.

 

[kovazub94]

always had it, the selective readers are too emotionally invested to see it.

Look back at your posts, bud. You started with “if Hank wanted the Cup he should’ve left 2.5 years ago after the letter”.

 

[JohnC]

Good night sweet prince

 

[NYSPORTS]

Look back at your posts, bud. You started with “if Hank wanted the Cup he should’ve left 2.5 years ago after the letter”.

look farther back where people thought others were upset he signed with the Caps. I don’t care where he signed.

Call it lip service all you want, he said at his age he wants to win yet remained a Ranger until bought out. Specifically, he remained a Ranger dressed on the bench while kids started around him.

 

[rangers1314]

Probably a bigger loss for us than Nieves at this point.

Has Boo signed anywhere yet?

Best of luck to Fogerty.

 

[Thirty One]

Has Boo signed anywhere yet?

Best of luck to Fogerty.

Rumor has it he's a package deal with Athanasiou for suspected syngeries.

 

[Waivers]

Won’t lose a wink of sleep over Fogarty.

 

[kovazub94]

Rumor has it he's a package deal with Athanasiou for suspected syngeries.

Athanasiuou is Kreider-lite, I presume?

 

[True Blue]

There will be a camp. They will no doubt look at various combinations. If the kid appears ready to handle an NHL workload then pairing him with an accomplished center will help him and make the team deeper by having Kreider on another line. That's all. Not "handing" something to anyone. It's not like this is a Stanley Cup finalist breaking in a new kid.

Being able to handle the NHL and earning your spot are two entirely different things. It seems to me it's pretty simply. If he can outplay Kreider by a wide margin, he gets to skate on Zbad's left. If he cannot, then he goes to the third line where he probably belongs at this point.

 

[True Blue]

Camp is not representative of regular season especially for vets, so I'd take it a step further and let him outplay Kreider in the first 10 games.
Again, nothing wrong to be matched against opponents' lower lines to get his feet wet.

I agree. Not sure where the need to ram someone into competition against top NHL opponents as development.

 

[TheBPA]

look farther back where people thought others were upset he signed with the Caps. I don’t care where he signed.

Call it lip service all you want, he said at his age he wants to win yet remained a Ranger until bought out. Specifically, he remained a Ranger dressed on the bench while kids started around him.

Where was he supposed to go? What contending team was taking on a $4.25m cap hit (assuming the Rangers retained 50%) for another goalie in the last 2 years?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Athanasiuou is Kreider-lite, I presume?

If by Kreider-lite you mean bad, then yes.

 

[mti79]

look farther back where people thought others were upset he signed with the Caps. I don’t care where he signed.

Call it lip service all you want, he said at his age he wants to win yet remained a Ranger until bought out. Specifically, he remained a Ranger dressed on the bench while kids started around him.

The way I took it was that he wanted to remain a ranger for the duration of the contract/career. Once that wasn't an option, he wanted to choose a new route that was aimed at winning the Cup and being close to his family in NY was also important to him.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Has Boo signed anywhere yet?

Best of luck to Fogerty.

nope

 

[NYSPORTS]

Where was he supposed to go? What contending team was taking on a $4.25m cap hit (assuming the Rangers retained 50%) for another goalie in the last 2 years?

Oh please, the whole roster was turned over. Nobody in the league wanted Hank? If that’s the case then what good was he for all those who defended him?

 

[NYSPORTS]

The way I took it was that he wanted to remain a ranger for the duration of the contract/career. Once that wasn't an option, he wanted to choose a new route that was aimed at winning the Cup and being close to his family in NY was also important to him.

that’s how it played out. Thankfully the Rangers didn’t ship Georgiev elsewhere.

 

[TheBPA]

Oh please, the whole roster was turned over. Nobody in the league wanted Hank? If that’s the case then what good was he for all those who defended him?

Ok so you have no answer. No contenders were taking on $8.5m (or $4.25m) in cap space for another goalie, mostly because if they're a contender, they already have a goalie.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Ok so you have no answer. No contenders were taking on $8.5m (or $4.25m) in cap space for another goalie, mostly because if they're a contender, they already have a goalie.

lol, yeah right. The whole team was movable except the elite goalie.

 

[kovazub94]

If by Kreider-lite you mean bad, then yes.

I mean, for the context if you recall Nieves was forcing Zibanejad to a wing...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I mean, for the context if you recall Nieves was forcing Zibanejad to a wing...

In that case, AA would be forcing Kreider to sign an extension to his new deal.

 

[TheBPA]

lol, yeah right. The whole team was movable except the elite goalie.

Ok, Mike. We can go through the entire league if you'd like. The bolded are the only possibilities:

1. Boston - Rask and Halak
2. Tampa - Vasilevsky
3. Toronto - Freddie Anderson at $5m already; no cap space
4. Florida - Bobrovsky
5. Montreal - Carey Price
6. Buffalo - Tire Fire
7. Ottawa - Tire Fire
8. Detroit - Tire Fire
9. Washington - Holtby and Samsonov
10. Philadelphia - Carter Hart
11. Pittsburgh - Murray and Jarry
12. Carolina - Mrazek and Reimer; only an option if we take a goalie back / attach an asset as their owner does not want to spend on goaltending
13. Islanders - lol no
14. Columbus - 2 young quality goalies that allowed them to let Bobrovsky walk
15. Devils - lol no
16. St. Louis - Binnington just won a cup, Allen was doing well as a backup
17. Colorado - Grubauer and Francouz; maybe an option if we retained 50%
18. Dallas - Bishop and Khudobin
19. Nashville - Rinne and Saros
20. Winnipeg - Hellybuyck
21. Minnesota - Dubnyk and Stalock; possibly could work but not a contender
22. Chicago - Crawford and Lehner and not a contender
23. Vegas - Fleury and Subban and no cap space
24. Edmonton -Mike Smyth and Koskinen, and no cap space
25. Vancouver - Markstrom and Demko
26. Calgary - Talbot and Rittich and no cap space
25. Arizona - Kuemper and Raanta
26. Anaheim - Gibson
27. LA - Tire Fire
28. San Jose - Tire Fire

So, basically Colorado or nothing. Selfish Henrik maybe possibly refused to waive his NTC for 1 potential location to a team that maybe was ok with their goaltending anyway, and unless they were willing to play goalie musical chairs themselves, would have 3 NHL goalies on their roster for this season.