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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXII

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NYSPORTS said:
If it’s going to take more than “just those 2” then why are you challenging other to beat it? If you want the player, a soon to be 24 year old $10 million dollar Center, post the real offer then.

Edmonton, Colorado, LA, you mentioned Anaheim, Montreal, Philly can package a lot too.

you had better bring Miller, Krazkov, Nils to the table. An Eichel move with be as much about obtaining much more than a 2 for 1 as it will be for cutting cost.
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I think his take behind all of this is we have the deepest system to trade out of whereas other teams may not be okay with dealing away multiple assets. The deal starts with Chytil and ADA and if anyone tries topping that we have picks and players to add and it will be very hard to outbid the Rangers.
 
GAGLine said:
Tampa isn't a good trade partner at this time because they need to clear cap space and we're not in a position to help them do that. Any deal we make needs to have nearly equal cap going both ways, and that doesn't help Tampa. If we move Strome or ADA somewhere else first, it's a different story, but then we're giving up young players on ELCs/futures in any deal with Tampa.
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Not if the player coming our way is a RFA. Yes, they could offload Palat or Johnson, or they can recuperate good ELC talent to make up the difference.

Tampa is stacked at LHD. Similar scenario with us and ADA. Do you pay a #3LD $5+M?

n8 said:
sure, better players. higher cost. Be prepared to give up Lundkvist if you are going after Sergachev. Exactly fits their needs. Cost controlled talent to replace at their veteran stop gaps like Shattenkirk/Schenn/Bogo/etc. If they can afford to take cap back, sure I guess you might discuss ADA but my gut says that they'll need to cap space. Damn, ADA would be a beast on that team. Hedman watching his back or taking his passes. she-iiiiiiiit. And Cirelli? We'd probably have to take Tyler Johnson's cap AND give them Kravtsov. Maybe one. Both sounds step.
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It's steep but a Lundkvist+ for Sergachev is a fair swap.
I think Sergachev has #1-2 potential. Looked like a stud in the playoffs but was overshadowed by Hedman. TB is stacked and locked at LHD.

ADA can work if they offload some cap to another team.
 
bobbop said:
You Can’t Hurry Love was a top ten record for The Supremes in 1966.



And BTW, the little blue pill is now white (generic) and a lot cheaper.

(Thank you, I’ll be here all week)
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My favorite version
 
Duchene <--> Kyle Turris (solid 2C nothing more), Shane Bowers (not that great of a prospect), Hammond, 1st rounder
While Duchene isn't on Eichel's level, they are both disgruntled and their teams don't hold the leverage. Chytil, ADA, 1st, prospect can be done after another season
Erik Karlsson<--> 1st, 2nd, decent prospects, conditional picks
Ryan McDonagh <--> 1st, conditional 1st, Howden, Hajek
Mike Richards <--> Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, 2nd round pick
Again not on Eichel's level but Chytil at this point will have shown more than Schenn, ADA > Simmonds and again the Rangers can throw picks in
Kessell <--> basically Kapanen and 1st
ROR <--> 1st, 2nd, decent prospects/players

The common theme is when teams are getting rid of their best players the return is always underwhelming. Even Nash was just a 1st, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon. Just because we have a ton of assets doesn't mean we have to give them all away. In another year or two the Rangers will be in prime position to rob the Sabres.
 
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gravey9 said:
Quick question for those who know:

When do the NYR have to qualify their RFAs by? Have we gotten any announcement other than the ADA leak that our RFA's have received their QO?
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normally it is June 25th or the monday after the entry draft but there is no monday between the draft and the start of free agency so not sure for this year...but teams don't have to announce it. reports have already started coming out but often you don't know for sure until the official list comes out on the first day of free agency.
 
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Avery16 said:
If they aren’t qualifying him, he’s a UFA group 6
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group 6 free agents are different....a group free agent is a player 25 years or older with 3 pro seasons and less than 80 games played (28 for a goalie).

Nieves, O'Regan and Letteri will be group 6 free agents. there is no qualifying offer and the only way the rangers could have kept their rights is to have played them in games.
 
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Chytilmania said:
Duchene <--> Kyle Turris (solid 2C nothing more), Shane Bowers (not that great of a prospect), Hammond, 1st rounder
While Duchene isn't on Eichel's level, they are both disgruntled and their teams don't hold the leverage. Chytil, ADA, 1st, prospect can be done after another season
Erik Karlsson<--> 1st, 2nd, decent prospects, conditional picks
Ryan McDonagh <--> 1st, conditional 1st, Howden, Hajek
Mike Richards <--> Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, 2nd round pick
Again not on Eichel's level but Chytil at this point will have shown more than Schenn, ADA > Simmonds and again the Rangers can throw picks in
Kessell <--> basically Kapanen and 1st
ROR <--> 1st, 2nd, decent prospects/players

The common theme is when teams are getting rid of their best players the return is always underwhelming. Even Nash was just a 1st, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon. Just because we have a ton of assets doesn't mean we have to give them all away. In another year or two the Rangers will be in prime position to rob the Sabres.
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Not for nothing, but none of these guys were 23. Duchene was 26. Karlsson 28. McDonagh 28. Richards 26. Kessel 27. O'Reilly 27. Nash 28.

I'd hesitate to say that those trades imply anything for an Eichel trade.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Not if the player coming our way is a RFA. Yes, they could offload Palat or Johnson, or they can recuperate good ELC talent to make up the difference.

Tampa is stacked at LHD. Similar scenario with us and ADA. Do you pay a #3LD $5+M?


It's steep but a Lundkvist+ for Sergachev is a fair swap.
I think Sergachev has #1-2 potential. Looked like a stud in the playoffs but was overshadowed by Hedman. TB is stacked and locked at LHD.

ADA can work if they offload some cap to another team.
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I mentioned this before but I would absolutely move lundkvist for Sergachev and it’s a very fair deal.

whther it’s tony or Lundkvist they’re both going to be behind trouba and Fox long term.

tony is so dynamic offensively that you find him mins I get that. But otherwise you shouldn’t be spending big money or mins into your third pair
 
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Tawnos said:
Not for nothing, but none of these guys were 23. Duchene was 26. Karlsson 28. McDonagh 28. Richards 26. Kessel 27. O'Reilly 27. Nash 28.

I'd hesitate to say that those trades imply anything for an Eichel trade.
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You're right. But generally the team giving up the star doesn't get the ransom that fans are expecting.
 
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So any ideas on which lefthanded defenseman the Rangers can get? We can get away with Zib, Strome, Chytil and Howden as centers, but we have literally one NHL defenseman, and he has limited NHL experience.
 
Luger said:
So any ideas on which lefthanded defenseman the Rangers can get? We can get away with Zib, Strome, Chytil and Howden as centers, but we have literally one NHL defenseman, and he has limited NHL experience.
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Hanafin, Dunn, and Dillon are all names that have come up.
 
Chytilmania said:
I think his take behind all of this is we have the deepest system to trade out of whereas other teams may not be okay with dealing away multiple assets. The deal starts with Chytil and ADA and if anyone tries topping that we have picks and players to add and it will be very hard to outbid the Rangers.
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Maybe try starting the deal with pieces that fit the other team's actual roster depth and needs and not just what you want to give up.

Their deepest position is RD. They aren't trading Eichel for a RD. Teams like LA and MTL have multiple assets to deal too and maybe they'd actually be willing to deal one of those pieces.

LA could deal Byfield/Stutzle and that beats your offer. If you are taking Kaako, LaF, Lundqvist and Fox off the table then any offer you make can be beaten. That's fine if you don't want to deal those guys...

but then you don't really want Eichel (which is fine too).
 
Trxjw said:
Chris Johnston speculated on Sportsnet that the Knights might try to use a 2nd team to eat some of Fleury's salary. I wonder if we'd be in on that. I'd really like to get above $15m in dead cap space for this year. $12.9m isn't a nice even number.
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15 isn't even either. Make it 16? :confused:
 
Usually not a fan of filling the bottom 6 from the UFA pool, but with some teams not extending QOs and a flooded market with a flat cap makes this season unique.

There are a multitude of players I would target to augment our forward group and improve the PK.
If we could get 2 of the following, it would be a cost effective way to replace Fast and also insulate Howden, Lemieux, Chytil, Barron etc...

Johan Larsson
Michael Grabner
Dominik Simon
Derek Grant
Kyle Clifford
Mikko Koivu

Probably could get 2 of those guys at a combined cap hit of 3.5-4m tops. Much more cost effective than giving that to Quickie for 3-4 years
 
Buch, Chytil, Lundkvist, Jones/Robertson
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Cirelli and Sergachev

Too much? Too little? About right? Replace Chytil for Kravtsov maybe?
 
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