Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LX

[GAGLine]

IF the idea is to move Deangelo for help in other spots i wouldn't be against Barrie on a short contract to fill some of what Deangelo brings until Lunkdvist is ready to take over, it would have to be less than 5 mill for 1 or 2 years without a NTC, front loaded contract. But thats only if the idea is to move Deangelo, i wouldn't be moving him to bring in Barrie.

If we are moving ADA, it's for help somewhere else, and we won't have the cap to give Barrie anything close to 5 mil. He's not the type of dman I'd be looking for anyway. Give me a guy who's responsible defensively and can play on the PK.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

i think this is a Cam Talbot market for Georgiev if that. Lot of goalie inventory out there.

Does this mean Edmonton gets a nepotism discount?

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah I feel like Gorton would trade Tony for a more established player if he did trade him

Yeah and from what we've heard, the Rangers don't have a Zegras in this draft. I.e. a guy they're really stoked about and would make a play to get like they tried to do with Buch. Could still be the case and we just haven't heard it but it seems like a big risk. Personally, if I can't get a LD or C in a deal for Tony that's more established -- even a D+1 or D+2 prospect that I know is close to NHL ready would work -- I probably just sign him and kick the can down the road.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Adding Tkachuk to this team is like the leafs adding Taveres, it will cap us out down the road. Keep the cost controlled kid.

 

[Chytilmania]

The Ducks at #6 are wiling to move their pick. Their scouting director Martin Madden said the Ducks aren’t married to the pick. The Ducks believe there is a top tier 1-3. The players 4-12 have the same value. The Ducks believe it’s a really deep draft until the mid 20’s. He spoke with Eric Stephens of The Athletic. Long time Ducks beat writer.

The Ducks are looking for a player to help their current team or pick up another pick by moving down.

Tony DeAngelo is a fit for them. They need an offensive D. Right-handed shot. They offered Kevin Shattenkirk a multi-year deal last summer. Their need is still there.

The Rangers pick up #6 and select Marco Rossi who is compared to Nicklas Backstrom. He should be there at #6. The Rangers get their center. Rossi isn’t far away from playing in the NHL.

DeAngelo and #22 for #6 and the Bruins #1 pick if they don’t want to swap #6 for Tony.

IF we are able to do something involving DeAngelo for 6 I am trading whatever I can to get to 3. I don't think Ottawa has a reason to drop from 3 to 6 but I'm giving 6, Strome, Georgiev and 22/2021 first for Stutzle/Byfield.

And on today's Spittin Chiclets they said there is buzz about Tony to Anaheim.

 

[Trxjw]

Ooh, buy low sell high. If i can land a young center in the top 6 of this draft for ADA and #22 i think that’s a good risk to take.

Well barring some sort of insane drop with Byfield or Stutzle the only centers you're looking at in that spot are Rossi and Lundell. Lundell at 6 is a little too high for me personally and you're taking positional need over talent in that case. Rossi, while extremely talented, isn't a surefire center in the NHL in my eyes.

 

[Chytilmania]

I feel like I'm always underestimating Tony's value around here but I gotta say, I don't think 6 for TDA and 22 is very good value for us. Don't get me wrong, I'm as high on Sanderson as the next guy, but giving up DeAngelo for a huge gamble doesn't seem like the kind of move Gorton would make.

Agreed, I would do it straight up only to package 6, 22 and whatever else to get Stutzle/Byfield. Anaheim is getting a 24 year old 60 point defenseman. What are the chances they draft one at 6?

I also think a DeAngelo for Lindholm swap would be more likely.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I would absolute trade Tony for #6 overall

I also have a hard time believing Gorton would do the same. H. Lindholm would be the obvious target in any trade with Anaheim imo

Tony for #6 straight up? Maybe. I don't see why we do it though. You are taking two steps back to hopefully take two steps forward in a few years. Makes no sense.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I like Marco Rossi as a prospect. A lot. He's my #4 after Laf, Stutzle, and Drysdale on my board.

That said, I wouldn't trade DeAngelo for him. Winning the Lafreniere sweepstakes is going to accelerate things. The Rangers wouldn't have traded a 2nd rounder to get Staal off the books and wouldn't have bought out Lundqvist if the front office didn't think this team could make noise this coming season.

If DeAngelo gets dealt, it's going to be for another quality player rather than a future asset. Gorton is setting up for this team to contend now and for the duration of Lafreniere's ELC. Things will get hairy in two to three years when Kravtsov, Kakko, Lafreniere, Zibanejad, Fox, and Shesterkin are all going to be due new contracts if they perform to our hopes.

The best move with DeAngelo is to bridge him two more years to still keep him an RFA after the bridge deal or to trade him this summer for a top 4 LHD or top 6 center. His value very well may never be higher. Reading the tea leaves, the latter may be more likely than some may think.

Maloney was gushing about Lundkvist yesterday on the radio. The Rangers see him as a plug and play top 4 NHL defenseman once he signs. He's not getting dealt for anything short of a Godfather offer, I don't think. DeAngelo is the guy that makes the most sense to deal to upgrade elsewhere.

 

[Machinehead]

if you can get 6 for Tony and 22 me and @Machinehead would drive Tony to SoCal ourselves.

So long as I get to tape his mouth shut.

Pass the aux

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Tony for #6 straight up? Maybe. I don't see why we do it though. You are taking two steps back to hopefully take two steps forward in a few years. Makes no sense.

If we're being honest, whoever they take at #6 is probably going to be better than who they actually end up trading Tony for. But yeah it would be a long term play. Which is why I have difficulty seeing Gorton do that

 

[bleedblue94]

what would we have to add to ada and 22 for 6 and lindholm?

I mean hampus only has two years left on his deal, that has to be a consideration in the value

Then try to trade buch + to the flames for lindholm?

 

[Trxjw]

Agreed, I would do it straight up only to package 6, 22 and whatever else to get Stutzle/Byfield. Anaheim is getting a 24 year old 60 point defenseman. What are the chances they draft one at 6?

I also think a DeAngelo for Lindholm swap would be more likely.

I don't think Anaheim has any intention of dealing Lindholm unfortunately.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Well barring some sort of insane drop with Byfield or Stutzle the only centers you're looking at in that spot are Rossi and Lundell. Lundell at 6 is a little too high for me personally and you're taking positional need over talent in that case. Rossi, while extremely talented, isn't a surefire center in the NHL in my eyes.

hmm, still a nice buy low sell high deal. Defense is what many may like but i would opt for Holtz.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I feel like I'm always underestimating Tony's value around here but I gotta say, I don't think 6 for TDA and 22 is very good value for us. Don't get me wrong, I'm as high on Sanderson as the next guy, but giving up DeAngelo for a huge gamble doesn't seem like the kind of move Gorton would make.

I think you’re demanding Boston’s 1st, as suggested by @RangerBoy.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If we're being honest, whoever they take at #6 is probably going to be better than who they actually end up trading Tony for. But yeah it would be a long term play. Which is why I have difficulty seeing Gorton do that

Long term indeed and a high risk play. Gorton has made plenty of long term moves that make sense but with where the Rangers currently are, this one just doesn't IMO.

 

[duhmetreE]

Sign ADA to 2-3 year deal and re-evaluate things next offseason. Things change.

If we can't acquire a Lindholm or Cirelli, sign Strome for 2 years and reassess next offseason.

At this point though, I wouldn't mind overpaying in a trade for a player we really like... specifically a top6 Center.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

DeAngelo+22 for 6 would be a wtf move to say the least.


Like I get it if you think Sanderson is closer to NHL ready than not, but still.

 

[Chytilmania]

DeAngelo+22 for 6 would be a wtf move to say the least.


Like I get it if you think Sanderson is closer to NHL ready than not, but still.

I'd rather have Miller play than Sanderson.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd rather have Miller play than Sanderson.

I like Miller a ton.

He is not in Sanderson's league.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

if you can get 6 for Tony and 22 me and @Machinehead would drive Tony to SoCal ourselves.

So long as I get to tape his mouth shut.

Tony's or @Machinehead's

 

[Trxjw]

hmm, still a nice buy low sell high deal. Defense is what many may like but i would opt for Holtz.

You've got the shot at some tremendous talent at 6. No doubt about that. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around how dealing a guy like DeAngelo for futures fits into the plan.

 

[Ghost of jas]

One of the side benefits to getting 6OA would be the complete troll job of the Devils. Not only do the Rangers get 1OA, but they’re picking twice before the Devils do.

 

[bleedblue94]

You've got the shot at some tremendous talent at 6. No doubt about that. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around how dealing a guy like DeAngelo for futures fits into the plan.

I think it only could if you are getting linholm with 6 somehow. obviously we are adding

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

If we are moving ADA, it's for help somewhere else, and we won't have the cap to give Barrie anything close to 5 mil. He's not the type of dman I'd be looking for anyway. Give me a guy who's responsible defensively and can play on the PK.

I think it's less likely with Staal traded. He and Hank were the old corps,"old guard,"--DeAngelo, whether I like it or not, seems like a part of a new core. I have doubts they'll wanna rock the back-end boat like that... but would they be rocking the boat?