Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVIII

[DutchShamrock]

So thinking out loud. Vegas is trying to shed salary for Pietrangelo. Stastny was identified as a candidate to go out. 1 year, $6.5m. A third of our available cap. What is the cost in assets? Not even sure I like the move but I am curious.

 

[Irishguy42]

So - he kinda sucks in the middle of the ice from what I’m seeing then - correct? But strong on the left and right blue line?

What’s the -12% represent? And, is he allergic to shellfish?

Yes, you're seeing it correct. The middle of the ice is a weaker point for him, but it's stronger on each side.

The -12% means that his Goals Against/60 is BETTER than when he's not on the ice.

All of this is a measurement of when he's on the ice vs off the ice, like other stats. And when you have a large sample size of a player having better impact stats on-ice compared to off-ice, it says more about the player being good in-spite of the team than the team being good in-spite of him.

the tl;dr is pretty much: BOS is good pretty good when Krug is on the ice compared to on the bench.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So thinking out loud. Vegas is trying to shed salary for Pietrangelo. Stastny was identified as a candidate to go out. 1 year, $6.5m. A third of our available cap. What is the cost in assets? Not even sure I like the move but I am curious.

I'd want Krebs to take on Stastny

 

[RGY]

So thinking out loud. Vegas is trying to shed salary for Pietrangelo. Stastny was identified as a candidate to go out. 1 year, $6.5m. A third of our available cap. What is the cost in assets? Not even sure I like the move but I am curious.

If we are going to look at vet Centers to trade for, I’d rather tap into AZ and see if you can get them to trade Stepan at 50% for mid draft picks and/or a B prospect. They are desperate right now. Stepan has less years left on his deal. I believe its 1-2 years left.

Edit: identical contract situations but Step is 4 years younger...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we are going to look at vet Centers to trade for, I’d rather tap into AZ and see if you can get them to trade Stepan at 50% for mid draft picks and/or a B prospect. They are desperate right now. Stepan has less years left on his deal. I believe its 1-2 years left.

1 year.

 

[Kupo]

Yes, you're seeing it correct. The middle of the ice is a weaker point for him, but it's stronger on each side.

The -12% means that his Goals Against/60 is BETTER than when he's not on the ice.

All of this is a measurement of when he's on the ice vs off the ice, like other stats. And when you have a large sample size of a player having better impact stats on-ice compared to off-ice, it says more about the player being good in-spite of the team than the team being good in-spite of him.

the tl;dr is pretty much: BOS is good pretty good when Krug is on the ice compared to on the bench.

Thanks for sharing that info, it’ll help me evaluate some of these charts in the future

Have you compared these graphs with players over the course of 2-3 seasons? If yes, do they generally stay consistent or are they all over the place?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You think we can reacquire McDonagh now for
Car 1st + Hajek +Howden?

Bro. You have 420 in your username haha. Do you post on reddit? That’s keanuchungus69 of you bro.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'd want Krebs to take on Stastny

That popped into me head too but Stastny doesn't have negative value. Pietrangelo and ADA completely alters the Vegas blueline/PP. So many moving parts. Is Vegas even interested is Tony if they get the other? But they are all in and nothing is off limits seemingly.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think Gorton is more likely to scour the buyout market for a center than trade for Stastny or Stepan

And that’s assuming Strome is gone, which who knows what’s going to happen there

 

[Irishguy42]

Thanks for sharing that info, it’ll help me evaluate some of these charts in the future

Have you compared these graphs with players over the course of 2-3 seasons? If yes, do they generally stay consistent or are they all over the place?

Usually they stay consistent for most players, though I do not have a patreon for Micah, so I cannot do a histogram including previous years (historical data for most things are behind a patreon)

 

[Kupo]

Usually they stay consistent for most players, though I do not have a patreon for Micah, so I cannot do a histogram.

I hear ya.

One more for good fun. Trouba last season compared to this season. Did he play as he should have based on his last year in WPG? Or was this year an anomaly for him?

 

[RangersFan1994]

if Dallas wants to trade Oleksiak would Rangers be a good fit?? always been a fan of his.

LD 27 years old ufa at seasons end but maybe would sign her 4 year deal if he'd accept that type of deal. Rangers have cap space. not sure his value? Lias Andersson for a signed Oleksiak??

 

[bobbop]

How would you guys feel about a 6X6 extension for Tony right now...?

Nope

 

[Avery16]

So... I know it’s not winning the Cup but getting 1OA and Staal waiving his NMC in the same offseason is something, isn’t it?

 

[Avery16]

Has it been reported yet what got Staal to waive?

edit:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/26/rangers-trade-marc-staal-second-round-draft-pick-to-red-wings/

Staal...owned a modified no-trade clause on which Detroit was not listed as off-limits, The Post has learned.

so the NMC capfriendly lists is incorrect, it seems...

 

[Avery16]

How would you guys feel about a 6X6 extension for Tony right now...?

He’s not signing for 6 million, and if he were I would give him 8 years.

 

[Kupo]

Nope

Why?

Years?

Salary?

Both....?

Or Q: something your selfish ass knows that we don’t...?!

You spill those beans grandpa!

He’s not signing for 6 million, and if he were I would give him 8 years.

6x6 could very well be overestimating a dmen, similar to what we did with Skjei.

But I see less risk and more reward with that commitment, assuming there aren’t strict trade-clauses. Especially since ADA can man a 1PP, hit, fight, and play somewhat competent defense.

Skjei was bridged longterm too, but even Ray Charles could see the massive difference in their overall skill and abilities.

 

[bobbop]

Why?

Years?

Salary?

Both....?

Or Q: something your selfish ass knows that we don’t...?!

You spill those beans grandpa!



6x6 could very well be overestimating a dmen, similar to what we did with Skjei.

But I see less risk and more reward with that commitment, assuming there aren’t strict trade-clauses. Especially since ADA can man a 1PP, hit, fight, and play somewhat competent defense.

Skjei was bridged longterm too, but even Ray Charles could see the massive difference in their overall skill and abilities.

I’m not giving DeAngelo a six year contract, period. I don’t trust his commitment and if I’m the Rangers I’m not making that kind of commitment. He’s under team control for three more years and I’m going to leverage that. I’ll give him two at $4MM and would consider going to four at $5 MM but I want to see a larger body of work before he goes big casino. He’s not going anywhere.

And there’s this... if I’m Tony, I’m not taking that deal anyway. I’d want much more.

Guys, it’s a whole new world out there. Money is going to be very tight the next few years. Contracts are going to be shorter and less rich. We need to adjust to that reality.

 

[Kupo]

I’m not giving DeAngelo a six year contract, period. I don’t trust his commitment and if I’m the Rangers I’m not making that kind of commitment. He’s under team control for three more years and I’m going to leverage that. I’ll give him two at $4MM and would consider going to four at $5 MM but I want to see a larger body of work before he goes big casino. He’s not going anywhere.

And there’s this... if I’m Tony, I’m not taking that deal anyway. I’d want much more.

Guys, it’s a whole new world out there. Money is going to be very tight the next few years. Contracts are going to be shorter and less rich. We need to adjust to that reality.

I appreciate this..

Does this ultimately mean, trade ADA, Strome, and Buch? For either futures or for guys on 4+ year deals) which Elias is currently on?

@bobbop, @RangerBoy, @Edge, @Mikos87, how about this approach:::::::

Give me what you want, versus what you’ll think we’ll see for the next 2 seasons.

I think most of the fanbase would love to see and hear your thoughts.

 

[JimmyG89]

This is just such an unforseen move. We all have wanted it, but never thought it was something possible. The whole left side opens up a year early. Valuable experience that these young players will need is coming now.

UFA is not the way to address this. There are too many guys internally that can claim a role and learn. Hajek needs NHL time at some point. Miller is going to be here very soon. We'll never learn about these players if they sign someone.

You want to bring in a vet on a ~1M deal? I'm cool with that since it's not someone that you are tied deeply too. I feel like Smith can fill that role, but who knows if he'll be around. If Staal can get moved like this, Smith might be out the door next.

This officially feels like Gorton's roster. This past era was over a few years ago, but this feels like the 2nd to last nail in the coffin.

 

[Savant]

Krug is an issue because he is 29 years old and wants to get PAID. Pass.

Who else is younger, cheaper, left handed, same level/better and available?

 

[broadwayblue]

Who else is younger, cheaper, left handed, same level/better and available?

Not sure, but I'd be shocked if we went after him.

 

[JC704]

We're going to look back at Jeff Gorton trading Marc Staal away as the moment the organization "rebuild/retool" (whatever) ended, and the turn to contending began.

I've posted here they should use a pick to dump Smith. I am astonished it was for Staal, and amazed it was for the entire cap hit. The Rangers can now sit back, collect offers on Georgiev, re-sign their own players, and have enough cap space remaining to contemplate 1/2 depth UFA pickups or possibly moving Carolina's pick in a trade for an immediate NHL talent.

Assuming Lindgren and Smith are two of the LHD, that means just one of Hajek, Reunanen or Miller has to grab the bull by the horns and win one spot. IMO, I like our chances.

 

[Leetch3]

Who else is younger, cheaper, left handed, same level/better and available?

doesn't matter...if a guy isn't worth his contract you don't get him just cause he's the best guy available at the moment. others will be available later.

 

[Savant]

doesn't matter...if a guy isn't worth his contract you don't get him just cause he's the best guy available at the moment. others will be available later.

So to unpack this

We don’t know what his contract is, so we don’t know if he is worth it or not.

With that logic the Rangers probably don’t sign Panarin. it’s more about right guy/right fit. You can pay a 1st line to be a 1st liner. What you can’t do is pay a 2nd liner like he is a 1st liner. Same with D pairs.

And of course there is always going to be a bigger fish. That’s really shouldn’t be a deterrent. You adapt and move.