Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVIII

[Leetch3]

Can anyone tell me if we have a 20-25 minute a night Dmen at LD this or next season in our system...?

Again, as high as I am with Miller, Robertson and Jones, they’re all a few years behind that role.

Strome, Chytil, Howden, and Barron will all push for those 2/3/4C positions.

We need a LD. That’s the biggest immediate need in our organization. That’s what I think Gorton targets first and foremost.

the answer obviously is no and everyone knows that specifically management. they didn't unload staal randomly, there is a plan. they will get a LD. its unknown if it will be a trade for a long term solution or if we sign a UFA that is much cheaper than staal on a short term stop gap deal but we will bring in atleast 1 LD

 

[NYRFANMANI]

F no to Krug, to hell with him. Why another TW or OFD?! Just because he's left handed?

Signing Pietro would such a Rangers of the old move though.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Can anyone tell me if we have a 20-25 minute a night Dmen at LD this or next season in our system...?

Again, as high as I am with Miller, Robertson and Jones, they’re all a few years behind that role.

Strome, Chytil, Howden, and Barron will all push for those 2/3/4C positions.

We need a LD. That’s the biggest immediate need in our organization. That’s what I think Gorton targets first and foremost.

IMO, Krug is young enough if we could get him on a 5yr deal. But the way he's publicly talking it sound like he's shooting for max.

The issue is getting a 1LD level player, either a vet with 2-3 years left on a deal, or a promising mid 20's kid, but what teams have those to spare and match up with us for a swap?

I agree. 1LD is the bigger necessity, but that looks to be a tough nut to crack with a perfect scenario outcome and not stifling our deepest position in our prospect pool.

The only other option that comes to mind is Lindholm from Anaheim given they are looking for an internal shake up and possible rebuild similar to what Minnesota is doing.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

SIGNING Krug a good or bad idea .... go

With the limited cap space we have at the moment, signing a big money UFA is going ruin our team.

We have 20m at the moment. 3m of that is a perf. bonus cushion, leaving you with 17m with just 8 forwards, 4 defensemen and 2 goalies. Unless they trade Strome and/or DeAngelo, it makes 0 sense to go after Krug.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Had this scenario play out in my head lying awake last night (as I do so often with the world burning down around us these days):

Dorion calls Gorton:
D: So, about that interest I expressed in Strome...
G: Yes?
D: What if we combine that idea with my earlier offer for the 1OA?
G: You’re willing to up your offer of the 3OA plus Tkachuk if I include Strome?
D: Exactly.
G: Honestly, Pierre, the only way I move the 1OA is if that add is Chabot.
D: Thought you might say that. But listen, even with Strome added, that’s too much. I’d be giving you you’re first pair left D at 23 years old and locked up long term. I can do it, but I’ll need another piece — one of your left D prospects.
G: Okay, I hear you. Depending on whom you want, we might be able to work something out. Miller and Robertson are off the table, but I’m willing to discuss anyone else.
D: How about the kid from UMass, Jones?
G: I’m reluctant, Pierre. The kid had a first year in the NCAAs that was reminiscent of Fox. But... if you took Smith as well, then I might be open to it.
D: You just paid Stevie a 2nd to take Staal!
G: Yes, but Smith is younger, cheaper, and more versatile. You’ll get more for him at the deadline.
D: Tell ya what, Jeff, remember that deal we discussed a while back for Georgiev where we got hung up because you wanted a second second round pick and I wasn’t willing to go higher than one?
G: Yeah?
D: You add Georgiev and I’ll give you my best second rounder next year.
G: Hmm... let me talk it over with my people. [Pause.] Okay, Pierre, you have a deal.

To NYR:
3OA
Tkachuk
Chabot
OTT’s highest 2nd rd pick in 2021.

To OTT:
1OA
Strome
Georgiev
Jones
Smith

Sign ADA to one of the variants on a 2- or 4-year deal we’ve been discussing, sign Lemieux to something close to his QO, Hank retries or is bought out, sign Talbot (or someone similar) to a 2-year, sub-$2MM AAV deal, sign a vet insurance left D for something similar.

Tkachuk-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Byfield/Stutzle-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux/Barron-Howden-Gauthier

Chabot-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller/Robertson/Reunanen/vet-ADA

Shesterkin
Talbot (or other vet)

Too big a deal to happen in the current environment, I’m sure, and there’s always the “you don’t want to be the guy who traded away the superstar” factor, which would probably doom it anyway, but these are the sorts of things that go through my mind when I can’t sleep.

 

[egelband]

Had this scenario play out in my head lying awake last night (as I do so often with the world burning down around us these days):

Dorion calls Gorton:
D: So, about that interest I expressed in Strome...
G: Yes?
D: What if we combine that idea with my earlier offer for the 1OA?
G: You’re willing to up your offer of the 3OA plus Tkachuk if I include Strome?
D: Exactly.
G: Honestly, Pierre, the only way I move the 1OA is if that add is Chabot.
D: Thought you might say that. But listen, even with Strome added, that’s too much. I’d be giving you you’re first pair left D at 23 years old and locked up long term. I can do it, but I’ll need another piece — one of your left D prospects.
G: Okay, I hear you. Depending on whom you want, we might be able to work something out. Miller and Robertson are off the table, but I’m willing to discuss anyone else.
D: How about the kid from UMass, Jones?
G: I’m reluctant, Pierre. The kid had a first year in the NCAAs that was reminiscent of Fox. But... if you took Smith as well, then I might be open to it.
D: You just paid Stevie a 2nd to take Staal!
G: Yes, but Smith is younger, cheaper, and more versatile. You’ll get more for him at the deadline.
D: Tell ya what, Jeff, remember that deal we discussed a while back for Georgiev where we got hung up because you wanted a second second round pick and I wasn’t willing to go higher than one?
G: Yeah?
D: You add Georgiev and I’ll give you my best second rounder next year.
G: Hmm... let me talk it over with my people. [Pause.] Okay, Pierre, you have a deal.

To NYR:
3OA
Tkachuk
Chabot
OTT’s highest 2nd rd pick in 2021.

To OTT:
1OA
Strome
Georgiev
Jones
Smith

Sign ADA to one of the variants on a 2- or 4-year deal we’ve been discussing, sign Lemieux to something close to his QO, Hank retries or is bought out, sign Talbot (or someone similar) to a 2-year, sub-$2MM AAV deal, sign a vet insurance left D for something similar.

Tkachuk-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Byfield/Stutzle-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux/Barron-Howden-Gauthier

Chabot-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller/Robertson/Reunanen/vet-ADA

Shesterkin
Talbot (or other vet)

Too big a deal to happen in the current environment, I’m sure, and there’s always the “you don’t want to be the guy who traded away the superstar” factor, which would probably doom it anyway, but these are the sorts of things that go through my mind when I can’t sleep.

Wow. Very interesting. But in the end, I'd be too frightened to pull the trigger.

 

[Priorae]

Would love to see them lob a $7-8M to a 23 year old Cirelli vs. giving 5 to Strome. Make Tampa work for it.

 

[GAGLine]

SIGNING Krug a good or bad idea .... go

Signing anyone whose cap hit will be more than we can afford is a bad idea.

 

[Ola]

They are actively exploring a trade for a long-term second line center. Why would they move the greatest prospect they've ever had out of position?

The why is of course that having a top center historically has been a lot more valuable than having a top winger. Its much easier to focus on and shut down a winger than a center.

Of course I agree with @Mikos87 that it would have to be done gradually and over time -- if it should be done at all.

I am not convinced either way and probably leaning towards not trying to move him to center. But I am not convinced on that it shouldn't be done either.

 

[archanfelnsx]

Had this scenario play out in my head lying awake last night (as I do so often with the world burning down around us these days):

Dorion calls Gorton:
D: So, about that interest I expressed in Strome...
G: Yes?
D: What if we combine that idea with my earlier offer for the 1OA?
G: You’re willing to up your offer of the 3OA plus Tkachuk if I include Strome?
D: Exactly.
G: Honestly, Pierre, the only way I move the 1OA is if that add is Chabot.
D: Thought you might say that. But listen, even with Strome added, that’s too much. I’d be giving you you’re first pair left D at 23 years old and locked up long term. I can do it, but I’ll need another piece — one of your left D prospects.
G: Okay, I hear you. Depending on whom you want, we might be able to work something out. Miller and Robertson are off the table, but I’m willing to discuss anyone else.
D: How about the kid from UMass, Jones?
G: I’m reluctant, Pierre. The kid had a first year in the NCAAs that was reminiscent of Fox. But... if you took Smith as well, then I might be open to it.
D: You just paid Stevie a 2nd to take Staal!
G: Yes, but Smith is younger, cheaper, and more versatile. You’ll get more for him at the deadline.
D: Tell ya what, Jeff, remember that deal we discussed a while back for Georgiev where we got hung up because you wanted a second second round pick and I wasn’t willing to go higher than one?
G: Yeah?
D: You add Georgiev and I’ll give you my best second rounder next year.
G: Hmm... let me talk it over with my people. [Pause.] Okay, Pierre, you have a deal.

To NYR:
3OA
Tkachuk
Chabot
OTT’s highest 2nd rd pick in 2021.

To OTT:
1OA
Strome
Georgiev
Jones
Smith

Sign ADA to one of the variants on a 2- or 4-year deal we’ve been discussing, sign Lemieux to something close to his QO, Hank retries or is bought out, sign Talbot (or someone similar) to a 2-year, sub-$2MM AAV deal, sign a vet insurance left D for something similar.

Tkachuk-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Byfield/Stutzle-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux/Barron-Howden-Gauthier

Chabot-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller/Robertson/Reunanen/vet-ADA

Shesterkin
Talbot (or other vet)

Too big a deal to happen in the current environment, I’m sure, and there’s always the “you don’t want to be the guy who traded away the superstar” factor, which would probably doom it anyway, but these are the sorts of things that go through my mind when I can’t sleep.

I’d do this deal. Lafreniere for Chabot straight up I’d consider, throwing in the 3rd Overall and Tkachuk makes its a no brainer. None of the other pieces are gonna be a deal breaker to me so Georgiev, Jones and Smith wouldn’t be missed. That lineup is a playoff team next year and a contender.

 

[NYR Viper]

This has been discussed before but with the Rangers depth on defense they don't NEED a 25 minute #1LD. They need complimentary pairs. Guys who support eachother. Lindgren-Fox. They need a guy to play with Trouba but that guy doesn't need to be a 25 minute per night LD. It's possible a kid like Reunanen or Miller play well there at ES and don't take the heavy PK time. It's possible they sign a veteran LD like Dillon who compliments Trouba as well and they become the teams shut down pairing.

 

[Trxjw]

Can anyone tell me if we have a 20-25 minute a night Dmen at LD this or next season in our system...?

Again, as high as I am with Miller, Robertson and Jones, they’re all a few years behind that role.

Strome, Chytil, Howden, and Barron will all push for those 2/3/4C positions.

We need a LD. That’s the biggest immediate need in our organization. That’s what I think Gorton targets first and foremost.

I'll echo what @Brooklyn Rangers Fan said in his post. Your really don't know until you know. Folks had a number of options pegged ahead of Lindgren before he made the jump and yet he was the guy who stuck. Reunanen seems to have some fans in the front office so I would imagine he'll get a decent look in camp. He's been playing as a pro for several years now so maybe he surprises. I don't think they're in any rush to get Miller into the NHL but stranger things have happened.

That all being said, I think it's a pretty reasonable expectation that they'll do something to address the LD. It might not be getting that perfect, long-term piece to skate with Trouba but I can't imagine they'll stand pat. Maybe they just bring in a veteran who has 1-2 years left on his deal from a team in cap trouble. Someone they think can reliably sponge up some of those top minutes if Reunanen/Smith cannot handle it.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

This has been discussed before but with the Rangers depth on defense they don't NEED a 25 minute #1LD. They need complimentary pairs. Guys who support eachother. Lindgren-Fox. They need a guy to play with Trouba but that guy doesn't need to be a 25 minute per night LD. It's possible a kid like Reunanen or Miller play well there at ES and don't take the heavy PK time. It's possible they sign a veteran LD like Dillon who compliments Trouba as well and they become the teams shut down pairing.

If you're referring to my sleep-deprived post above, the argument would be that you've created an instant contender and are maximizing your window with Panarin, Zibanejad, and Kreider.

But again, I recognize it's unlikely.

 

[SA16]

This has been discussed before but with the Rangers depth on defense they don't NEED a 25 minute #1LD. They need complimentary pairs. Guys who support eachother. Lindgren-Fox. They need a guy to play with Trouba but that guy doesn't need to be a 25 minute per night LD. It's possible a kid like Reunanen or Miller play well there at ES and don't take the heavy PK time. It's possible they sign a veteran LD like Dillon who compliments Trouba as well and they become the teams shut down pairing.

I like Dillon. I don't think he's going to be cheap though. He's coming off a 5 year deal for ~16M and just was traded for a 2+3 at the deadline.

 

[Trxjw]

This has been discussed before but with the Rangers depth on defense they don't NEED a 25 minute #1LD. They need complimentary pairs. Guys who support eachother. Lindgren-Fox. They need a guy to play with Trouba but that guy doesn't need to be a 25 minute per night LD. It's possible a kid like Reunanen or Miller play well there at ES and don't take the heavy PK time. It's possible they sign a veteran LD like Dillon who compliments Trouba as well and they become the teams shut down pairing.

I don't think Dillon is coming cheap. Even in this climate there aren't many top-4 defensemen on the market. Someone will cough up some money for him. I'm thinking Boston if they can't figure out an OEL trade. They offered Krug something like $6.5m/6yrs. They could easily turn around and give something like that to Dillon.

 

[motopanekeku]

Had this scenario play out in my head lying awake last night (as I do so often with the world burning down around us these days):

Dorion calls Gorton:
D: So, about that interest I expressed in Strome...
G: Yes?
D: What if we combine that idea with my earlier offer for the 1OA?
G: You’re willing to up your offer of the 3OA plus Tkachuk if I include Strome?
D: Exactly.
G: Honestly, Pierre, the only way I move the 1OA is if that add is Chabot.
D: Thought you might say that. But listen, even with Strome added, that’s too much. I’d be giving you you’re first pair left D at 23 years old and locked up long term. I can do it, but I’ll need another piece — one of your left D prospects.
G: Okay, I hear you. Depending on whom you want, we might be able to work something out. Miller and Robertson are off the table, but I’m willing to discuss anyone else.
D: How about the kid from UMass, Jones?
G: I’m reluctant, Pierre. The kid had a first year in the NCAAs that was reminiscent of Fox. But... if you took Smith as well, then I might be open to it.
D: You just paid Stevie a 2nd to take Staal!
G: Yes, but Smith is younger, cheaper, and more versatile. You’ll get more for him at the deadline.
D: Tell ya what, Jeff, remember that deal we discussed a while back for Georgiev where we got hung up because you wanted a second second round pick and I wasn’t willing to go higher than one?
G: Yeah?
D: You add Georgiev and I’ll give you my best second rounder next year.
G: Hmm... let me talk it over with my people. [Pause.] Okay, Pierre, you have a deal.

To NYR:
3OA
Tkachuk
Chabot
OTT’s highest 2nd rd pick in 2021.

To OTT:
1OA
Strome
Georgiev
Jones
Smith

Sign ADA to one of the variants on a 2- or 4-year deal we’ve been discussing, sign Lemieux to something close to his QO, Hank retries or is bought out, sign Talbot (or someone similar) to a 2-year, sub-$2MM AAV deal, sign a vet insurance left D for something similar.

Tkachuk-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Byfield/Stutzle-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux/Barron-Howden-Gauthier

Chabot-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller/Robertson/Reunanen/vet-ADA

Shesterkin
Talbot (or other vet)

Too big a deal to happen in the current environment, I’m sure, and there’s always the “you don’t want to be the guy who traded away the superstar” factor, which would probably doom it anyway, but these are the sorts of things that go through my mind when I can’t sleep.

Lol I think it would go more like

"Hey what about the 1OA for..."
"No."

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Lol I think it would go more like

"Hey what about the 1OA for..."
"No."

As long as I provided some entertainment in these turbulent times.

 

[surlysailor]

Would love to see them lob a $7-8M to a 23 year old Cirelli vs. giving 5 to Strome. Make Tampa work for it.

I'm pretty sure NYR doing any offer sheets are off the table after shipping out the 2nd rounder to offload Staal no?

Edit: Unless it's up to the 6.5 area which would be a 1st and 3rd

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

As long as I provided some entertainment in these turbulent times.

Well, I was absolutely horrified at first, but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. I would still play it safe and not do the trade, but it wouldn´t be terrible.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

SIGNING Krug a good or bad idea .... go

If you think this is a good idea, you should go.

 

[Leetch3]

I'm pretty sure NYR doing any offer sheets are off the table after shipping out the 2nd rounder to offload Staal no?

Edit: Unless it's up to the 6.5 area which would be a 1st and 3rd

less than 6.5 which would be matched...or over 10.9 mil which would be 4 1st round picks. it was never an option but its literally impossible this summer.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

less than 6.5 which would be matched...or over 10.9 mil which would be 4 1st round picks. it was never an option but its literally impossible this summer.

Does it have to be your pick or can it be a 2nd rounder acquired from someone else?

 

[Leetch3]

Does it have to be your pick or can it be a 2nd rounder acquired from someone else?

yes it has to be your own picks...so we'd have to make a trade with det to get our pick back.

 

[surlysailor]

Does it have to be your pick or can it be a 2nd rounder acquired from someone else?

Yes it has to be the NYR 2nd rounder. They can't use another teams 2nd round pick if they acquired one.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Let's be honest, if there ever was an offer sheet which had the possibility of being successful, 2nd round picks wouldn't be the thing holding it up. The only type of these that would ever have a chance of going through is the 4 first rounder tier.