Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part IX: Trying To Reason With The Upcoming Season

[Avery16]

Chris Bigras and Sean Day are both RDs.

Both are listed on hockeydb as LHS. Are you sure?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

he just had 56 point season followed by 58 point all in regular season and he is only 25. I was glad to see McD traded, but hated losing Miller.

At 25 in today's NHL, a player capable of 60+ points has done it. For most player, by 25 you really have 3-4 more uphill seasons. He's good and might improve but it won't be dramatic. Buchnevich is at that point, toward the end of the window.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Both are listed on hockeydb as LHS. Are you sure?

They're left hand shots that can play RD.

Bigras has more experience with it than Day. I'm pretty sure he was playing RD for Hartford last season after they traded for him

 

[Tawnos]

They're left hand shots that can play RD.

Bigras has more experience with it than Day. I'm pretty sure he was playing RD for Hartford last season after they traded for him

In Day's case, it's definitely more of a "can" situation, but Bigras seems more like RD is just the position he plays. He's even listed as an RD on Cap Friendly.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Wow what luck I just happen to know a team with way to many veteran D

Would be a real shame if we had to move Staal

 

[Don Chytil]

Yes ADA would have to pass through waivers. He has to make the roster imo. They cant let a big part of the Stepan trade be let go for nothing. He just needs to show up.

Except that's not how this works. It doesn't matter if he was a part of the Stepan trade or just picked up off waivers, they should make decisions about his future with the team based off of his play alone. I do happen to think DeAngelo deserves a shot to thrive under a new coach, but him being a part of the Stepan trade wouldn't factor into my decision making at all.

 

[haveandare]

Except that's not how this works. It doesn't matter if he was a part of the Stepan trade or just picked up off waivers, they should make decisions about his future with the team based off of his play alone. I do happen to think DeAngelo deserves a shot to thrive under a new coach, but him being a part of the Stepan trade wouldn't factor into my decision making at all.

I think the idea is just asset management, not what specific trade a player is from. If you paid a lot to get a guy, you want to make doubly sure he doesn't have what you need before you risk losing him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Wow what luck I just happen to know a team with way to many veteran D

Would be a real shame if we had to move Staal

Brendan Smith may fit the bill...

 

[Don Chytil]

I think the idea is just asset management, not what specific trade a player is from. If you paid a lot to get a guy, you want to make doubly sure he doesn't have what you need before you risk losing him.

I disagree, at this point the trade is a essentially a sunk cost and your treatment of a player going forward shouldn't differ depending on how you acquired him. To give a prospect extra chances because of how he was acquired would be prioritizing front office egos over the success of the team (which I'd hope we wouldn't do ).

However I would agree that keeping DeAngelo on the team is good asset management - but only because of the fact that he requires waivers to be sent down, not because of how he was acquired.

 

[haveandare]

I disagree, at this point the trade is a essentially a sunk cost and your treatment of a player going forward shouldn't differ depending on how you acquired him. To give a prospect extra chances because of how he was acquired would be prioritizing front office egos over the success of the team (which I'd hope we wouldn't do ).

However I would agree that keeping DeAngelo on the team is good asset management - but only because of the fact that he requires waivers to be sent down, not because of how he was acquired.

I disagree, but that's definitely a fair opinion.

I don't think it's about front office egos really, just good sense. If you paid a lot for something, you better be sure you don't want it before you throw it away.

 

[NYR Viper]

Wasn't he a useful depth d-man for TB? Like #6? 24 years old RD

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Dotchin is solid, I would claim him ASAP

His underlying numbers are respectable

 

[Thirty One]

Wow what luck I just happen to know a team with way to many veteran D

Would be a real shame if we had to move Staal

I would be willing to move McQuaid for a 2nd.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dotchin is solid, I would claim him ASAP

His underlying numbers are respectable

I agree. He also plays with a bit of an edge to him

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if something showed up in his blood test

 

[EpicDing]

Dotchin waived for "material breach of contract." Same way LA got out of the Mike Richards deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

 

[East Coast Bias]

He showed up in a Brendan Smith Wings throwback jersey, with Mika's new single as his entrance music.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Wow what luck I just happen to know a team with way to many veteran D

Would be a real shame if we had to move Staal

Would love to hoodwink Chia into taking Staal, just can’t see Staal being ok with it haha.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would love to hoodwink Chia into taking Staal, just can’t see Staal being ok with it haha.

Brendan Smith would be the guy that comes to mind for me. Looking for a fresh start. That team could use a motivated Smith. I wonder if the Rangers have eyes for Lucic with $$ retained

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Why didn't we do this with Smith last season?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Wasn't he a useful depth d-man for TB? Like #6? 24 years old RD

He sucks. He played some with Hedman that made him look better than he was, but otherwise couldn’t even keep a lineup spot.

 

[I Eat Crow]

He showed up in a Brendan Smith Wings throwback jersey, with Mika's new single as his entrance music.

I woke up my son laughing so hard

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Brendan Smith would be the guy that comes to mind for me. Looking for a fresh start. That team could use a motivated Smith. I wonder if the Rangers have eyes for Lucic with $$ retained

I doubt it, I remember a report or something from earlier in the off-season that basically said the Rangers don’t really want to take on money with term (with the idea of possibly being players in the 2019 FA market)

 

[RangerBoy]

I didn’t read those articles, so I have no way of knowing if you’re quoting them accurately, but eliminating the escalator wouldn’t eliminate escrow. It would reduce player contributions to escrow. So instead of whatever 14% withholding I think it was at it’s peak, it might only be something like 5%. And the players would have a better chance of getting all of their contributions back, plus even a possible payment from the owners. There are years where that still wouldn’t happen.

Escrow is in place to ensure that the split is a real 50% after each season is complete. You can’t do that without it. The only reason the owners don’t have their own escrow is because they have the financial leverage to ensure the players get their half, if it comes to that, without having to set the money aside. (I’m not saying you don’t know this... just a bit of exposition)

Escrow isn’t going to be eliminated, but eliminating the escalator would reduce it. So would rewriting the calculation that determines what percentage the players contribute to it.

The % of escrow will be significantly less with without the escalator. The cap is the cap based on actual revenue. How much escrow is involved in that scenario? The same players who wanted nothing to do with a salary cap and lost an entire season have been complaining about escrow ever since the cap became part of NHL. The NBA players have escrow but you don’t hear about them complaining about it every single year. Stop artificially raising the cap and complaining about escrow when the players are getting more than 50% which sees the NHL players lose a certain % of their salaries.