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The only good thing about Staal and Girardi contracts is the lesson learned for the next GM, and the future GM. Spend it wisely. You can kill your future lineup with a few bad ones.
Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes
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I don't see why a team would be interested. Even retained, that's a long contract.
The only team I could remotely think of is Minnesota with not too many major RFAs and a glut of RD. Still, even if they were interested, I don't see any reason they go for a trade instead of just waiting for a buyout when they know it's going to happen sooner or later.
By the way, did ANYONE see the Girardi and Staal contracts as anything other than bad news at the time of signing?
The only team I could remotely think of is Minnesota with not too many major RFAs and a glut of RD. Still, even if they were interested, I don't see any reason they go for a trade instead of just waiting for a buyout when they know it's going to happen sooner or later.
By the way, did ANYONE see the Girardi and Staal contracts as anything other than bad news at the time of signing?
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Maybe, but these are easy decisions with the benefit of hindsight. When we resigned Girardi we had a new coach who had an awful start but then picked up, we had just traded our Captain, and we hadn't been good in a long time. Girardi wasn't old and was playing OK hockey at the time. Slats might have been shopping him at that time. I think it's important to remember that we didn't know whether we had a play-off capable team or not at that time. It wasn't an easy decision to take one for the future right there and then.
That team ended up going deep and Girardi was a part of that.
The Staal decision wasn't easy either.
If Gorton can still get signatures for shorter than 6y deals and preferably no NMCs that's great. But to some extent bad deals are also the cost for doing business. If you look at LAK and Chicago for example -- they have signed a ton of worthless contracts. Obviously the key to winning a Cup isn't to stay away from bad deals, if you get what I mean. Sometimes something that will come back and hurt you is what it takes...
Not too sure Kerfoot will be an NHL player right away.
In the case that Andersson doesn't make the team out of camp and no other C signed, I don't think Miller would be terrible if he was surrounded by Nash and Zucc, linemates that can help cover the defensive side. Those three could be pretty dynamic together offensively and it would spread the depth out nice.
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If Girardi got that deal I agree Staal would . I think he plays this year then they eat 50 to someone
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Detroit is a mess because they refused to accept that they needed to make some changes to their lineup and approach, not because they sold it all for a cup a decade ago
e: misunderstood what you were saying. I think Detroit just hasn't really been valuing the right kind of players lately
e: misunderstood what you were saying. I think Detroit just hasn't really been valuing the right kind of players lately
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Btw, I May have been a bit Unclear. I have not heard that Marc Staal is getting bought out. I heard the Rangers are now actively trying to shop him. And/or Holden. If he is not traded, there is a possibility he might get bought out. That I also heard. I myself hope that is the case, and it is apparently being looked into, but it is definitely not managements first option. I think the price might be a bit Steep, otherwise it depends on the eventual Holden Return I presume. So pls do not get your hopes up due to what I heard.
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Old boys club. Held on too long and also handed out some detrimental contracts for long and due service. Logical but results also inevitable in a salary cap era
Still think it would be real interesting if they traded/bought out both Holden and Staal. Kind of doubt they'd move Holden though if they managed to trade Staal. Can't see them being thrilled about running two more rookies on the 3rd pairing or in the lineup
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Can definitely see Vancouver not making the playoffs again. Can also see the Blues finally missing the playoffs. They are a very different team than they were three years ago. A lot of that room is gone. Backes, Oshie, Shattenkirk.
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Can definitely see Vancouver not making the playoffs again. Can also see the Blues finally missing the playoffs. They are a very different team than they were three years ago. A lot of that room is gone. Backes, Oshie, Shattenkirk.
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I didn't. I said Girardi still had value to other teams (obviously, he did) and that he should be the one traded + salary retained and Staal should be bought out.
I'll bet Gorton has been trying to move both these guys since last summer. Staal was the worse player this last season, with the worst contract, with a longer term, with a full NMC.
The Rangers bought out the wrong player. Would someone sign Staal for a year or two? Sure. But he's a 7th D at this point unless something drastically changes.
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why do people think Staal was worse? Girardi was terrible and a couple of hits and a few solid shifts in the playoffs doesn't mean he was "good"
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Girardi had no trade value to other teams. The only value he had was as a player that costs nothing in exchange. Thus the buyout. Why are people so convinced Gorton didn't try or try hard enough to trade him?
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It's pretty safe to say that if Girardi and Staal had trade value - and Gorton wanted to trade them - they would be traded. Clearly nobody wants them (in the case of Girardi so far at least) even if he retains or in order to take them they want Gorton to give up a legitimate pick or prospect which he doesn't want to do. I highly doubt Gorton is just going straight to the buyout as his first option.
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