Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Good chart.

Really, if you figure you can replace Staal for the next 3 years with a player on a cheap ELC, there is no reason NOT to buy him out.

We look at the dead money and recoil in horror -- my gosh, how can we pay that much for a player not on the roster!! But the buyout number plus the ELC nets us less cap hit and a better player for the next four years than if we just kept Staal.

And who cares about the 1.4, or 1.3 million the last four years? That's peanuts.

Holden is better than Staal lol. Bereglazov might be that ELC guy. I still don't think it happens.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You can post it as many times as you like, but you won't convince me that a buyout is better than trading him, and until Gorton has exhausted every trade possibility, Staal shouldn't be bought out. We don't need the cap space this year.

The idea that he needs to be bought out to take away AV's "toys" is ludicrous. If Gorton believes there is a problem with how AV is using the players, and they can't reconcile their differences, Gorton should fire AV. It's as simple as that.

I believe teams are supposed to seek a trade before buying players out in general.

 

[mas0764]

Holden is better than Staal lol. Bereglazov might be that ELC guy. I still don't think it happens.

We'd have four years of living with pretty sizeable cap hits from Staal before it peters off to 1.4 mil.

Bereglazov, DeAngelo and Pionk are all under contract for 2 more years at cheap rates (sub-$1m). Day is under contract for 3 years.

So we can get most of the way there. That last year will be tough with raises kicking in, but hopefully in 4 years the cap has gone up a bit. Smith may have to be dealt by then.

Of course, either way, we aren't gonna have a lot of room for free agents or taking on money in a trade between now and then without moving someone. So internal improvement better be realistic.

 

[Levitate]

Pretty sure guys like DeAngelo, and Pionk are prime candidates for bridge deals and it's probably unlikely they perform well enough to hit the big payday that early. Bereglazov could be different as he's older and would be 26 when his deal is up...might take a 1 year deal to get to free agency, might want something longer term and bigger or head back to the KHL depending on how he's used etc.

Then again all 3 of them becoming highly successful NHLers might be a stretch

e: if they bought out Staal and traded Holden it sure would be interesting to see a rookie 3rd pairing. IN a fun but probably also frustrating at times way. Bereglazov/DeAngelo all day

e2: oh yeah if they bought out Staal they could also be looking to open up even more cap space for some kind of move. It'd probably be a pretty big one if that was the case though

 

[Graves94]

Is that necessarily a bad thing though? It could be argued that this team has gotten a little complacent. I think the players and coaches have even said that before. Feels like they've gone into elimination games with the feeling of "no problem, we'll win" because they've done it in the past but it didn't work out so well the past couple of times.

Management has talked about the need to shake some things up, could be another part of that process.

The other thing is that you don't want to be paying a guy $5.7 mill per year to be veteran leadership and basically nothing else.

Beyond that, it's not like the Rangers are bereft of veteran players and leadership at this point. Still lots of guys who have been there and done that

I'm in favor of trading Staal, because he doesn't bring much to the table and his salary will cripple the team moving forward. All I'm saying, is that you can't get rid of all your veterans, who have been leaders all at the same time. It's no coincidence that the years we were closest to winning the Cup was been we had a "slow" Richards and an "over the hill" St.Louis. They still brought something to the team, and if you get rid of these types of players, they need to be replaced, with productive ones. Klein was a perfect example...

You need leadership and character to win, and I'm sorry, but those words don't scream out at me when I hear, Zib, Vesey, Hayes, Shatty...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm in favor of trading Staal, because he doesn't bring much to the table and his salary will cripple the team moving forward. All I'm saying, is that you can't get rid of all your veterans, who have been leaders all at the same time. It's no coincidence that the years we were closest to winning the Cup was been we had a "slow" Richards and an "over the hill" St.Louis. They still brought something to the team, and if you get rid of these types of players, they need to be replaced, with productive ones. Klein was a perfect example...

You need leadership and character to win, and I'm sorry, but those words don't scream out at me when I hear, Zib, Vesey, Hayes, Shatty...

Richards and Marty were still useful players when this team went to the finals.

Staal is abysmal. Buying him out would be addition by subtraction. Worried about leadership? You can find it for much cheaper.

 

[JimmyG89]

The Rangers will have a ton of money committed to the Staal and Girardi buyouts. $4.7M. $5.7M. $6.7M. $5M. The next 4 years. The Rangers will need those entry level contracts to make things work. Any cap increase will go towards the buyout cap space.

They will have the ELCs to make it work:

Andersson, Chytil, Day, Pionk, DeAngelo, Gropp.

They'll have guys on cheap deals to compensate.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The team still has Hank, Zucc, McDonagh, and Nash as veteran presences. Shattenkirk is a great locker room guy. Most of the young guys grew up in US hockey together. It really shouldn't be an issue.

 

[EpicDing]

I'm in favor of trading Staal, because he doesn't bring much to the table and his salary will cripple the team moving forward. All I'm saying, is that you can't get rid of all your veterans, who have been leaders all at the same time. It's no coincidence that the years we were closest to winning the Cup was been we had a "slow" Richards and an "over the hill" St.Louis. They still brought something to the team, and if you get rid of these types of players, they need to be replaced, with productive ones. Klein was a perfect example...

You need leadership and character to win, and I'm sorry, but those words don't scream out at me when I hear, Zib, Vesey, Hayes, Shatty...

How about when you hear Lundqvist, McDonagh, Zuccarello, Kreider, Smith, Nash?

 

[eco's bones]

I don't see how staal buyout makes sense.

Play him as your third pairing left D. If he bounces back trade him when his value is high.

If he's awful then buy him out next summer.

But doing it now is overkill imo. I'd rather deal Holden

There are 7-8-9 better options for D next year than Staal at least IMO. It's sad. He gave a lot for the team but he has declined a lot and even if he did bounce back some to the point he could be a respectable third pairing defenseman--his making $5.7 mil for the next 4 season makes him not a very tradable commodity. If I'm looking around for someone to play 15 minutes a night on my third pair--his making that kind of cash kind of kills him as an option. Just saying.

We have a bunch of young D on the cusp or a couple years away who will come a lot cheaper and provide more value on and off the ice that should more than offset paying off Staal and Girardi. The time to pull the plug on Staal is now.

Not against moving Holden either but Holden is easily a better player than Staal.

 

[Graves94]

How about when you hear Lundqvist, McDonagh, Zuccarello, Kreider, Smith, Nash?

Yeah, reading the posts here, half of those guys will be gone within the year...lol

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I find it hard to believe they couldn't find a taker for Staal even eating 50%.. Its his NMC that's the issue.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I find it hard to believe they couldn't find a taker for Staal even eating 50%.. Its his NMC that's the issue.

Here's the thing, though: if you're another GM, why pay an asset for Staal at $2.85MM x 4 years, when you can likely wait for the Rangers to buy him out and get him for less AAV and less term?

It only makes sense if you can dump a contract in return that you don't like.

I too am in favor of trading him with money retained if we can. But given that the effect of waiting a year to buy him out is almost negligible, if we fail to find a deal between now and the close of the window, I'm good with buying him out.

 

[EpicDing]

Yeah, reading the posts here, half of those guys will be gone within the year...lol

Because people posting on a forum determine the direction of the team. Smith was just signed 4 years. Kreider is going nowhere. Skjei will join that group in a year or 2. Hank is a Ranger for life.

 

[Irishguy42]

The NMC/NTC persists even once he's traded.

Even at $2.885M for four years, teams will not like his clause(s).

I fully believe Gorton has looked at all of the trade options available. And I doubt someone will actively look to trade for him. So Gorton has to go out and find a buyer. And I don't think anyone is looking to buy.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would be excited if they pull the trigger on a buy out but I'm not hopeful

Not shocked that no one wants Staal. Guy is cooked. He'll get another contract though with less term. If Girardi can get 3 million, Staal probably could as well

 

[eco's bones]

Rangers have slightly over $3 mil cap space to work with.

If Bozak's $4.2 mil is their target and Holden is the only major NHL contract going back to Toronto (the rest of the return prospects and/or draft picks) then the Rangers are pretty much up against the cap ceiling. 400K or thereabouts is not a lot of wiggle room--and then there is the salary of the player who replaces Holden.

Saving some cap space from a buyout Staal gives the Rangers a better shot at landing a better center which IMO is our biggest need.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The contract length is just too much of a problem for other organizations. If the Rangers signed Staal at 4 years for 2.85 I can't imagine people would be happy about it, so why would another organization want that deal?. Either he's bought out or he is kept IMO

 

[Gardner McKay]

The contract length is just too much of a problem for other organizations. If the Rangers signed Staal at 4 years for 2.85 I can't imagine people would be happy about it, so why would another organization want that deal?. Either he's bought out or he is kept IMO

You, and others said the same thing about Dan Girardi. He just got a 2 year deal for 3 million per and reports were that multiple teams wanted him.

I assume there would be no shortage of interest in Staal if he were bought out.

 

[boxhamster]

Why Bozak? He is in his last Year of his 4,2 Million Contract and is 31 Years old. Next Year he wants maybe a 4-6 Year for 5,5 -6 Million.

That makes no sense for me.

 

[DanielBrassard]

You, and others said the same thing about Dan Girardi. He just got a 2 year deal for 3 million per and reports were that multiple teams wanted him.

I assume there would be no shortage of interest in Staal if he were bought out.

That's the point, Girardi got 2 years. A lot different than a 4 year commitment, or even that extra third season. We could have eaten half of Girardi's contract and Tampa could have had him for a lesser caphit, but didn't do that. What team wants to be stuck with Staal for 4 years?

I'm sure he'd have some interest for himself, but not at a price that Rangers can give another team

 

[Gardner McKay]

That's the point, Girardi got 2 years. A lot different than a 4 year commitment, or even that extra third season. We could have eaten half of Girardi's contract and Tampa could have had him for a lesser caphit, but didn't do that. What team wants to be stuck with Staal for 4 years?

I'm sure he'd have some interest for himself, but not at a price that Rangers can give another team

My apologies. I completely misread what you said the first time.

 

[McD37]

Why Bozak? He is in his last Year of his 4,2 Million Contract and is 31 Years old. Next Year he wants maybe a 4-6 Year for 5,5 -6 Million.

That makes no sense for me.

They would bring Bozak just for this season. Next year Lias Andersson should be ready for 3C so there will be no need to resign Bozak.

 

[Thirty One]

Why Bozak? He is in his last Year of his 4,2 Million Contract and is 31 Years old. Next Year he wants maybe a 4-6 Year for 5,5 -6 Million.

That makes no sense for me.

What are your standards for a potential Holden trade?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

My apologies. I completely misread what you said the first time.

I'm sorry, this is an internet forum. Such posts are not allowed here.