Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

[bleedblue94]

Leaf fans must be just rolling right now. Murray vs Talbot hahaha

Also burke says the penguins did offer Malkin 4 years and he turned it down. Wtf do people think he's going to accept here? He's 36 at the end of July!!!

 

[Thirty One]

Seems like it’s a PR move at this point from the Flames perspective. They won’t trade his rights. They’ve made sure that 8x9.5 offer was known.

They want it very clear to the fans that he didn’t want to come back.

I feel like trading UFA rights happens less and returns less now that no one cares about tampering.

 

[bleedblue94]

If he gets to ufa and they lose the 8 year kicker he is absolutely gone

 

[LOFIN]

That’s why we need to ready ourselves for the possibility that he goes for less than we expect. I mentioned it a few pages back but Kakko + Nemeth for JT is a legit possibility imo

Would be horrible to to be honest. Not like the Rangers are a JT Miller away to win a cup IMO. But given the ownership, I doubt Drury is really committed to long patience either. He's not going to screw all his assets away but wants to compete and unfortunately I think you are right.

 

[bleedblue94]

I guess Guerin does care

Or he wanted the cap space just as much. Gustavsson showed well in the NHL on some bad teams. He could be a nice piece behind fleury for a couple years

 

[McRanger92]

Would be horrible to to be honest. Not like the Rangers are a JT Miller away to win a cup IMO. But given the ownership, I doubt Drury is really committed to long patience either. He's not going to screw all his assets away but wants to compete and unfortunately I think you are right.

Clearly the guy who is holding onto Hajek & Gauthier is going to “screw all our assets away”. Come on.

I know it’s not popular to criticize Kakko but he’s another injury plagued or unproductive season away from not being an asset. Better to trade him a year early than a year late, especially when we have a surplus on the wings.

 

[Tob]

These goalie trades and the eventual goalie carousel is going to be fun to watch next year. Seems like Dorion with a big W but really, if Talbot sucks next year because the OTT defense is suspect and young and if Murray bounces back decently, at least as good as Campbell then the optics are all different. Leafs got assets for a good serviceable starter without taking on huge cap hits and protected their future contract problems with Matthews and Nylander.

 

[McRanger92]

These goalie trades and the eventual goalie carousel is going to be fun to watch next year. Seems like Dorion with a big W but really, if Talbot sucks next year because the OTT defense is suspect and young and if Murray bounces back decently, at least as good as Campbell then the optics are all different. Leafs got assets for a good serviceable starter without taking on huge cap hits and protected their future contract problems with Matthews and Nylander.

4-5 teams have elite goalies who actually make a difference, and the other 25 teams are playing whack a mole every year hoping someone dime a dozen guy can get hot enough to not cost them a playoff series

 

[LOFIN]

Clearly the guy who is holding onto Hajek & Gauthier is going to “screw all our assets away”. Come on.

I know it’s not popular to criticize Kakko but he’s another injury plagued or unproductive season away from not being an asset. Better to trade him a year early than a year late, especially when we have a surplus on the wings.

Look, I'm not even here trying to defend Kakko for why he should be kept by the Rangers. If Kravtsov actually hits, he's (Kakko) pretty much expandable in this cap situation. My point is why trade him when his value is basically nill and you will get nothing in return but cap space? If you think Winnipeg is trading PLD for Kakko and some pick, bad news for you. I also doubt the strength in the wings is as strong as you suppose but whatever.

Now, if Drury is going after Kadri for 7 years at 8m then I guess you can trade Kakko for just capspace...

 

[bbny]

Leaf fans must be just rolling right now. Murray vs Talbot hahaha

Also burke says the penguins did offer Malkin 4 years and he turned it down. Wtf do people think he's going to accept here? He's 36 at the end of July!!!

4 years but at what cap hit?

 

[LOFIN]

These goalie trades and the eventual goalie carousel is going to be fun to watch next year. Seems like Dorion with a big W but really, if Talbot sucks next year because the OTT defense is suspect and young and if Murray bounces back decently, at least as good as Campbell then the optics are all different. Leafs got assets for a good serviceable starter without taking on huge cap hits and protected their future contract problems with Matthews and Nylander.

It was a bad trade by Dubas and the only way around that is if they win the cup. No way Ottawa shouldn't have had more retention.

 

[and 99 others]

What has he done to make you feel he's amazing?

I didn't say either.

I said he was dangerous at this stage because he's new and we're at a vital crossroads.

Saying Drury is "dangerous" carries an implication that you don't trust what he's going to do.

Goodrow, Copp, Vatrano, Motte, hell even Reaves (more for team chemistry, not hockey playing ability) were all great moves that helped the Rangers get to the Eastern Conference Finals in his first year as GM. Sure, he inherited some really great moves by Gorton, but Drury actively made the team better than it was from the previous season.

 

[bleedblue94]

4 years but at what cap hit?

I'm sure it was at least 20m for at least a 5aav. Either way are you carrying Malkin at age 40 for a 5mil cap hit? He is 36 years old in two weeks. If he retires the cap hit doesn't go away bc it's a 35+ contract.

 

[McRanger92]

Look, I'm not even here trying to defend Kakko for why he should be kept by the Rangers. If Kravtsov actually hits, he's (Kakko) pretty much expandable in this cap situation. My point is why trade him when his value is basically nill and you will get nothing in return but cap space? If you think Winnipeg is trading PLD for Kakko and some pick, bad news for you. I also doubt the strength in the wings is as strong as you suppose but whatever.

Now, if Drury is going after Kadri for 7 years at 8m then I guess you can trade Kakko for just capspace...

I agree with all of this. I’ll go as far as to say that Drury probably looks at Kakko and thinks “Can kravtsov and/or Othmann give me what Kakko did last year” the answer imo is yes on both. That’s why he’s moveable if it facilitates a move for a real 2C

 

[Tob]

It was a bad trade by Dubas and the only way around that is if they win the cup. No way Ottawa shouldn't have had more retention.

probably speaks to how little Dubas cares about future assets if his seat is this hot and how much the upcoming FA deadline for figuring out his goalie situation is. Better to get it done than go into FA without a goalie or a target

 

[McRanger92]

Saying Drury is "dangerous" carries an implication that you don't trust what he's going to do.

Goodrow, Copp, Vatrano, Motte, hell even Reaves (more for team chemistry, not hockey playing ability) were all great moves that helped the Rangers get to the Eastern Conference Finals in his first year as GM. Sure, he inherited some really great moves by Gorton, but Drury actively made the team better than it was from the previous season.

The coach he hired also did a pretty damn good job getting this team to sack up and play to their talent level I’d say

 

[LORDE]

Saying Drury is "dangerous" carries an implication that you don't trust what he's going to do.

Goodrow, Copp, Vatrano, Motte, hell even Reaves (more for team chemistry, not hockey playing ability) were all great moves that helped the Rangers get to the Eastern Conference Finals in his first year as GM. Sure, he inherited some really great moves by Gorton, but Drury actively made the team better than it was from the previous season.

Gorton would be dangerous now as well. Any GM would be.

A rebuild is fairly easy at the stage of selling everything for picks.

Making those picks correctly is harder.

Developing those kids is harder still.

Making trades when you don't know which kids are keepers and which aren't is MUCH harder. Much.

Doing so in a cap league when you have already locked in a massive % of that cap to 6 players... all with clauses, is damn near impossible.

 

[LOFIN]

I agree with all of this. I’ll go as far as to say that Drury probably looks at Kakko and thinks “Can kravtsov and/or Othmann give me what Kakko did last year” the answer imo is yes on both. That’s why he’s moveable if it facilitates a move for a real 2C

The thing is, this would have to wait until we actually play and see those guys at work. Might also give get some more value for Kakko, and make more pressure for trading JT or Kane or whoever. Would also give a chance to see if Chytil can continue where he left off?

I just don't think we are in a position to make a big move yet, not before we are well on our way for the season.

 

[Circus86]

Cam Talbot traded to Senators

Lmao at leafs board. "Talbot isn't even that good, Murray has a higher ceiling"

 

[Thirty One]

probably speaks to how little Dubas cares about future assets if his seat is this hot and how much the upcoming FA deadline for figuring out his goalie situation is. Better to get it done than go into FA without a goalie or a target

I feel like if he didn't care about the future, he would give Campbell a 7-year deal at a similar AAV as he's paying Campbell.

 

[NYR Viper]

A guy who has been very quiet is Vatrano. A similar type of player in Hinostrozza just took a 1 year deal at $1.8m. Vatrano has a bit more offense to his game but defensively he leaves something to be desired. I think I’d rather a few other targets be pursued that are likely to be available, namely Milano, Raffl, Motte and a few others but Vatrano on a short deal may not be so bad either.

 

[McRanger92]

The thing is, this would have to wait until we actually play and see those guys at work. Might also give get some more value for Kakko, and make more pressure for trading JT or Kane or whoever. Would also give a chance to see if Chytil can continue where he left off?

I just don't think we are in a position to make a big move yet, not before we are well on our way for the season.

I think they are clearly ready for win-now move. What are we waiting for? Every player with a chance to contribute in the organization is available to play next year. They just went through a deep run. If we had a working 2nd line, we might even have won the Cup last yeae. They gave us every reason to believe in their mental fortitude . The iron is hot.

 

[rangers1314]

A guy who has been very quiet is Vatrano. A similar type of player in Hinostrozza just took a 1 year deal at $1.8m. Vatrano has a bit more offense to his game but defensively he leaves something to be desired. I think I’d rather a few other targets be pursued that are likely to be available, namely Milano, Raffl, Motte and a few others but Vatrano on a short deal may not be so bad either.

Agreed. He might be that type of guy who gets squeezed and doesn’t find the multi year money he wants on the market.

If it’s 1 year term, I’d take Frank back all day. It’s hard to find guys who can score, and he can. Even if it’s all he can do.

 

[CLW]

Clearly the guy who is holding onto Hajek & Gauthier is going to “screw all our assets away”. Come on.

I know it’s not popular to criticize Kakko but he’s another injury plagued or unproductive season away from not being an asset. Better to trade him a year early than a year late, especially when we have a surplus on the wings.

Maybe. But Vancouver is not going to accept Kakko + cap dump Nemeth for their PPG 1C. The Nucks are in the playoffs with the form they showed after Boudreau took over. One year of JT is going to cost serious coin, much more than a rather big cap dump and a "disappointing" youngster. Why would the Canucks care about the Rangers cap trouble? From their pov they have to trade him as if the Rangers plan to sort it out and give him an extension, ie full value, and relative to the value he has as a core piece of revenue if they keep him and make the post-season (much more than Kakko+Nemeth in $ terms).

 

[NYRFAN218]

Dreger on Insider Trading saying "for the right fit and an opportunity to win" Malkin would consider a shorter term contract.