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First player born in Germany to play in an NHL game.
Centred the Bulldog Line.
Was a true Workhorse/Warhorse.
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Possibly the strongest Ranger on skates I ever saw. I'll never forget when Espo lined him up for a blindside check and Espo crashed to the ice and he was insanely difficult to move.

Pavelich was similar in that way. Nystrom lined him up to blast him, At the last second, Pav saw him and sent him flying.
 
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Perhaps a bit of conspiracy theory here, but I think there’s some logic to it…

Do we think NYR might be potentially limiting Laf’s PP1 time to help with the cap situation going forward? If you put him on PP1 at the bumper vs. Trocheck, how many incremental goals is that going to lead to across the season? Given how inconsequential that position is on our power play, adding talent there probably doesn’t add that much offensive output. If the difference between someone like Laff and Trocheck is ~3 goals on the season, are those 3 goals really worth Laf adding 20 more points to his season total and the salary demands that go with it?

Am I claiming Drury is trying to totally
screw over the kids in ice time for the sake of forcing them into smaller contracts? Not willing to go that far, because 5v5 it doesn’t make sense to do that at all. But if they’re not going to provide *that* much incremental output on the PP, why give them relatively meaningless points someone else (who is already signed long term) will get otherwise?

Not to mention, if you’re Chris Drury who just signed the Trocheck contract, you don’t mind the air cover that comes with throwing 20 extra PP points his way. Makes that contract look that much better (even if that’s a bit misleading).

Cliffs - giving empty points to an already signed Trocheck makes more sense than to a Laf who we may need to sign cheap long-term to keep our window as open as possible. They’re only empty points, after all.
 
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I don't think I have an issue with Blais on the top RW spot and Cheese on line 2 RW

I like the idea of rolling three potential scoring lines and if the 1st and 2nd overall picks are going to break out as we all hope and expect, tjat is going to cause all sorts of match up problems for the opposition.
 
I don't think I have an issue with Blais on the top RW spot and Cheese on line 2 RW

I like the idea of rolling three potential scoring lines and if the 1st and 2nd overall picks are going to break out as we all hope and expect, tjat is going to cause all sorts of match up problems for the opposition.
Kravtsov’s nickname is Cheese now? 😂
 
Othmann's got a lot to like as a prospect. A lot. But you are more than correct. Not only does he belong in the OHL again this year (AHL would be better but not possible), but Othmann still has a lot of work to do off the puck. He still floats a bunch out there. And beyond that, there are little things in his game that just won't fly in the pros. Dangerous passes, not getting the puck out of the zone, straying in the d zone. I would be shocked if Othmann is able to throw a switch and clean up his game in a way that Gallant is comfortable with. Gallant and Dave Cameron (Team Canada coach at WJCs) are buddies. Beyond that, similar mentality when it comes to players cleaning up their game away from the puck. And Cameron didn't fully trust Othmann out there. In fact, from the interviews I've heard with Cameron. while he seems to like a bunch of Othmann's skills and attributes, I get the sense he doesn't love him as a player.

Cameron, on the other hand, was effusive about Cuylle, who is a far more dependable player at this stage, but offensively doesn't have some of the things Othmann has. Point being, Othmann's gotta focus on getting stronger, quicker and becoming a 200 ft player this year. It's a must. He needs to start doing all the little things right or his transition to the pro game may take longer than all of us expect. Regardless, he's gotta go back to Juniors this season.

Do you think playing in the OHL, where he will be the best player on his team and relied on to push the offense, is likely to improve his play away from the puck?
 
Do you think playing in the OHL, where he will be the best player on his team and relied on to push the offense, is likely to improve his play away from the puck?
In a vacuum, no, but I have to believe that everyone and their brother is, or will be, in his ear about improving that area of his game. So even though he is relied on to drive the offense, maybe he won't cheat as much to get it. It's up to him. He still has things to learn and he can learn them there if he goes into it with the right attitude and work ethic.

In any case, it's a moot point. It's extremely unlikely that he'll make the Rangers this year, and he can't go to the AHL. He has no other option. Make the most of it.
 
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Possibly the strongest Ranger on skates I ever saw. I'll never forget when Espo lined him up for a blindside check and Espo crashed to the ice and he was insanely difficult to move.

Pavelich was similar in that way. Nystrom lined him up to blast him, At the last second, Pav saw him and sent him flying
Possibly the strongest Ranger on skates I ever saw. I'll never forget when Espo lined him up for a blindside check and Espo crashed to the ice and he was insanely difficult to move.

Pavelich was similar in that way. Nystrom lined him up to blast him, At the last second, Pav saw him and sent him flying.
Always one of my favorite Rangers. Never took off a shift.
 
Perhaps a bit of conspiracy theory here, but I think there’s some logic to it…

Do we think NYR might be potentially limiting Laf’s PP1 time to help with the cap situation going forward? If you put him on PP1 at the bumper vs. Trocheck, how many incremental goals is that going to lead to across the season? Given how inconsequential that position is on our power play, adding talent there probably doesn’t add that much offensive output. If the difference between someone like Laff and Trocheck is ~3 goals on the season, are those 3 goals really worth Laf adding 20 more points to his season total and the salary demands that go with it?

Am I claiming Drury is trying to totally
screw over the kids in ice time for the sake of forcing them into smaller contracts? Not willing to go that far, because 5v5 it doesn’t make sense to do that at all. But if they’re not going to provide *that* much incremental output on the PP, why give them relatively meaningless points someone else (who is already signed long term) will get otherwise?

Not to mention, if you’re Chris Drury who just signed the Trocheck contract, you don’t mind the air cover that comes with throwing 20 extra PP points his way. Makes that contract look that much better (even if that’s a bit misleading).

Cliffs - giving empty points to an already signed Trocheck makes more sense than to a Laf who we may need to sign cheap long-term to keep our window as open as possible. They’re only empty points, after all.
Please, no conspiracy theories. It's ridiculous to think a team would hurt their chances to save money. The cap will work itself out. That's why they hire professionals to do the job. Watch the games, enjoy all the winning.
 
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Perhaps a bit of conspiracy theory here, but I think there’s some logic to it…

Do we think NYR might be potentially limiting Laf’s PP1 time to help with the cap situation going forward? If you put him on PP1 at the bumper vs. Trocheck, how many incremental goals is that going to lead to across the season? Given how inconsequential that position is on our power play, adding talent there probably doesn’t add that much offensive output. If the difference between someone like Laff and Trocheck is ~3 goals on the season, are those 3 goals really worth Laf adding 20 more points to his season total and the salary demands that go with it?

Am I claiming Drury is trying to totally
screw over the kids in ice time for the sake of forcing them into smaller contracts? Not willing to go that far, because 5v5 it doesn’t make sense to do that at all. But if they’re not going to provide *that* much incremental output on the PP, why give them relatively meaningless points someone else (who is already signed long term) will get otherwise?

Not to mention, if you’re Chris Drury who just signed the Trocheck contract, you don’t mind the air cover that comes with throwing 20 extra PP points his way. Makes that contract look that much better (even if that’s a bit misleading).

Cliffs - giving empty points to an already signed Trocheck makes more sense than to a Laf who we may need to sign cheap long-term to keep our window as open as possible. They’re only empty points, after all.

GMs and coaches only care about winning.

Coaches care about a specific season because success equals money and respect.

GMs have to keep their eyes on the future, too, but even if a GM was stupid enough to try and restrict usage of a player to keep his future salary down, the coach would rebel against it.

There are situations where GMs are only trying to spend less money because of management, but that's certainly not the case with the Rangers. That stuff does happen with some baseball franchises and you have to wonder if the Coyotes play it that way.
 
Othmann's got a lot to like as a prospect. A lot. But you are more than correct. Not only does he belong in the OHL again this year (AHL would be better but not possible), but Othmann still has a lot of work to do off the puck. He still floats a bunch out there. And beyond that, there are little things in his game that just won't fly in the pros. Dangerous passes, not getting the puck out of the zone, straying in the d zone. I would be shocked if Othmann is able to throw a switch and clean up his game in a way that Gallant is comfortable with. Gallant and Dave Cameron (Team Canada coach at WJCs) are buddies. Beyond that, similar mentality when it comes to players cleaning up their game away from the puck. And Cameron didn't fully trust Othmann out there. In fact, from the interviews I've heard with Cameron. while he seems to like a bunch of Othmann's skills and attributes, I get the sense he doesn't love him as a player.

Cameron, on the other hand, was effusive about Cuylle, who is a far more dependable player at this stage, but offensively doesn't have some of the things Othmann has. Point being, Othmann's gotta focus on getting stronger, quicker and becoming a 200 ft player this year. It's a must. He needs to start doing all the little things right or his transition to the pro game may take longer than all of us expect. Regardless, he's gotta go back to Juniors this season.

Othmann’s game right now seems to have some similarities to young JT Miller. Both trying to break into Cup contender Ranger teams too. Funny how history can repeat itself.

(Not an indictment of eithers character)
 
Othmann's got a lot to like as a prospect. A lot. But you are more than correct. Not only does he belong in the OHL again this year (AHL would be better but not possible), but Othmann still has a lot of work to do off the puck. He still floats a bunch out there. And beyond that, there are little things in his game that just won't fly in the pros. Dangerous passes, not getting the puck out of the zone, straying in the d zone. I would be shocked if Othmann is able to throw a switch and clean up his game in a way that Gallant is comfortable with. Gallant and Dave Cameron (Team Canada coach at WJCs) are buddies. Beyond that, similar mentality when it comes to players cleaning up their game away from the puck. And Cameron didn't fully trust Othmann out there. In fact, from the interviews I've heard with Cameron. while he seems to like a bunch of Othmann's skills and attributes, I get the sense he doesn't love him as a player.

Cameron, on the other hand, was effusive about Cuylle, who is a far more dependable player at this stage, but offensively doesn't have some of the things Othmann has. Point being, Othmann's gotta focus on getting stronger, quicker and becoming a 200 ft player this year. It's a must. He needs to start doing all the little things right or his transition to the pro game may take longer than all of us expect. Regardless, he's gotta go back to Juniors this season.
I just don't see that happening in the OHL unfortunately.

There were talks a while back about NHL teams getting some form of exceptional status for a limited number of OHL players to play in the AHL. Othmann would be a good candidate for this.

If anything, playing in the OHL where he physically dominates is just going to reinforce bad habits. He needs to be somewhere where he will be burned for those brain lapses.
 
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Othmann is not going to be on the 1st line come opening night. He's a great prospect but some need to temper their expectations down. He will very likely be in the OHL this season, as he likely should. Expect him to be making noise in 23-24.

When I said “as he should be” I mean Blais on the 4th line.

I hope Othmann forces his way. I don’t think he will.
 
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All I know is not giving kakko or laf pp1 time thru the first 3 years of their careers is taking money out of their pockets big time and I would not be surprised if their agents were knocking on drury’s door for trades at some point if it continues.
Honestly, Kakko, to this point hasn't earned PP1 over anyone on there. Laf's EV goal scoring IMO HAS. I think he shold have supplanted Strome by last Feb, but that PP was highly fucntioning so I get not messing with it. Looking forward to seeing them BOTH warrant big paydays too.
 
All I know is not giving kakko or laf pp1 time thru the first 3 years of their careers is taking money out of their pockets big time and I would not be surprised if their agents were knocking on drury’s door for trades at some point if it continues.

Well if the agent isn't able to argue for his client based on their even strength stats and explain the usage then maybe the client should get a new agent.
 
That’s not going to get anyone paid. Points and goals get you paid. Not “maybe ifs”

But if these two kids were drafted by bottom feeders they would have been pp staples from day 1 and gotten their cookies (in losses sure) but that’s never happened for either of them.
 
All I know is not giving kakko or laf pp1 time thru the first 3 years of their careers is taking money out of their pockets big time and I would not be surprised if their agents were knocking on drury’s door for trades at some point if it continues.
I wonder what the agent's response would be when Drury points out that among the 275 players with 160+ minutes on the powerplay, Lafreniere has the fewest points.
 
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I just don't see that happening in the OHL unfortunately.

There were talks a while back about NHL teams getting some form of exceptional status for a limited number of OHL players to play in the AHL. Othmann would be a good candidate for this.

If anything, playing in the OHL where he physically dominates is just going to reinforce bad habits. He needs to be somewhere where he will be burned for those brain lapses.
yeah, i agree. Unfortunately, Othmann is stuck due to rules that won't suit his development this year.

Othmann’s game right now seems to have some similarities to young JT Miller. Both trying to break into Cup contender Ranger teams too. Funny how history can repeat itself.

(Not an indictment of eithers character)
yeah, i see that comparison.
 
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I wonder what the agent's response would be when Drury points out that among the 275 players with 160+ minutes on the powerplay, Lafreniere has the fewest points.

Probably that they're not quality minutes because they're typically last 20 seconds following a dump-and-change or icing.

Going back in the conversation a bit, I doubt the Rangers are keeping the kids off PP1 for the express purpose of keeping their next contracts cheap. More likely the coaching staff just trusts the vets more there. That said, if that were actually the case, it would be fair grounds for demanding a trade.
 
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