Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

All of it is the complete opposite of what he should be doing.

Carpenter is a completely useless past toy of his. The 4th line could be comprised of Blais, Goodrow, and Cuylle. Instead we will get Reaves and Carpenter. Useless 4th line.

"He sees himself in Blais" is the exact reason Lafreniere is buried on the 4th line. The guy has a personal vendetta against the kid because he's far more gifted than Gallant ever was.

Trocheck on PP1 instead of Lafreniere is brain dead stupidity.

Laf is going to score 30 points again and people are going to call him a bust. But it'll be because he once again was denied any progression by this moron coach. I don't think any 1st overall pick has been handled this way in the last several decades. Absolute stupidity.

I dont think he has a vendetta against Laf. He spoke about experience and how important the playoff run was for the kids. There are a lot on the team and there are a lot of top line vets to get through. Lafreniere will turn 21 next month. I think we will see his minutes increase as the year goes on. Especially if that kid line picks up where they left off.

We havent even seen Cuylle at the NHL level, he could struggle or play well, we dont know. Lets get through camp before we start anointing him a surefire NHL player. Carpenter has experience on the PK and thats important, does Cuylle? No. You want to say that Reaves shouldnt be there or only dress for certain games? Im fine with that.

There are many reasons, too many to count why Trocheck is a good fit for the PP. I want to see Lafreneire there as well, but to say its stupidity when Trocheck was the PP1 center for Carolina who netted out to 11th in the league is kinda silly.

Its disappointing nonetheless and I agree with your angst. We finally get a 1OA and its year three and he isnt on the PP. However as I have brought up before, maybe this is a tactic from the top to keep his points down for his bridge contract. It may benefit the club in the longrun, but I would expect to see Lafreniere on PP1 at some point this season. Things can change pretty quickly in this league.

 

[H00fHearted]

My theory (or "hope" may be a better word) is that by starting Laf and KK on the third line GG is allowing them a chance to move up during the season and continue to build their confidence. If they are handed top 6 roles and struggle, they could end up being demoted to the third line which would hurt their confidence.

I'm trying to find a silver lining here.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Just because the top 6 is what it is to start, means nothing for the duration of the season. Sammy Blais is bound to get hurt. Kravvy is still adapting to the NA style game/size rink. One of two things will happen there, he'll either adapt nicely and we'll be excited to have him there, or he won't and GG will have to shift the lines around. I think it makes sense to start this way and see what happens.

 

[Ruggs225]

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This just made it worthwhile to wake up today.

 

[duhmetreE]

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Bill Daly discussed the salary cap. The summer of 2024 is the when the cap will be tied to revenue. One more season with a $1M increase in 2023. The players paid back a good portion of the escrow balance last season. The NHL exceeded their revenue projections for last season.


Cap space.

By the way, 2025, is that still the estimation of when the cap could really start to take a big jump?

So I would say we exceeded our expectations this year on revenue. And even our forecast, which is done fairly late in the season, we exceeded pretty dramatically. So a lot of the escrow balance actually got paid back this year, certainly more of it than we had originally projected. I think the most likely answer is, we’re tying the cap to revenues again in the summer of 2024. Which would mean one more year of a million dollar increase in the summer of 2023, and then a tied cap starting in 2024. So, I think, that’s the most likely scenario at this point.

Who knows... with inflation and another season where it 'exceeded pretty dramatically' we could be looking at a jump in summer 2023.... albeit it unlikely, it's a possibility that has emerged.

It'd be nice to get Laffy and KAM locked up long term but it's no secret... Their agents know what's coming. Unless they get drastically overpaid like Stutzle

 

[Fitzy]

Doesn't seem like there's room for a serious 9 game cup of coffee for Othmann.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't dislike the lines, I am sure they will change them up, maybe before the season even starts. I really like they kept the RW, LW, C's in their natural positions. If that works, I think it's a good thing to have a more balanced top 9 where, if coaching allows, the 4th line does not play a whole lot 5on5.

If Carpenter, Goodrow (eventually) get a ton of PK minutes that helps the others not get as many. Reaves is more of an insurance policy at this point, that can work for the regular season, and maybe the 1st round, yet beyond that he probably should not play much if at all.

I am hoping Jones gains trust quickly, him playing above Hajek, and maybe taking some PP2 time from Trouba would help too.

 

[GAGLine]

My theory (or "hope" may be a better word) is that by starting Laf and KK on the third line GG is allowing them a chance to move up during the season and continue to build their confidence. If they are handed top 6 roles and struggle, they could end up being demoted to the third line which would hurt their confidence.

I'm trying to find a silver lining here.

I think he's just starting the lines this year more or less they way they ended last year. There's really no need to read into it any more than that. Obviously some players have changed and the only line that still fully intact is the kid line, but they haven't even hit the ice yet. Training camp is for evaluating the players and seeing who fits best where. Let the man do his job.

 

[Zynbanejad]

Doesn't seem like there's room for a serious 9 game cup of coffee for Othmann.

Which is fine. I just hope they sit him down and manage his expectations. If the kids progress this year on wing, there’s really no room for him anytime soon unless we get rid of Blais, which is the most likely scenario

 

[Crease]

Doesn't seem like there's room for a serious 9 game cup of coffee for Othmann.

Hard to see where he fits. Blais would have to be knocked down to the fourth line.

 

[GAGLine]

Hard to see where he fits. Blais would have to be knocked down to the fourth line.

The bigger issue is that we'd have to waive someone, and it's not worth potentially losing someone to give him 9 games. He would have to really blow away the coaches to make the team.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Let's hope the Rangers take the ice in similar midseason form to how everyone here is overreacting to what Gallant said. He was asked what the depth chart on the right wing looked like to start camp.

GG: "I don't know. Honestly, I put some lines together and you guys are going to look at them tomorrow and say that's 1st line, 2nd line 3rd line, Laff's gonna play LW. This is what we're going to do for the first three days... We'll go from there after three days. Once training camp starts, you're going to see different people in different spots. I can't say the first game against Tampa what the lines are going to be, but you're going to see some familiar combinations tomorrow."

The line decisions aren't permanent. He's going for familiarity to start camp and hopefully hit the ground running. If players outperform others, he'll change the looks around. Y'all need to f***ing relax.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[mas0764]

That was not even me being condescending. Sheesh.

Yesterday? I know. A couple days back? You were. You said "I thought we weren't engaging anymore?" I'm perfectly happy to engage when everyone is being reasonable.

Youve been saying this for 4 years now. I guess eventually you'll be right

Kreider wasn't even signed to that contract four years ago.

I've been saying for.... two years? that one or both won't see the end of their 6 and 8 year deals? Ok, and?

Yes, I will be right.

Where I obviously differ from the team is that I would have ripped the bandaid off already.

 

[mas0764]

Goodrow is going to be LTIR material
Really soon.

Good, I welcome that cap space.

Also, I mean, the balls on Drury to get a top 10 protected 1st and still ask for another pick and here are the conditions for improving that pick. No doubt other teams were hot on him as well.

It definitely tells you multiple teams were after Nils, but no one was willing to give up a sure-fire Newhook-level or Wyatt Johnston-level center, which is fair after how we treated him like a throwaway by never giving him a second chance all season.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Who knows... with inflation and another season where it 'exceeded pretty dramatically' we could be looking at a jump in summer 2023.... albeit it unlikely, it's a possibility that has emerged.

It'd be nice to get Laffy and KAM locked up long term but it's no secret... Their agents know what's coming. Unless they get drastically overpaid like Stutzle

The nhl offices have a problem. They want to keep get the players to pay back 100% before raising the cap. But they also don’t want a 10-15m cap jump in 24.
They can’t get both.
The smart thing to do is say “we’re gonna jump it 5m in 23, and then in 24 it’ll be fully repaid and full jump.
They probably want another cba extension and maybe a concession of something to get a 5m jump in 23. And the players will probably tell them to take a hike.

Good, I welcome that cap space.



It definitely tells you multiple teams were after Nils, but no one was willing to give up a sure-fire Newhook-level or Wyatt Johnston-level center, which is fair after how we treated him like a throwaway by never giving him a second chance all season.

It wasn’t that we wouldn’t give him a second chance, it was that he’s not a ld and Schneider ran away with the spot.
It wasn’t a handout, he had a fair shot to start, didn’t do fantastic in hfd and Schneider did.
Did Wally pipp deserve a second chance?

 

[mas0764]

All of it is the complete opposite of what he should be doing.

Carpenter is a completely useless past toy of his. The 4th line could be comprised of Blais, Goodrow, and Cuylle. Instead we will get Reaves and Carpenter. Useless 4th line.

"He sees himself in Blais" is the exact reason Lafreniere is buried on the 4th line. The guy has a personal vendetta against the kid because he's far more gifted than Gallant ever was.

Trocheck on PP1 instead of Lafreniere is brain dead stupidity.

Laf is going to score 30 points again and people are going to call him a bust. But it'll be because he once again was denied any progression by this moron coach. I don't think any 1st overall pick has been handled this way in the last several decades. Absolute stupidity.

Blais, Goodrow and Cuylle should indeed be the fourth line but then you have a gap at third line wing, unless Othmann makes it there.

It wasn’t that we wouldn’t give him a second chance, it was that he’s not a ld and Schneider ran away with the spot.
It wasn’t a handout, he had a fair shot to start, didn’t do fantastic in hfd and Schneider did.
Did Wally pipp deserve a second chance?

Schneider was not significantly better than Nils in the advanced stats, just bigger, and that's what the Rangers preferred. Schneider didn't "run away with the spot" as much as it was preordained that Schneider fit their mold and Nils didn't because they saw him as an Adam Fox clone and they've made it clear they want size for days on defense.

And you know, maybe not only would Nils have done better after a respite, but maybe a rested Schneider would have been better for the playoffs?

Nah, the Rangers just ran their horse into the ground.

The administration is so damn shortsighted with their 1990s thinking sometimes.

 

[mas0764]

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Low key xenophobia from Kreider!

Doesn't seem like there's room for a serious 9 game cup of coffee for Othmann.

Lafreniere Zibanejad Kreider
Panarin Trocheck Kakko
Othmann Chytil Kravtsov
Cuylle Goodrow Blais

Not that Othman is ready, but those would be the ideal lines if Othmann showed he could handle it.

Way better than having Carpenter, Hunt, Gauthier, Reaves, Vesey, Trevigno, or Rydahl in the every day lineup.

That lineup is kind of what I'm hoping for next year.

 

[GAGLine]

The nhl offices have a problem. They want to keep get the players to pay back 100% before raising the cap. But they also don’t want a 10-15m cap jump in 24.
They can’t get both.
The smart thing to do is say “we’re gonna jump it 5m in 23, and then in 24 it’ll be fully repaid and full jump.
They probably want another cba extension and maybe a concession of something to get a 5m jump in 23. And the players will probably tell them to take a hike.

The MOU has a provision for increasing the cap incrementally, but it would require further talks between the two sides to agree on the specifics. If they increase the cap by 5 mil instead of 1 mil, then they probably won't pay off the debt next year. So they'd probably have to do it in 3 parts. Raise it like 3 mil next year, then another 3 mil the following year, then make it based on revenue the year after (25-26 season).

They won't really know until near the end of the year, when they can more accurately estimate the total revenue.

 

[mas0764]

Hard to see where he fits. Blais would have to be knocked down to the fourth line.

.... where he belongs? Sign me up.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Lol thats rough.

 

[Off Sides]

Goodrow on LTIR does not increase their cap space, it would allow them to go over the cap by whatever amount (his whole cap hit if they were at the ceiling) yet the draw backs are they would not accrue any cap space during the season. Every trade or rental would have to be cap hit in for the same or more cap out. They'd end up paying in assets to gain cap space to make those moves.

And they'd have to make cap room for him to rejoin the team once he became healthy, if that happened in the regular season

Even though teams use LTIR in some advantageous ways, mostly by being able to be well over the cap in the playoffs, it's not really a position any team should want to have to be in unless it's a star, big contract, player who will only be "injured" until the playoffs start and they are a contender as is.

If he was LTIR-retired it's a little different as some team may want his cap hit, yet not now or likely even next season with the amount of actual money he is still owed. And teams are starting to not even really want those contracts, they already have enough of them, or they are trying to become more competitive.

If they need that cap space eventually (next off-season), best move would be if they can straight up trade him, if not, they'd be better off buying him out and eating the one year (2026-27) where his buyout cap hit is like ~3.6M Hopefully by that year the cap ceiling has gone up to the point where it does not hurt that badly.

 

[RGY]

Yesterday? I know. A couple days back? You were. You said "I thought we weren't engaging anymore?" I'm perfectly happy to engage when everyone is being reasonable.



Kreider wasn't even signed to that contract four years ago.

I've been saying for.... two years? that one or both won't see the end of their 6 and 8 year deals? Ok, and?

Yes, I will be right.

Where I obviously differ from the team is that I would have ripped the bandaid off already.

In all seriousness, what is considered “being reasonable”? Is that when people are just agreeing with your opinions of the organization and how it is run? Your narrative of the way things are and should be? And this isn’t me being condescending. This is me seriously asking you what you think is within reason. Because the majority of your rhetoric and tone about this team is negative, at least lately. And much of your vision for this team lends to having a lineup that is heavily favored towards youth. And that’s just not realistic. I just read a post where you had a desire for both Othmann and Cuylle making the team this year, while dialing it back by saying if not this year then next basically. Yeah maybe next year, but to even suggest this year as that is absolutely what should happen just does not seem like someone who is in tune with reality. Even teams like Colorado and Tampa have their veterans on the back end lines to fill out the roster.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Whoever falters on PP1 there's someone to take their place.

Strome was the clear weak link on the PP all season and never once was removed.

Doesn't seem like there's room for a serious 9 game cup of coffee for Othmann.

Is he AHL eligible? Or is it back to OHL for him