You mean we might have to scratch an AHLer? I appreciate what they’ve done this year but Rooney, DiGiuseppe and Blackwell are tweeners. Howden and Lemieux are only a step ahead. Finding room for Bennett wouldn’t exactly be the most difficult task in the universe. Meanwhile, I agree with @bl02 that specific ship has probably sailed, but that’s the kind of scrappy shit disturber that I’d want to bring in. No one on a big contract or that’s going to cost a lot. Just a minor deal for some back bone. No major moves while Quinn’s still here was the point.
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You mean we might have to scratch an AHLer? I appreciate what they’ve done this year but Rooney, DiGiuseppe and Blackwell are tweeners. Howden and Lemieux are only a step ahead. Finding room for Bennett wouldn’t exactly be the most difficult task in the universe. Meanwhile, I agree with @bl02 that specific ship has probably sailed, but that’s the kind of scrappy shit disturber that I’d want to bring in. No one on a big contract or that’s going to cost a lot. Just a minor deal for some back bone. No major moves while Quinn’s still here was the point.
For me there are three really miserable weaknesses in our management to this point.
1) cap management. We have 13mil in dead space. That's 13mil that could not be used to adjust the roster so that either the kids who are not ready would not need to be rushed in or so that players could be added to supplement the kids' particular games. A Granlund or Haula would've been great adds in this respect. Aside from the dead space, we have continued to commit a ton of money to players who aren't worth the paycheck. I like Trouba more than most, but he was never worth nor going to be worth 8mil X 7. That contract was a joke and will be a huge obstacle to us moving forward. Kreider's is more reasonable to me since it was a discount, it was made worse by an unpredictable flat cap, and we didn't know we'd get Lafreniere and be so flush at LW.
2) The treatment of veteran players. Zuccarello, Hayes, and Fast all really wanted to be Rangers. Of course, you can't keep them, but all reports say that we completely refused to communicate with the players/representation about either possible extensions, or our fixed decision to move on from them. All three have expressed some level of disappointment/betrayal about the way they were treated. And that's before even mentioning Henrik Lundqvist--maybe the greatest Ranger ever--who we sat as a third string goalie for two months before buying out. That was nauseating to watch last year. Especially considering the player we were prioritizing in Georgiev. You want a good culture, players that are committed and care about this organization: but these things don't go unnoticed.
3) We have had four straight picks in the top 10, and two straight in the top 2. None of them have even remotely performed up to par with expectations. You can say that that's us fans all overhyping them or getting impatient, but this is not just fans' expectations. Kakko was the most popular pick for the Calder last year. Lafrenierre this year. From most every hockey publication. Kravtsov was at one point ranked the #1 prospect in hockey before he came to NA. And even if Lias was never a high-ceiling pick, the common take was that he had a high floor, was a pretty sure thing NHLer at the least.
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This might have been answered already but Wall is exempt because he's a 1st year pro.
1st and 2nd year pros are automatically exempt
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1 - cap management. This was the bite the bullet year b/c Shatty’s number was going to be high. Hank adds to it while the money allocated towards TDA is the real bad one. That was unforeseen lost dollars and lost offense on the PP.
Cap looks better next year.
2 - come on, they whole world knew the Rangers were rebuilding b/c they put it in print. The Rangers also warned everybody some names you like will be moved. Hank was older. If teams make decisions based on emotion they’ll never move forward. Some fans, imo, need to get a grip we are all Rangers fans and will be long after all these players are gone. Cannot have Stepan, Zucs, Haynes, Callahan, Hank and the ancient guard skating around Garden ice. That team would lose. They were all paid well and it was time to move on.
3 - it’s a slow grow but i can’t blame teenagers and players in their early 20’s for looking lost against teams loaded with 25-34 year old vets. I think it should be better too and it’s possible something is broken yet not even the mighty Edmonton Oilers from the 80’s had much success with players of this age.
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I still think Igor is good and will be good but the amount of hype heaped on him after a 12 game hot streak was insane.
there were/are people here comparing him to Hank.
We definitely agree here. How could this team not at least skate hard every shift. With 100% energy. Giving it everything they have.
Everything and everyone looks like its in slow motion and so lethargic. That falls on the coach. The whole team looks so unresponsive and flat. They look dead in the water.
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Duh, obviously Hanks heart condition would've magically disappear if he wasn't bought out.
I don't think this is true.... I know they at least touched base with the agents for Hayes and Fast (or those are what the reports said.)
But what do you want them to do? Have "fake" serious discussions just so those guys feel better? I think Zuccarello is the only one who whined about the way he was treated after he was traded but he whined while he was still here too. Thats his thing.
I don't know if you were one of the ones who were praising Gorton for his "cut throat" attitude dealing with these players (Hank included, and I personally NEVER liked the optics of buying him out.) But heres my question, would any one really even give a shit about this if the team were performing well? I'm going to guess probably not... really leaning towards the f*** no level of definitely not.
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NHL level talent evaluation, trades yes but also contracts, terms, clauses...
They often seem to zig when they should zag in these respects.
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Management was left with some bad contracts they had to deal with, and some they gave out themselves non of that matters to me now because this lineup is good enough to push for a playoff spot, there's enough there that they should win their share of games. We have been pretty unlucky with injuries and the Panarin thing but the roster that was on the ice last night wasn't playing near their potential and something has to change, i don't fauly management, i think they have assembled a good team.
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How is a team supposed to build any chemistry when every game Quinn tries infinite line combinations. It's getting ridiculous. They look lost because every day they are playing with new line mates.
Example: I'll pass it down low because I know (insert player name here) will be in that area. Player who passes puck... oh crap, he's not on my line anymore. It looks like this every damn game. You expect someone to be there yet no one is there.
Example: I'll pass it down low because I know (insert player name here) will be in that area. Player who passes puck... oh crap, he's not on my line anymore. It looks like this every damn game. You expect someone to be there yet no one is there.
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When a team is this lifeless the coaches only tool during a game is to take opportunities away to spark change.
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Great question.
imo
- the right message from JD was telling the fans to be patient yet the wrong message was saying the players "might not be ready to win" That's a weird message.
- the TDA situation was a disaster. Benched one game into a contract and gone before 10?
- Youth can take time to develop yet, and one may have nothing to do with the other, but would we have known of a problem in Hartford had both Krav and Lias not left? We may assume everything was fine. Should we assume everything is fine with the big team b/c nobody left? One may nothing to do with the other or maybe something is broken.
A rebuild takes time and there will be fires to be put out along the way. Tough to pinpoint what's happening so i'll take J.D.'s word for it and remain patient although i'm warming up to changes besides constant line changes.
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Maybe they should have Quinn sit in the press box upstairs and watch the game Saturday in Beantown and have Martin take the bench reins for a game and see what happens . What can it hurt at this point ? If it is a complete turnaround on the ice ....can the college coach before he gets back to the ground floor .
Lololol this would be the ultimate slap in the face and would probably lead to a resignation.
So I'm for it!
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Patience with no progress is a futile waiting game
Patience with no progress is a futile waiting game
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there might be a deadline and if panic comes soon after that patience/progress deadline i would hate to see those south of 25 flourish elsewhere.
Definitely have never praised anything about cut-throat attitudes. Hank's treatment last year made my stomach turn, and the fact that we chose to buy him in order to keep Georgiev reflects just about every point I'm making. It's 1) more dead cap space, 2) undercutting a leader on the team, 3) all for the sake of forcing kids into positions they're not ready for -- aggression for aggression's sake all under the heading 'be patient'.
It's speculative, just my opinion. But that opinion pretty much precludes the question here: I see it as a part of explaining why we suck.
I only have an outside view but from what I've read and heard from those players in the media, it sounds like they went from loving NYR to the opposite pretty swiftly.
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It was more than a 12-game hot streak. Anyone who watched him in the KHL or in the international stage could see his skill and talent. His composure, ability to read plays, and his reflexes were all top-notch. Don't get me wrong--it does help he had a solid team in front of him, but he made the big saves when needed.
Even thus far in the NHL, he has had a good Quality Start percentage and has generally been consistent. There is always going to be adjustment to the North American game...more space, new angles, and that won't happen overnight.
I don't think anyone can realistically compare him to prime Henrik Lundqvist. There may be that potential, but he's not there yet.
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IMO it's good that things went bad. This season, up to this point, is a failure.
However, issues have become self evident... besides better coaching... You don't learn unless you fail
-Better defensive/2way centers. We are weak down the middle. I was hoping Chytil would be PKing this year.
-We need PMD, even more so with the loss of ADA
-We need some backbone/toughness/leadership ( Bennett would have been nice )
However, issues have become self evident... besides better coaching... You don't learn unless you fail
-Better defensive/2way centers. We are weak down the middle. I was hoping Chytil would be PKing this year.
-We need PMD, even more so with the loss of ADA
-We need some backbone/toughness/leadership ( Bennett would have been nice )
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Well if the Rangers can't develop their own players, what other option besides importing already developed ones do they really have?
I mean I am one of those who would like to see them add even more picks and prospects, and I understand that some of that will bust, or fail to reach it's potential, yet what is this thing they are playing out there?
They can't fore-check and win any puck battles, cycle is not even in their vocab. They seem to not have any sort of timing, even when they shoot, when they don't pass while in the shooting lane, no one is near the crease to screen, deflect, get a rebound. Carrying the puck into the zone, sure only certain players have that talent, and they too are dumping it in, where is the pass option? He's either stationary or behind the play. Blah, blah, blah and that is just offensively. Defensively they have improved somewhat and their tending is letting them down, yet it's not like their offense has dried up because they are locking it down in their own end.
Bruins are a much better team, so there is that too, yet young teams usually look at least quick, energetic, hungry, sure they make a ton of errors but this last game looked like a vet team who has lost their will to play.
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