Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXV: Sell some now, buy some later

[Kodiak]

Philly fans are on the verge of lynching him in front of the Liberty Bell. Don't miss that doofus at all.

To be fair, they are Philly fans...

 

[Kodiak]

Why do we need to move anyone at this juncture with all the dead cap space falling off after this year along with Brendan Smith at a minimum? I believe that even with the RFAs we should be ok for the next couple of years.

I’m not concerned so much about next year because we have so much dead cap space coming off. We just have to be aware that whatever contract we give to Buch probably won’t be finished here. Look at the immovable pieces we have now: Kreider, Trouba, Panarin, Zibanejad if he re-signs. Adding to that creates a real problem when we need to lock in (knock wood) budding young stars to long-term deals.

 

[Calad]

To be fair, they are Philly fans...

 

[CupSeeker]

See Hayes, Kevin

He would have been a nice piece to have this year, but not at that price tag and term.

Flyer fans would give him to us. They complain how soft he is constantly.

 

[CupSeeker]

Lindgren and Igor are due a raise.

Then we will have Fox and Zibs breaking the bank.

The flat cap is really going to hurt us.

Unfortunately, the Rangers are going to have to make some tough financial decisons. Going to be really difficult having close to 24 million (Bread, Krieder, Buch at 6 mil) on 3 wingers.

I agree that there will be tough decisions. I just think what Buch is giving us now is worth keeping and making a tough call somewhere else. Plus we will have some cap space after this season to work with. We will likely need to bridge guys we would otherwise lock up long term.

 

[bobbop]

What’s his worth then? Under normal circumstances, I’d expect a long term deal.

in this current market, what’s he going to get? What teams have that space or the actual funds to do it?

Even from his agents perspective, wouldn’t a 2 year deal be better? He could get his long term fat contract when things normalize.

I'm expect he will get money in the general neighborhood as Strome ($4.5MM-$5.5MM) but longer length

 

[cheech70]

I'm expect he will get money in the general neighborhood as Strome ($4.5MM-$5.5MM) but longer length

Done...1st 3 yrs nmc..after that limited

 

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[bleedblue94]

I'm expect he will get money in the general neighborhood as Strome ($4.5MM-$5.5MM) but longer length

I agree with this. I think it will come down to the same thing as zuuc where he needs to decide if he leaves some money on the table to stay with NYR and stay with this growing team, or if he needs to put his earning ability at the forefront. 4.5mil I think they find a way to keep him here at least in the short term. If he is approaching that 5.5mil than it pushes him out of their cap structure. And lets be serious, how Kratsov plays once he comes back is going to play some role in how they see this developing, it has to in some ways with how much depth we have on the wings.

Another difference is teams and players now know this is the financial reality over the next number of years. It really isn't debatable or up for different projections, the cap is going to be flat for a prolonged period, everyone has to adjust how they spend and what they demand. The only additional league spending will come from adding Seattle's cap allotment to the pool, but that's it.

 

[NYR Viper]

@Edge besides Edmonton, what other teams inquired on Buch in the past? Do I recall you saying Colorado?

The team that COULD make some sense is Detroit if they are serious about trading Larkin. Larkin would have (2) years left on his deal whereas Detroit could sign Buch for 5-6 years.

 

[bleedblue94]

@Edge besides Edmonton, what other teams inquired on Buch in the past? Do I recall you saying Colorado?

The team that COULD make some sense is Detroit if they are serious about trading Larkin. Larkin would have (2) years left on his deal whereas Detroit could sign Buch for 5-6 years.

Calgary is one

 

[Kodiak]

Flyer fans would give him to us. They complain how soft he is constantly.

A big (but not physical), 2-way center that can distribute the puck would slot in nicely between Zibanejad and Chytil if Strome were not there. Eventually, Chytil would push him down to the #3 slot. But again, just not at that price tag and term. Buch is in the same boat. We want him to get pushed down by Kakko and Kravtsov, so we need to be particularly careful about price tag and term.

 

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[Fitzy]

IIRC both Kreider and Trouba become tradeable in another three seasons after this one.

That would actually probably be the opportune time to move one or both if the circumstances arise to do so.

That’s about the time when our current kid group will be experienced enough to take over the role of veteran leadership. Of course bread will be here too but he will be the old Wiley veteran of the team.

 

[rangers1314]

The fact that Howden was “feeling comfortable” given the reality of his play & production is wild.

 

[Kovalev27]

You can definitely have that opinion but you absolutely don’t “know” that by any stretch of the imagination.

Aren’t you seeing the exact same thing? I know the sky is blue no one has to tell me directly.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Regarding Kravtsov, and apologies if this was mentioned already, is the quarantine 10 or 14 days? I'm forgetting.

7 days starting last Monday.

 

[jay from jersey]

IIRC both Kreider and Trouba become tradeable in another three seasons after this one.

That would actually probably be the opportune time to move one or both if the circumstances arise to do so.

That’s about the time when our current kid group will be experienced enough to take over the role of veteran leadership. Of course bread will be here too but he will be the old Wiley veteran of the team.

This guy gets it. Rarely do players who sign these long deals last with the team thru the full length of the contract

 

[GAGLine]

He’s still controlled for a year.

what team has the space or the funds to give Buch 5-6m?

Every team, depending on what we take back. It doesn't need to be Buch for just futures.

 

[MetalJaws]

The Rangers don't have cap problems. Bridges galore. slight team friendly deals, dead cap coming off and players expiring will be plenty to make many scenarios work. Trust the Organization to do the best they can with what they have. Nobody is getting monster money.

 

[BKGooner]

It’s interesting to see how fans and people in the sport differ in their views and approach concerning Laf and Kakko.

Within the industry you hear people talking about what they see emerging, and very little talk about stat lines.

With fans, particularly those online, you hear more about they aren’t seeing with a very heavy focus on stat lines.

Probably the easiest way to sum it up would be a hockey equivalent of a glass being half-empty or half-full.

Industry people tend to look at someone like Kakko and say, “The offense will come because he’s doing a lot of things that remind me of a young Hossa.”

On here there’s more of a “The offense isn’t there, he reminds me of a late Rick Nash.”

I do think there’s some mixing of the the concept of emerging vs. not existing. Using Kakko last night, he set up a play and hits a cross bar. Depending on how they play differs that’s a goal and an assist. But that’s not gonna show up if you’re getting updates on your phone. And, at some point, it’s fair to say you don’t care about crossbars and posts. You want goals.

But internally and in talking with people from other teams, it’s really not a subject. I think there’s curiosity to see how/when the Rangers start really transitioning to the some of these kids - be it Kakko, or Chytil, or Laf, and what that means for guys like Buch and Strome. But it’s just such a different conversation in those circles that it is somewhat hard to bridge the gap.

You mean people involved the NHL aren't overheard saying "git gud scrub" in conversations about the highest draft picks in recent Ranger history?

 

[duhmetreE]

Every team, depending on what we take back. It doesn't need to be Buch for just futures.

The only move that would make sense for us, would be for a center. That's when things get narrowed down.

We're going to have to pay for a center. Whether by cap or trade.

 

[GAGLine]

The only move that would make sense for us, would be for a center. That's when things get narrowed down.

We're going to have to pay for a center. Whether by cap or trade.

Yes, the trade would likely involve a center. Ideally we could do a one for one, but I don't think there are many options there. More likely, we'd trade for a young center and take back another player to make the cap work.

 

[duhmetreE]

It’s interesting to see how fans and people in the sport differ in their views and approach concerning Laf and Kakko.

Within the industry you hear people talking about what they see emerging, and very little talk about stat lines.

With fans, particularly those online, you hear more about they aren’t seeing with a very heavy focus on stat lines.

Probably the easiest way to sum it up would be a hockey equivalent of a glass being half-empty or half-full.

Industry people tend to look at someone like Kakko and say, “The offense will come because he’s doing a lot of things that remind me of a young Hossa.”

On here there’s more of a “The offense isn’t there, he reminds me of a late Rick Nash.”

I do think there’s some mixing of the the concept of emerging vs. not existing. Using Kakko last night, he set up a play and hits a cross bar. Depending on how they play differs that’s a goal and an assist. But that’s not gonna show up if you’re getting updates on your phone. And, at some point, it’s fair to say you don’t care about crossbars and posts. You want goals.

But internally and in talking with people from other teams, it’s really not a subject. I think there’s curiosity to see how/when the Rangers start really transitioning to the some of these kids - be it Kakko, or Chytil, or Laf, and what that means for guys like Buch and Strome. But it’s just such a different conversation in those circles that it is somewhat hard to bridge the gap.

I think the end-of-career Nash is more meme than anything. I could be wrong, that's how I took it.

4 points, whichever way you cut it, is alarming though. I know you showed ES points but he's well below the trend line in the d+2 season.

I would just like for him to get off the wall and roam in the high slot/scoring areas. Similar to how Buch scored 2 goals from there the past 3 games... That's what I envision Kakko doing eventually but he rarely puts him self in that position. He had a beautiful breakout play yesterday that should have been finished by Chytil

It's more aggravation than anything. We want to celebrate his success.

One glaring weakness I see from Kakko though... He is extremely slow through the neutral zone with the puck. He needs to get off his stick immediately because he's that slow.

I would say his floor is that of a Palat... spanning up to the Forsberg/Hossa level

 

[NYRFANMANI]

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