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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXV: Sell some now, buy some later

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Edge said:
This goes back to something I said a while back when the board debated signing or re-signing certain guys: at some point there's a finite number of resources to go around. So you have to hitch your wagon to core guys and then shuffle out the support guys as they become expensive.
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See Hayes, Kevin

He would have been a nice piece to have this year, but not at that price tag and term.
 
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honestly it comes to down to krieder vs buch which sucks

i personally didnt want to keep kreider at that cap hit but it looks like buch will have to go because the rangers gave that contract to him

the flat cap also kills the rangers here
 
Edge said:
I don't think it's a matter of desire so much as potential necessity - depending on how money is allocated elsewhere.

Trouba, Panarin and Kreider take up their chunks of change. Then you have a bunch of guys who are going to be getting paid more than they are now (Zibanejad or a different center, Fox, etc.).

This goes back to something I said a while back when the board debated signing or re-signing certain guys: at some point there's a finite number of resources to go around. So you have to hitch your wagon to core guys and then shuffle out the support guys as they become expensive.

If most things go well for the Rangers, that's probably the realm we're going to exist in for a while. So to some extent, guys are going to end up moved because they're successful. Which is a bit of a weird concept.
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But when we look at Chicago and Pittsburgh over the years it can work if you make the right choices on who stays and who goes.
 
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Edge said:
I don't think it's a matter of desire so much as potential necessity - depending on how money is allocated elsewhere.

Trouba, Panarin and Kreider take up their chunks of change. Then you have a bunch of guys who are going to be getting paid more than they are now (Zibanejad or a different center, Fox, etc.).

This goes back to something I said a while back when the board debated signing or re-signing certain guys: at some point there's a finite number of resources to go around. So you have to hitch your wagon to core guys and then shuffle out the support guys as they become expensive.

If most things go well for the Rangers, that's probably the realm we're going to exist in for a while. So to some extent, guys are going to end up moved because they're successful. Which is a bit of a weird concept.
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That being the case, do you think there may be a little bit of true to the concept that the Rangers are not giving PP time and more offensive assignments to guys like Kakko and Laf to minimise or at least lower their money on their second contracts ?
 
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Kodiak said:
Who do you move? Who is making significant money, is on a moveable contract, and wouldn't open a huge hole in our lineup?
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Why do we need to move anyone at this juncture with all the dead cap space falling off after this year along with Brendan Smith at a minimum? I believe that even with the RFAs we should be ok for the next couple of years.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Regarding Kakko it is very clear to me what his marching orders were. Try and be Jesper Fast and help bread and Strome do their thing. That’s to me the message he was given. Stay high be the guy that gets the puck out of the zone. Get in on the for check and get the pucks to them. That shouldn’t be what he is. He should not be the third guy high and the last to leave the zone. That’s my problem and you know Quinn did it. And continues to drill it into him. Because thats what we are seeing
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Exactly. He wins puck battles in all zones. He moves the puck smartly. He is not committing to attacking the goal except in obvious situations and there aren't enough of those since he and his ever changing linemates have little chemistry. Let the Kids play together for 10 games and see what happens with their production.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Regarding Kakko it is very clear to me what his marching orders were. Try and be Jesper Fast and help bread and Strome do their thing. That’s to me the message he was given. Stay high be the guy that gets the puck out of the zone. Get in on the for check and get the pucks to them. That shouldn’t be what he is. He should not be the third guy high and the last to leave the zone. That’s my problem and you know Quinn did it. And continues to drill it into him. Because thats what we are seeing
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Exactly. He wins puck battles in all zones. He moves the puck smartly. He is not committing to attacking the goal except in obvious situations and there aren't enough of those since he and his ever changing linemates have little chemistry. Let the Kids play together for 10 games and see what happens with their production.
 
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CupSeeker said:
Why do we need to move anyone at this juncture with all the dead cap space falling off after this year along with Brendan Smith at a minimum? I believe that even with the RFAs we should be ok for the next couple of years.
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Lindgren and Igor are due a raise.

Then we will have Fox and Zibs breaking the bank.

The flat cap is really going to hurt us.

Unfortunately, the Rangers are going to have to make some tough financial decisons. Going to be really difficult having close to 24 million (Bread, Krieder, Buch at 6 mil) on 3 wingers.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Regarding Kakko it is very clear to me what his marching orders were. Try and be Jesper Fast and help bread and Strome do their thing. That’s to me the message he was given. Stay high be the guy that gets the puck out of the zone. Get in on the for check and get the pucks to them. That shouldn’t be what he is. He should not be the third guy high and the last to leave the zone. That’s my problem and you know Quinn did it. And continues to drill it into him. Because thats what we are seeing
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You can definitely have that opinion but you absolutely don’t “know” that by any stretch of the imagination.
 
bobbop said:
Strome was a victim of circumstances, getting caught one year from UFA with no money in the system. Buch will have a better track to run on.
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What’s his worth then? Under normal circumstances, I’d expect a long term deal.

in this current market, what’s he going to get? What teams have that space or the actual funds to do it?

Even from his agents perspective, wouldn’t a 2 year deal be better? He could get his long term fat contract when things normalize.
 
duhmetreE said:
What’s his worth then? Under normal circumstances, I’d expect a long term deal.

in this current market, what’s he going to get? What teams have that space or the actual funds to do it?

Even from his agents perspective, wouldn’t a 2 year deal be better? He could get his long term fat contract when things normalize.
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It really depends on just how long this flat cap remains.

Even if Buch got a bridge deal, it will be higher than what Strome got last offseason so it won't be much wiggle room.

Maybe say Buch gets 5.25 AAV on a 2 year bridge??? It wouldn't be much savings.
 
Kodiak said:
See Hayes, Kevin

He would have been a nice piece to have this year, but not at that price tag and term.
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Yes and no. If they signed Hayes, they probably don’t sign Kreider, (or necessarily trade for Trouba) which probably prevents the log jam at wing. Are the Rangers a better team with Hayes than with Kreider and Trouba right now? Is their roster constructed better? Are they in a better cap situation?

there’s a lot of variables.
 
SRHRangers said:
It really depends on just how long this flat cap remains.

Even if Buch got a bridge deal, it will be higher than what Strome got last offseason so it won't be much wiggle room.

Maybe say Buch gets 5.25 AAV on a 2 year bridge??? It wouldn't be much savings.
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He’s still controlled for a year.

what team has the space or the funds to give Buch 5-6m?
 
Fitzy said:
Not if you consider the potential trade return.

You're talking about a young, sizeable, all situations winger. You could be looking at a first round pick+ A prospect for him.
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yeah he has good value but, he's also gonna need a new contract which will limit the return. Why always in a contract year lol. If we can guarantee that he would keep this level of play up once he gets paid I would do everything to keep him. Unfortunately we have learned 1st hand thats not always the case
 
SRHRangers said:
A few teams will at the start of free agency.

Kings, Devils, Sens, Red Wings, Columbus
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Maybe Columbus.

He's improved greatly over the past 2 seasons. I'd still be hesitant to sign him long term and hesitant to trade him.. Weird scenario.

2 year deal makes sense for both parties. He can wait out this flat cap, crazy escrow and limited revenue... If attendance is back to normal in 2 years, revenue rebounds and reaches new highs with TV deal, where will the cap be? Either way, teams would be a lot more 'giving' around this time, compared to now.
 
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