Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[bleedblue94]

Good thing bad goals happen all the time in the NHL too

I appreciate that, but how often do clear view shots from the top of the circle beat a competent NHL goalie? It's a weak goal, that's all I'm saying, it's not an indictment on schneider at all, love that player.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I appreciate that, but how often do clear view shots from the top of the circle beat a competent NHL goalie? It's a weak goal, that's all I'm saying, it's not an indictment on schneider at all, love that player.

It happens more than you think. Schneider is having a good season. I look forward to seeing him with Robertson on the top pair in Hartford next season. Their first real taste of pro hockey.

I think the handful of games this past season definitely helps

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I recommend decaf. I really could care less with whom you engage or do not engage. Stats are hardly everything. But they can point things out. Much like the eye test can.

 

[gravey9]

It happens more than you think. Schneider is having a good season. I look forward to seeing him with Robertson on the top pair in Hartford next season. Their first real taste of pro hockey.

I think the handful of games this past season definitely helps

To second AK's optimism here, I just want to chime in.

While it's true that these kinds of goals don't happen that often in the NHL (tho see Panarin in Sat's game), I also thought Schneider's shot was really intriguing.

The shot itself had tons of velocity but with a very minimal windup. Those are the kinds of shots that get on goalies real fast and surprise them. To be able to get that much velocity with such little windup is really helpful for getting shots through from the point at higher levels -- something he displayed in his limited AHL time. Getting hard/fast shots from the point is one of those skills that separate average NHL defensemen from NHL defensemen that end up on the scoresheet.

For instance, Ryan Lindgren doesn't really have that skill, that's why he mostly gets assists playing with Fox. Whereas, Nils Lundkvist has perfected this ability at least for the SHL game -- and it's the major reason he has as many points as he does. (he's got decent vision too and IQ through the roof, but if you look at his points, a lot of them are generated from his shot.) So, in that sense Schneider's shot is really nice to see. Even if it's not going to beat an NHL goalie it can be very effective in generating offensive production.

On the other hand, it's worth noticing this shot was off the rush. He's able to get more on the shot using his momentum than if he was standing still at the blue line. Nonetheless -- NHL caliber shot with minimal windup = optimism in my book.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yay! But that's a bad goal...

Nice release though. Actually surprising.

 

[eco's bones]

33 NHL platers have hit the 40 point mark to this point and four of them are Rangers—Panarin with 52, Strome with 44, Fox with 41 and Buchnevich with 40. Two players on the cusp with 39 are the Blues O’Reilly and Zibanejad which would give us five players out of 35. Good support numbers from Kreider and Blackwell—a third kid line looking more and more dangerous.

 

[wafflepadsave]

33 NHL platers have hit the 40 point mark to this point and four of them are Rangers—Panarin with 52, Strome with 44, Fox with 41 and Buchnevich with 40. Two players on the cusp with 39 are the Blues O’Reilly and Zibanejad which would give us five players out of 35. Good support numbers from Kreider and Blackwell—a third kid line looking more and more dangerous.

Must be talking about Blackwell.

 

[DialUp]

33 NHL platers have hit the 40 point mark to this point and four of them are Rangers—Panarin with 52, Strome with 44, Fox with 41 and Buchnevich with 40. Two players on the cusp with 39 are the Blues O’Reilly and Zibanejad which would give us five players out of 35. Good support numbers from Kreider and Blackwell—a third kid line looking more and more dangerous.

Weird year, so many 1 goal loses vs multi goal wins. When we win, we do it nice, when we lose its a squeaker. Unless it's against Pitt, who absolutely owned us this year.

 

[bleedblue94]

It happens more than you think. Schneider is having a good season. I look forward to seeing him with Robertson on the top pair in Hartford next season. Their first real taste of pro hockey.

I think the handful of games this past season definitely helps

I'm really excited for him. We had been craving some d men that were hard to play against and had bite to them and now we have Lindgren and Schneider on the way. Those could be terrific pieces in a top 4 that are just difficult on the opposing teams. Love how this is org is coming together in that manner

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We are going to have the best young D in the league in a year or 2.

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Lundkvist

Robertson - Schneider

Who can match that group?

 

[archanfelnsx]

We are going to have the best young D in the league in a year or 2.

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Lundkvist

Robertson - Schneider

Who can match that group?

Looks like we will have a surplus. Maybe include one or two of them in a deal for a certain center from Western NY.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Yay! But that's a bad goal...

Still a pretty sick shot that was wired top corner from like 50 ft lol

 

[GAGLine]

Looks like we will have a surplus. Maybe include one or two of them in a deal for a certain center from Western NY.

I'm really not interested in trading for Eichel. The cost to acquire him combined with the cap implications makes it a non-starter for me. Plus, I don't think he makes us significantly better, especially when you consider the moves we would likely have to make to accommodate his cap hit. We probably aren't keeping both Zib and Eichel, long term. Are we a better team with Eichel instead of Zib? If so, is it enough to justify the cost to acquire him?

 

[Avery16]

I'm really not interested in trading for Eichel. The cost to acquire him combined with the cap implications makes it a non-starter for me. Plus, I don't think he makes us significantly better, especially when you consider the moves we would likely have to make to accommodate his cap hit. We probably aren't keeping both Zib and Eichel, long term. Are we a better team with Eichel instead of Zib? If so, is it enough to justify the cost to acquire him?

Have to take his post-surgery ability into account now as well.

 

[ETTER DE]

I'm really not interested in trading for Eichel. The cost to acquire him combined with the cap implications makes it a non-starter for me. Plus, I don't think he makes us significantly better, especially when you consider the moves we would likely have to make to accommodate his cap hit. We probably aren't keeping both Zib and Eichel, long term. Are we a better team with Eichel instead of Zib? If so, is it enough to justify the cost to acquire him?

The advantage with Eichel is that he is younger. He can in theory be a Ranger longer than Zibanejad. With so many young players that may be the safe choice. A ready to play elite center who can be resigned. You never know if someone like him will be available. (Again)

 

[GAGLine]

The advantage with Eichel is that he is younger. He can in theory be a Ranger longer than Zibanejad. With so many young players that may be the safe choice. A ready to play elite center who can be resigned. You never know if someone like him will be available. (Again)

True. I just don't think that's worth the cost. If we were trading Zib for Eichel straight up, or with a reasonable add, that would be one thing.

We'll see how it shakes out. Maybe Gorton will surprise us.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Can't wait for Schneider and Robertson to arrive.

Our team is going to be BIG, THICC, TRUNKKY with a mid-west ethos but also skilled and mobile.

Trouba - Miller - Robertson - Schneider - thats a behemoth d-corps with Lindgren who is very solid and tough despite his size and of course Adam Orr doing his thing.

Zibanejad, Kreider, Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov all have great size and and skill.

NJ can build its army of speedy twinks, thats now how you win. Once this team matures, look out. Can be like St. Louis but better.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The advantage with Eichel is that he is younger. He can in theory be a Ranger longer than Zibanejad. With so many young players that may be the safe choice. A ready to play elite center who can be resigned. You never know if someone like him will be available. (Again)

I've heard the bolded so many times, yet here we are.

Someone like him will become available. There are people here who didn't think Eichel would become available as recently as a year ago.

The Age difference is a valid factor. But so is the injury history (really for both.) Eichel has been injured more than Zibanejad was through their age 24 seasons.

Rangers would be wise to avoid both Eichel and the Zibanejad extension. There will be other options available.

 

[kovazub94]

True. I just don't think that's worth the cost. If we were trading Zib for Eichel straight up, or with a reasonable add, that would be one thing.

We'll see how it shakes out. Maybe Gorton will surprise us.

Well now posters will come back with - assets spend on Eichel will be recouped in a separate trade for Zib", which is significantly more difficult to pull off given NHL reluctance to make big trades to begin with.

Personally, even taking Eichel out of equation completely, I'm not sold on Zibanejad being extended instead of being traded purely due to cap implications as soon as two seasons down the road.

 

[GAGLine]

Well now posters will come back with - assets spend on Eichel will be recouped in a separate trade for Zib", which is significantly more difficult to pull off given NHL reluctance to make big trades to begin with.

Personally, even taking Eichel out of equation completely, I'm not sold on Zibanejad being extended instead of being traded purely due to cap implications as soon as two seasons down the road.

Yeah, it's a really tough call. This could be a very interesting off-season.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If it makes you feel better if LA is interested (which it seems like they are) they can put together pretty much as good of an offer as NY if they really wanted to... If that's the case then im sure the Sabres would prefer to ship him out of conference.

thats assuming they are willing to give up Byfield, but why would they? As far as actual NHL roster players, I think they don't have anyone on the level of Strome of Buchnevich. They're not trading Doughty or Kopitar soo... if they wanna gut their amazing GOAT of all time prospect pool, then fine.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Upgrading the 3rd D pair alone should be enough to get into the POs next year. May need some vet insurance in case the kids aren't ready.

what will be enough to get into the playoffs next year is not having an abysmal, slow start, which seems to be DQ's MO. Think about it, the Rangers go on these late season streaks because their top players get into a nice rhythm and their chemistry is on point and they can do all these skilled plays. And DQ starts leaning more and more on Panarin, Zibanejad, Strome, and goaltending because they're in a groove. But they still miss the playoffs because in the beginning of the season, or after a long break (Bubble playoffs) these plays don't work because they're rusty. So the team stinks. They can't play any other way and win ugly, the way NYI does. NYI always does really well a the start of the season. I guarantee you we see this bullshit again next year if DQ stays on.

 

[Taluss]

thats assuming they are willing to give up Byfield, but why would they? As far as actual NHL roster players, I think they don't have anyone on the level of Strome of Buchnevich. They're not trading Doughty or Kopitar soo... if they wanna gut their amazing GOAT of all time prospect pool, then fine.

Agreed with all points. If both teams are in I suppose it ends up being a question of what does Sabres want now. I’m expecting LA to offer a top C prospect ++ which is probably enticing for Sabres. But if they still want to be competitive now it would be hard to turn down a Ny package with Buch/Strome ++.

 

[bobbop]

thats assuming they are willing to give up Byfield, but why would they? As far as actual NHL roster players, I think they don't have anyone on the level of Strome of Buchnevich. They're not trading Doughty or Kopitar soo... if they wanna gut their amazing GOAT of all time prospect pool, then fine.

Let me reiterate something I posted earlier this week. The Kings “off limits” list for Eichel is very short. They have strong interest. The teams talked extensively before the deadline and may have been laying the groundwork for an off season deal.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Let me reiterate something I posted earlier this week. The Kings “off limits” list for Eichel is very short. They have strong interest. The teams talked extensively before the deadline and may have been laying the groundwork for an off season deal.

does the list include Byfield? I guess Buffalo could definitely be interested in a package of Vilardi + Turcotte + Kaliyev +