Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Did they start Blackwell on the 4th before moving him up with the skill guys? I still think he can play that role better than Rooney or PDG but I get that he's tiny.

 

[Edge]

Is Vegas desperate enough to win to move someone like Glass for one year of Zibanejad?

I have no idea but I would assume no

That's honestly a fair question and one that also has to factor in that Zibanejad isn't even playing at the level he was two seasons ago.

If you get two playoff runs out of him, perhaps they make that deal. But that complicates things a bit for the Rangers, and presents a challenge for Vegas when considering their current cap situation.

All that aside for a second, it is worth noting that Vegas has two players the Rangers really liked --- Glass and Krebs.

 

[CupSeeker]

I'd scratch Rooney or PDG before I scratch Blackwell.

Howden is ass but Quinn ain't scratching him especially not with his role on the PK.

It really shouldn't surprise that Blackwell has tailed off. He's not a top 6 and PP1 guy so it was only a matter of time before he started to level off. I still think he can be a terrific energy guy in the bottom 6.

The problem with Blackwell is he gets knocked around in the D zone which lead to getting bogged down. He is ok in the O-zone. In the D zone he is a liability which isn't a fit for a bottom six role. He is built for the top 6 but he's not good enough to play there on a good team.

 

[leetch99]

There are so face-off specialists out there. I like Peca, but we could also dig up someone like Dave Scatchard or Mike Sillinger. Shit, I almost suggested digging up Peter Zezel (RIP).

Zenon Konopka....plus he likely would still fight a guy like Ritchie LOL....He had a great win percentage on the draws if I remember correctly...as the FO discussion is not a new thing for us by any means....we have sucked for a bit now.

 

[duhmetreE]

That's honestly a fair question and one that also has to factor in that Zibanejad isn't even playing at the level he was two seasons ago.

If you get two playoff runs out of him, perhaps they make that deal. But that complicates things a bit for the Rangers, and presents a challenge for Vegas when considering their current cap situation.

All that aside for a second, it is worth noting that Vegas has two players the Rangers really liked --- Glass and Krebs.

Yes, please!

Krebs can be a Barzal and/or Point type.. Probably closer to Barzal

Zibs @ 5o% could entice a lot of Contenders... 2 cup runs can lands us a great return.

 

[BKGooner]

Nolan Patrick may need a change of scenery.

I was wondering about that before the season started and the Flyers got him back on the ice. It's a risky move to hold him if there is an offer or to let him go and have him turn into a monster somewhere else.

 

[Trxjw]

Nolan Patrick may need a change of scenery.

Eh, I mean this is the first time the kid has played hockey in a year and a half. We saw how hard it was for players to adjust with a 5 month break and no camp. Exponentially worse for him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

That's honestly a fair question and one that also has to factor in that Zibanejad isn't even playing at the level he was two seasons ago.

If you get two playoff runs out of him, perhaps they make that deal. But that complicates things a bit for the Rangers, and presents a challenge for Vegas when considering their current cap situation.

All that aside for a second, it is worth noting that Vegas has two players the Rangers really liked --- Glass and Krebs.

the Rangers would have to know for certain they’re trading for Eichel at the deadline/in the summer in order to move Mika now. Which is probably unlikely

Unless as mentioned Vegas is desperate enough and thinks they can afford Mika’s next deal. Similar to the Stone deal. Tough to say

Do you know if the Rangers think Krebs can be an effective center at the NHL level?

 

[leetch99]

Why I also want Bennett... Smith gets boarded and Shesty gets f***d with by the same guy... Little Rat taking advantage of Fox... I think it was Laf being surrounded by Bruins in the crease where Mika just gingerly skated away...

That shit should not fly.. Why has Lemmy been neutered? I do not like this version...

Where is the teams balls and intensity from that one Boston game?

Soft Euros....soft College players...and even a couple of soft Canucks probably . We likely got them all....and so do the Sabres which is why they can't win either....the mix is bad . It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out....look at what that A hole got away with last night and us up by 4 goals....that is when you get your revenge . Somebody should have answered that slewfoot on our goalie . It can't be open season . We should have sent somebody after Hughes ....go for the jugular and fix this crap. Even something as simple as a two handed cross check or a shot to the balls....that only cost 5 Grand ...all it cost Ovie.....that would get their attention .

 

[leetch99]

If I'm the Sabres, I would wait. Flames just fired Ward, so I imagine the team gets one more run and Sutter gets to evaluate. But some big players will be available there this summer.

And there was word that some of the lockerrom has been getting annoyed with Tkachuk, he stirs it up too much and they get pulled into after the whistle stuff. That was an eye opener for me. You need to change that culture. Either cave into that and move Tkachuk, or send out names like Monahan and Gaudreau. Either way, those packages beat ours.

That is the problem with both Tkachuk brothers....they both go too far too often and I understand the other players not wanting to partake in that at every whistle.....as I also know that is simply not a part of everybody's game every scrum....every now and then it is fine...but not every second shift .

 

[Edge]

the Rangers would have to know for certain they’re trading for Eichel at the deadline/in the summer in order to move Mika now. Which is probably unlikely

Unless as mentioned Vegas is desperate enough and thinks they can afford Mika’s next deal. Similar to the Stone deal. Tough to say

Do you know if the Rangers think Krebs can be an effective center at the NHL level?

Back in 2019, they liked his potential to stick at center. He's played a lot of LW the second half of last season. I don't know where he played in the AHL this year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Could guys like him and Dahlin be a crossroads?
Pierre criticizing Dahlin this morning on Ottawa radio and he rarely does that with young players. He basically said he was lean and quick when he first came into league and now not so much lol

He's getting Buffalo'd.

I'd take him in a second though. He'd floruish here.

 

[cwede]

getting these guys 'back' 8^)

 

[NYSPORTS]

Assuming Raty drops and the Rangers miss the playoffs. Should he be the target? Even if the Rangers need to make a trade? Raty does have good size and between a Laf and Kakko i wonder.

 

[DutchShamrock]

That is the problem with both Tkachuk brothers....they both go too far too often and I understand the other players not wanting to partake in that at every whistle.....as I also know that is simply not a part of everybody's game every scrum....every now and then it is fine...but not every second shift .

So I'm not disagreeing, but you can take a guy with too much and tone it down with maturity or experience. But it's really hard to add grit and bite to a player's game. Calgary needs more and not less. But that is their problem and not ours.

I just thought it was an interesting tidbit. It opens up a bigger range of trade candidates.

 

[leetch99]

I've gotten the sense that while they are very happy with what Rooney and others have done, they aren't completely married to them either. I would imagine there's more comfort with an established bottom six player, than more of the journeyman type who surprise you with their play in the role.

Having said that, I don't see them hellbent on making a deal there. Just something they are tracking.

Right now, they are focused on getting Panarin back, along with Trouba, getting Chytil at full speed again, getting Kakko back and potentially adding Kravtsov, or even Barron.

I think they should focus more on Zibs then some of the others . No way we can engineer any kind of mega trade with a question mark like him hanging over the organization. He might be worthless the way he is performing this year . Is it Covid concussion or an injury or is some government coming down on his family too ? Care to surmise on that situation @Edge . Surely there is concern and no way another club would want him in a trade right now . That is a box the Rangers have to CHECK before anything happens .

 

[duhmetreE]

Krebs also looks like Adam Fox's brother...

Chin Towers

 

[Ola]

I'm not convinced he's completely healthy--or maybe just not conditioned. He started off the season great with something like 5 points in the first 7 games.

Maybe, but to some extent, I think there really are many many observations that can be made that points towards that we should change how “size” is valued when young forwards are scouted.

If you have a young talented forward that is 6’4 — is that positive or negative? Or would it be better if the same forward was say 5’11? All kinds of arguments can be made in both directions. But from my POV, when I sort it out to the best of my ability — size on a young forward is definitely a negative. AINEC. Honestly, if we go back 10 years and look at how kids have fared — how can anyone come to the conclusion that being 6’3-4 is an advantage for a forward?

There is and will always be exceptions. But I definitely think you are getting to a point where you can say that the really big forward doing well is the new “Theo Fleury”. The new “MSL”. The exception to the rule.

I think some of the worst decisions will be made if you look at a young forward and attribute the fact that he is like 6’3 a lot of positive value.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Theres no way the Rangers are trading Mika. I think they're gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and let him try and bounce back next season. His past 2 seasons have earned him that.

 

[leetch99]

The problem with Blackwell is he gets knocked around in the D zone which lead to getting bogged down. He is ok in the O-zone. In the D zone he is a liability which isn't a fit for a bottom six role. He is built for the top 6 but he's not good enough to play there on a good team.

You have made some great points ! I tend to agree with what you just said about him . You can see that if you stop and think about it for sure .

 

[ArPanet]

What player has impressed you most this season defensively?​

Jack Eichel has the best defensive numbers in the league. No idea how, but that’s just the way things are right now. So I guess it’d have to be him.

JFresh's Mailbag - March 5

 

[Lion Hound]

Zibanejad to Vegas seems like a really good fit for the Knights. With that said, is that a good move for the Rangers? I mean, they are a team that is still on the hunt for that coveted Center position. Even in his down year, if you polled the board right now #93 OR #16. One has to go one stays. I would bet 65/25 are in favor of #93 staying even in his down season. So would the club commit to a move that would set the rebuild back for the now? They are 3 year into this thing.

For the Knights;

Chandler Stevenson and William Karlsson are currently centering the top 2 lines. Recently Chandler Stephenson is up top with Pacioretty and Stone. He is also centering PP1. Karlsson is QB on PP 2.
Maybe move Stevenson down and move Glass up to the wing? Currently both Centers in Vegas top 6 are Lefty's. Zibanejad (Righty) changes that dynamic. Pacioretty is a Lefty. Righty feeding the Left handed goal scorer off the Rush just like Mika has been doing for years with #20.


I think sliding Zibanejad up top and in PP1 could give the Knights that depth for a playoff run.

Top 6
Pacioretty Stevenson Stone
Marcessault Karlsson Smith

3rd and 4th line
Kolesar Glass Tuch
Carrier Nosek Reaves

PP 1
Stone Stevenson Pacioretty
Theodore Glass

From a Value Standpoint:

Mika has this year and next year remaining at a very affordable $5,350,000 cap hit. Use Kevin Hayes as a comparable. He got a 1st and a scrappy depth player. At the time Hayes was an impending free agent. Mika has one more year left. If moved this year, I would assume a 1st line Center under 30 years old with an extra year remaining would garner a 1st rounder plus a A prospect not yet in the NHL. or..Maybe an A prospect.

Maybe 2020 1st, and Peyton Krebs? Too much? Rangers can maybe add a pick or a B/C prospect

Or

Cody Glass for Mika Zibanejad - See the Derek Brassard trade. Cap doesn't work. Maybe Reaves and Glass for Zbad and a pick. 2nd or a 3rd?

For the Rangers, i think it does make sense to look at the possibility of moving him. Not because its a down year for him. I'm on the side of the fence that believes he will rebound hot and heavy. I am also on the side of the fence that knows when indeed he does rebound that the NYR's will have to allocate serious money for him. So...Lets say he does rebound. He returns to the fan favorite point producing center that we have seen in the past. What does his next contract look like? Is that even an Option? Like are the Rangers looking at $8-$9 Million to keep him? I would assume a healty producing Mika is close to that.

Maybe more importantly, what does this club look like without #93?

 

[leetch99]

So I'm not disagreeing, but you can take a guy with too much and tone it down with maturity or experience. But it's really hard to add grit and bite to a player's game. Calgary needs more and not less. But that is their problem and not ours.

I just thought it was an interesting tidbit. It opens up a bigger range of trade candidates.

I think though they are getting TOO much grit /extra curricular activity after the play from one guy is the problem when he is also a big part of their offensive strategy....and we all know it takes a long stick to score from the P Box ! He could pick his spots a bit better...and let's face it.....the refs will also get sick of it eventually . I do agree though...it is almost impossible to add grit to some players game....and I harp on it a lot LOL....like beating a dead horse LMAO.....

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Buffalo about to have a presser

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Buffalo about to have a presser

Probably to fire Kreuger