Player Discussion: official trade deadline 2025 // discussion thread

[CBJWerenski8]

If he's not signed before the deadline but hasn't ruled out an extension, are you trading him?

If we’re so far apart in negotiations that neither side has circled back to each other again, yes.

If he feels there’s a 50+% chance to sign him, then keep him and see what happens.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I just dont' see them letting him walk for nothing. It sucks but you still have to think big picture at this stage. That's my opinion. it would be different, to me, if this team was already a playoff team and felt that had a chance to go deep. I just don't see it. If so, you have to move him, as much as that sucks.

Maybe "thinking big picture" is riding this feel-good wave as far as you can? Maybe that's not "walking for nothing"?

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

Maybe "thinking big picture" is riding this feel-good wave as far as you can? Maybe that's not "walking for nothing"?

A playoff stretch run for a lot of young players who haven't been in this position before also could be seen as a "big picture" benefit.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

A playoff stretch run for a lot of young players who haven't been in this position before also could be seen as a "big picture" benefit.

They’re probably going to get that with or without Provorov though. But without a doubt having him helps our chances of actually getting in, for sure.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

A playoff stretch run for a lot of young players who haven't been in this position before also could be seen as a "big picture" benefit.

Right and just to clarify my position, you'd have to decide the value in keeping Provorov - even if you don't know if you'll be able to extend him - is worth it even if you don't end up making the playoffs.

But as CBJW says above, trading Provorov doesn't necessarily mean the team is taking itself out of contention, either. You have to guess how a message is going to be read in the room and what the room is going to do with that message.

I just feel like this is a more complicated decision than "trade him or sign him," and that assets have other ways to measure their value.

 

[MAHJ71]

For those in the not let Provorov walk for nothing camp:

Why can’t GMDW continue to try and sign him in the off-season and if he fails, trade his rights before FA starts or work a sign a trade to help with the return at that time?

Is another 1st round pick really going to make or break the team’s long term future?

I’d rather roll the dice and keep him for this playoff race… 1st round exit or not, I feel just making it this season after an unthinkable tragedy would go a long way towards continuing to build the right culture around the team.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

They’re probably going to get that with or without Provorov though. But without a doubt having him helps our chances of actually getting in, for sure.

For sure. The dream would be to turn him into an asset and still make the playoffs.

I just like their chances better with him on the ice and, I would imagine, his teammates probably feel that way too.

Obviously who knows how people really feel and what actually goes on in the locker room (that's why the braintrust gets the big bucks!) but I don't think I'm out on a huge limb to think that the teammates who've been fighting this season together probably want to stay together.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I’d rather roll the dice and keep him for this playoff race… 1st round exit or not, I feel just making it this season after an unthinkable tragedy would go a long way towards continuing to build the right culture around the team.

What if "not first round exit" means they didn't make the playoffs?

 

[majormajor]

Would totally agree with you if the upside of this team was bigger than a first round exit. Trading Provorov would probably piss off the room. But sometimes you have to make hard decisions like that, and maybe the hard decision is the exact opposite and they keep him instead. I know this draft isn’t very good, but if you can get a first for him Id do it

Ideally we would trade Provorov AND land that big shutdown upgrade we've been looking for (for me Pelech). The room would be excited about that, so I'd try and pull those two trades off at the same time.

I'd also love to know how high they are on Daemon Hunt. Every report we have on him is that he's solid and looks ready. If he comes up and plays well then I don't think the players will feel let down.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Ideally we would trade Provorov AND land that big shutdown upgrade we've been looking for (for me Pelech). The room would be excited about that, so I'd try and pull those two trades off at the same time.

I'd also love to know how high they are on Daemon Hunt. Every report we have on him is that he's solid and looks ready. If he comes up and plays well then I don't think the players will feel let down.

Yeah this works too. If they swing a different deal for a top 4 shutdown D with term, and deal Provorov, can’t be too mad about that.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

friedman brought up matias maccelli as a potential trade candidate. would love to get him here. and they could certainly use a provorov type player.

lamoreaux looks like he'll be ready soon, too. not sure if kesselring will actually be available but something around provorov+ for maccelli and kesselring might be fun.

Why can’t GMDW continue to try and sign him in the off-season and if he fails, trade his rights before FA starts or work a sign a trade to help with the return at that time?

he certainly could do those things, but the value for each would be marginal at best.

Is another 1st round pick really going to make or break the team’s long term future?

if waddell acquires a first rounder for provorov they won't have it long imo.

let's say they trade provorov and get back a first rounder. having three firsts in a draft + good young players who aren't necessarily core pieces (ex: sillinger, chinakhov) gives them plenty of ammo to make a godfather offer for a cost-controlled star.

travis konecny's NTC doesn't kick in until after the draft. same story with jordan kyrou.

 

[majormajor]

Pelech is my clear #1 trade target and the reason I'm relatively indifferent to LHD vs RHD issues is that we have a clear template from Tampa of how a D can work even with a lot of handedness imbalance.

Hedman -
McDonagh -
Sergachev -

Is the cup winning left side, and all three played well over 20 minutes a night - Sergachev split time between 3LD and 1RD.

Werenski -
Pelech -
Mateychuk -

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I'm not sure how our right side would look though. We don't have a sturdy shutdown type like a Cernak, Gudbranson can't play those minutes and Severson isn't that strong. But Severson profiles as a better neutral zone defender and can move pucks for his pairing. So maybe he'd pair with Pelech in this scenario. Or maybe Mateychuk would be the best fit for right side duty - I'd love it if we had a better look of him on the right side rather than just Provorov there, Mateychuk has played the right side extensively in junior (I think his first year the pairing was Hunt - Mateychuk).

 

[MAHJ71]

What if "not first round exit" means they didn't make the playoffs?

Cost of going for it.. not the end of the world. Players would still get something out of it — doubt any of them wouldn’t recognize what team passed on to go for it.

friedman brought up matias maccelli as a potential trade candidate. would love to get him here. and they could certainly use a provorov type player.

lamoreaux looks like he'll be ready soon, too. not sure if kesselring will actually be available but something around provorov+ for maccelli and kesselring might be fun.


he certainly could do those things, but the value for each would be marginal at best.

if waddell acquires a first rounder for provorov they won't have it long imo.

let's say they trade provorov and get back a first rounder. having three firsts in a draft + good young players who aren't necessarily core pieces (ex: sillinger, chinakhov) gives them plenty of ammo to make a godfather offer for a cost-controlled star.

travis konecny's NTC doesn't kick in until after the draft. same story with jordan kyrou.

If Kyrou or someone his caliber is coming back shortly after dealing, sure that’s understandable to both fans and the team

 

[majormajor]

friedman brought up matias maccelli as a potential trade candidate. would love to get him here. and they could certainly use a provorov type player.

lamoreaux looks like he'll be ready soon, too. not sure if kesselring will actually be available but something around provorov+ for maccelli and kesselring might be fun.

Maccelli is a throw in type of player at this point - I'm still curious how he'd do here but it's not as appealing now that the games are getting heavier down the stretch and we have bodies coming back, it made more sense when we had top six vacancies through the middle part of the season. Maccelli needs time to figure things out and he seems like he might get caught in that top six or bust gap. He's currently a scratch.

if waddell acquires a first rounder for provorov they won't have it long imo.

let's say they trade provorov and get back a first rounder. having three firsts in a draft + good young players who aren't necessarily core pieces (ex: sillinger, chinakhov) gives them plenty of ammo to make a godfather offer for a cost-controlled star.

If it was a 2025 1st coming back, then I'd agree that we'd probably spend it before the draft. I don't think drafting three 1sts this summer fits the organizational position right now. But it's much more likely to be 2026 and 2027 1sts in play. Contenders don't have many 2025 1sts remaining. And those 2026 and 2027 1sts are ideal ammo to hang on to until those deadlines when we are interested in making a run.

 

[Napoli]

Ideally we would trade Provorov AND land that big shutdown upgrade we've been looking for (for me Pelech). The room would be excited about that, so I'd try and pull those two trades off at the same time.

I'd also love to know how high they are on Daemon Hunt. Every report we have on him is that he's solid and looks ready. If he comes up and plays well then I don't think the players will feel let down.

I agree that if they trade Provorov, there needs to be some kind of replacement.

Provorov, player value debate aside, is going to want a lot of money and I doubt he'd sign at what he's actually worth for a hometown discount. The team and the room deserves a replacement.

The replacement doesnt have to be a hyped name but Pelech would be a great fit and is more of what this team needs.

I'd keep Severson on the 3rd pair (where he belongs) and move Mateychuk to the right. If there was ever a player that could do it, who is currently on the roster, it's him.

 

[Napoli]

friedman brought up matias maccelli as a potential trade candidate. would love to get him here. and they could certainly use a provorov type player.

lamoreaux looks like he'll be ready soon, too. not sure if kesselring will actually be available but something around provorov+ for maccelli and kesselring might be fun.

I don't think Utah is trading Kesslering but this would be a great trade for Columbus.

I'm not very fond of Utah's coach, I think Maccelli could find what he had in Phoenix with Evason. The vision is real and he'd add a lot more scoring than our current bottom 6 which is pretty bad. Him and KJ would do beautiful things.

Kesselring is a good player that I doubt will be traded, young, great skater and solid defensively. Utah isnt letting go of him for a rental.

I'd entertain a pick for Maccelli, push bad players like ZAR further down the lineup.

 

[majormajor]

I don't think Utah is trading Kesslering but this would be a great trade for Columbus.

I'm not very fond of Utah's coach, I think Maccelli could find what he had in Phoenix with Evason. The vision is real and he'd add a lot more scoring than our current bottom 6 which is pretty bad. Him and KJ would do beautiful things.

Kesselring is a good player that I doubt will be traded, young, great skater and solid defensively. Utah isnt letting go of him for a rental.

I'd entertain a pick for Maccelli, push bad players like ZAR further down the lineup.

Maccelli might be free for the taking at this point.

 

[Nanabijou]

I was in the 'trade Provorov for a first at the deadline' camp earlier in the season. However, I've changed my opinion. I think this team has earned the right to continue the battle together for a playoff spot. Instead of spending big assets to 'buy', I'm good with the potential to lose IP as the cost this year in making a playoff run. Add a veteran forward who won't cost a lot of assets and see how far this group can go.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

They could also deal Provorov and then use the Wild's 1st rounder to trade for a defenseman at the deadline