Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: Going 8-0 to close out might not be enough!

[egelband]

I'm secretly hoping Rueschhoff makes the team soon. That guy, like Edström will tower over people

Bring back the Twin Towers. Respectfully.

 

[egelband]

I would pay almost anything outside of our untouchables to have Kreider off the books going forward.

I understand the sentiment but I don’t think he’s the worst spent $6.5m. He has had a streaky year. Maybe he’s injured. Maybe he’s adjusting to a different kind of role. I don’t know but I don’t think he’s a Tyler Johnson level albatross or anything.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Bring back the Twin Towers. Respectfully.

Our 4th line in a year or so when Karl Henriksson is centering Austin Rueschhoff and Adam Edström

 

[jay from jersey]

Florida is intriguing, but with varied opinions on the feasibility.

I’ve had some people say they think it could emerge as a legit option, others are more skeptical.

FLA is not going to spend any cash at FWD until Hubbey and Barkov are locked up long term. They certainly won’t move Lundell whose cheap, cost controlled with a lot of potential without being certain of the fate of their 2 best players. The Yandle deal hurts the panthers a lot. I also believe they are very wary of the Ekbald injury. I can’t see them adding serious coin and assets on a winger at the moment until they lock up their 2 thoroughbreds and have a more clear picture on the blue line.

the only way I think they make a run at Buch is if they can get Stralman or Yandle off their cap for a cheap impact D. Time will tell, but FLA top 9 are playing pretty well right now and I think the blue line is where they are currently focused for the time being. Things could change for sure, but I’m glass half empty not half full on Buch being a Panther anytime soon
The Emergence of Verheagie as a legitimate player to go along with their other cheap guys like Duclair has really leased the desire for them to make a move on the wings. Add in the great play of Bennett, SMH and I think they are content to run this line up until their pups like Tippet and Denisenko take a larger roll. I think them moving Lundell for anything less then silly overpayment is a pipe dream. They just don’t have the need to right now

 

[mas0764]

I’m in a twilight zone with the video game trade crew here...

89 seems to be inseparable with 93...Think that has any weight? Chemistry? 93’s next contract? Or is this all in your PS3 where you trade for another piece and all of this occurs within a computer simulation? Asking for a friend.

The one who isn’t operating in reality but fantasy here isn’t us, it’s the person who thinks there shouldn’t be any discussion of moving Buch.

 

[mas0764]

I understand the sentiment but I don’t think he’s the worst spent $6.5m. He has had a streaky year. Maybe he’s injured. Maybe he’s adjusting to a different kind of role. I don’t know but I don’t think he’s a Tyler Johnson level albatross or anything.

Kreider always has a streaky year.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I would feel better about a non-high skill player coming back in a Buch trade if it also included that team's 2023 1st.

Stepan trade reboot.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I’m in a twilight zone with the video game trade crew here...

89 seems to be inseparable with 93...Think that has any weight? Chemistry? 93’s next contract? Or is this all in your PS3 where you trade for another piece and all of this occurs within a computer simulation? Asking for a friend.

Well, in that line of thinking:

Its probably best we sell Buch now before his "lock up term" contract then we move on from Zibanejad down the road and Buch isn't living up to the AAV.

 

[mas0764]

I’d by lying if I said I could rule it out.

I know that’s not a very exciting answer, but it is within the realm of possibilities.

On paper you’d say if Buch is 26 years old and on pace for 60 points, you’d want back a center who is 26-ish and on pace for 60 points. But because center is a prime position you probably have to give up some production for the positional premium.

Or, you can probably get production equivalence but you have to give up age... ie older with less prime years remaining, or.... younger with developmental uncertainty that they become 60 point players.

I lean toward the latter.

 

[Synergy27]

I’m in a twilight zone with the video game trade crew here...

89 seems to be inseparable with 93...Think that has any weight? Chemistry? 93’s next contract? Or is this all in your PS3 where you trade for another piece and all of this occurs within a computer simulation? Asking for a friend.

Yikes.

 

[Edge]

On paper you’d say if Buch is 26 years old and on pace for 60 points, you’d want back a center who is 26-ish and on pace for 60 points. But because center is a prime position you probably have to give up some production for the positional premium.

Or, you can probably get production equivalence but you have to give up age... ie older with less prime years remaining, or.... younger with developmental uncertainty that they become 60 point players.

I lean toward the latter.

I kind of think for long-term planning, balance and maybe even cap purposes they'd prefer a young, cheaper option with runway ahead of him.

To your point, if you're doing something closer to a 1 for 1 swap, you're correct in assuming they probably target a forward who has 60 point upside.

If they go for more of the roster balance, immediate pay-off approach, you could be looking at a forward and defenseman combination - albeit with lower offense.

 

[True Blue]

Lundell! Lundell! Lundell!

That is not the diversification that is being discussed. So that's one thing. For another, teams do not trade legit top line players in their prime for unproven prospects.

 

[mas0764]

That is not the diversification that is being discussed. So that's one thing. For another, teams do not trade legit top line players in their prime for unproven prospects.

It's not the diversification who is discussing?

Seems like we are in fact discussing it.

As for what teams will or will not do it seems like Edge is implying it's his belief that the Rangers would prefer to trade Buch for a young player "with runway," ie, a player that they project to someday be what Buch is now.

Whether that's a kid who has scored 20 NHL points or zero is splitting hairs.

 

[True Blue]

It's not the diversification who is discussing?

Seems like we are in fact discussing it.

YOU are discussing it. Not being flip here, but again that is just wishful thinking. Teams really do not make trades like that.

The diversification was to reshape the roster to be able to compete in a north-south game. The team needs to be both tougher to play against and be able to play in multiple ways.

 

[mas0764]

YOU are discussing it. Not being flip here, but again that is just wishful thinking. Teams really do not make trades like that.

The diversification was to reshape the roster to be able to compete in a north-south game. The team needs to be both tougher to play against and be able to play in multiple ways.

Not just me discussing it.

 

[Vitto79]

I still say Gorton will go big fish hunting at C
If Eichel is available they can offer a lot

I hope it’s a Chytil. Strome , Jones , 1st at Max
but Buffalo will ask for Buch , Kravtsov

Throwing in Hajek , Gauthier sure but that won’t be much value

 

[True Blue]

So when they trade Buch for a 30-40 point utility center and other stuff this place is gonna melt down about the terrible value. Noted.

The fun part is figuring out which 26-28 y/o C is gonna be the guy. To h-ref!

That is part of what I mean when I say that the roster diversification may come via a trade that most will hate the return for. Trading Buchnevich may not bring back a 50 point center.

 

[True Blue]

Not just me discussing it.

Ok. Keep discussing. Does not change the fact that these types of trades really do not happen.

 

[True Blue]

but Buffalo will ask for Buch , Kravtsov

Of course they would. Why wouldn't they? In any possible deal for Eichel, you can bet that Chytil and a Lundqvist type of prospect are part of the deal. Plus someone like a Buch.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I still say Gorton will go big fish hunting at C
If Eichel is available they can offer a lot

I hope it’s a Chytil. Strome , Jones , 1st at Max
but Buffalo will ask for Buch , Kravtsov

Throwing in Hajek , Gauthier sure but that won’t be much value

rather get Barkov. better player and plays a 200 foot game

 

[mas0764]

Ok. Keep discussing. Does not change the fact that these types of trades really do not happen.

Gomez for McDonagh and Brassard for Zibanejad and a second don't really happen either.

 

[Avery16]

Erat for Forsberg has been pointed out a number of times here. Ryan O'Reilly in his prime, plus cap space were acquired for Tage Thompson, a 1st and a 2nd

 

[True Blue]

Gomez for McDonagh and Brassard for Zibanejad and a second don't really happen either.

Ummm.....let's try this one again, shall we? First of all, Gomez was not traded for McD one on one. Second of all, at the time of the deal he was already FAR from being a in your prime elite top line players. Third of all, Zibanejad was FAR from an unproven prospect who has never played a second of the NHL.

Try again.

 

[True Blue]

Erat for Forsberg has been pointed out a number of times here. Ryan O'Reilly in his prime, plus cap space were acquired for Tage Thompson, a 1st and a 2nd

Back to the drawing board on this as well. The O'Reilly deal was not a one for one as well. And that is what is being pushed. Dealing a Buchnevich for a Lundel type. So if we are talking about Florida throwing in a 1st and second rounder as well, not to mention other roster players, that is a completely different discussion.

The Erat and Forsberg was already discussed. The Caps were in a completely different situation and were looking to cement their run to the Cup. But even let's give this one trade. Let's go with this one meeting the standard. That STILL does not really change the fact that these type of deals (dealing an in prime, legit top liner for an unproven prospect) really do not happen.

 

[Avery16]

Back to the drawing board on this as well. The O'Reilly deal was not a one for one as well. And that is what is being pushed. Dealing a Buchnevich for a Lundel type. So if we are talking about Florida throwing in a 1st and second rounder as well, not to mention other roster players, that is a completely different discussion.

The Erat and Forsberg was already discussed. The Caps were in a completely different situation and were looking to cement their run to the Cup. But even let's give this one trade. Let's go with this one meeting the standard. That STILL does not really change the fact that these type of deals (dealing an in prime, legit top liner for an unproven prospect) really do not happen.

You must be a real hit at parties.

 

[Savant]

If they are trading Buch 1 for 1 it needs to be for either a player that does something that the Redundant Rangers don’t do well and/or a guy on their second contract as opposed to Buchnevich going on his third contract. You aren’t getting value on any other kind of Buchnevich trade.