Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXII: “The Year of the Plague’s” last one...

[duhmetreE]

Any potential deal where we land a 22 year old center with 1C potential, you are going to give up something that hits you right in the gut. It's going to hurt. If you look at a potential offer and it doesn't hurt, sorry, but it's not realistic. This is a kid with pretty tremendous value and it is not often that a potential 1C center with his skillset at 22 years old comes to the market.

like Brassard for Zibanejad?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I mean, if I'm looking at ADA + Chytil + B prospect + 1st for PLD, I'm calling CAL about Monahan and Lindholm (to see if either can be had for less) and BUF about Eichel (to see how much more he would cost) before I pull the trigger.

 

[Avery16]

like Brassard for Zibanejad?

Losing Brassard was not a gut punch for everyone here. He overdelivered on expectations while here, but was peaking at 2C and we were about to lose flexibility in moving on.

 

[Avery16]

I mean, if I'm looking at ADA + Chytil + B prospect + 1st for PLD, I'm calling CAL about Monahan and Lindholm (to see if either can be had for less) and BUF about Eichel (to see how much more he would cost) before I pull the trigger.

Eichel>>>PLD>>>Monahan/Lindholm

 

[duhmetreE]

Losing Brassard was not a gut punch for everyone here. He overdelivered on expectations while here, but was peaking at 2C and we were about to lose flexibility in moving on.

... that's the point.

Trading for PLD should not be a gut punch.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

If we acquired PLD and then traded Zibby it would better be for a C better than Zibby. Say a Zib++ for Eichel trade.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

like Brassard for Zibanejad?

That is exactly what CBJ would like to avoid. That was the trade of the century for NYR and obviously it'd be nice to repeat it but its not realistic at all.

 

[Avery16]

... that's the point.

Trading for PLD should not be a gut punch.

Edit: never mind, I see I misread you.

 

[True Blue]

Why? Maybe he prefers the wing?

Maybe. Or maybe that is the best position that his coaches thought that he could play and attain success..

 

[Edge]

Giving up 4 pieces for Eichel is one thing but risking 4 pieces on a bit of a question mark is tough to swallow. Guess it would come down to what that secondary piece is. Would have to assume the pick would be a 1st and lottery protection comes into play there.

I can certainly buy into the fit of PLD. On paper he's almost ideal. If he hits that next level you can move on from Zib and avoid the decision of committing to a guy heading into his 30's with a bit of an injury history. Could maybe find the next Zibanejad in that trade while Strome stays attached to Panarin's hip in the interim.

I'd be curious to know where the team had him in 2016 given that they had Keller at 4 and there was a pretty consensus top-3 most of the year.

All valid concerns and food for thought in any discussion.

As for draft rankings, I'd have to go back and check, but I am pretty sure the Rangers top 5 in 2016 was Matthews, Laine, Keller, Tkachuk, Dubois.

If I'm remembering correctly, the Rangers had Poolparty at 6. That also jives with them looking to land the fourth pick from Edmonton and take Keller, if Columbus took Poolparty at 3.

 

[Trxjw]

If we acquired PLD and then traded Zibby it would better be for a C better than Zibby. Say a Zib++ for Eichel trade.

Not much incentive for Buffalo to trade Eichel for a center who can walk out the door. If the Rangers trade Zibanejad after a PLD acquisition it means they believe PLD is the future #1 center for this team.

 

[Trxjw]

All valid concerns and food for thought in any discussion.

As for draft rankings, I'd have to go back and check, but I am pretty sure the Rangers top 5 in 2016 was Matthews, Laine, Keller, Tkachuk, Dubois.

If I'm remembering correctly, the Rangers had Poolparty at 6. That also jives with them looking to land the fourth pick from Edmonton and take Keller, if Columbus took Poolparty at 3.

I guess I always assumed Keller was their guy at #4 because he was 4 on their list. Kudos to them for being less keen on JP than the hype train. Solid top-5 there.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I certainly dont think ADA + Chytil would get a deal for PLD done. This trade is probably a nightmare scenario for CBJ leadership and I am sure they are going to want top value in return. Personally, I think a deal around Kakko + one of our stud RD's for PLD is probably what it would cost. Value wise, maybe CBJ is getting more, but we are dealing surplus for need. At some point you have to cash in your chips. If the NYR brass believe this kid is the future, go all in and cash in some of the tremendous value that's been accumulated over the last few years.

Absolutely horrendous and awful

 

[Avery16]

If we acquired PLD and then traded Zibby it would better be for a C better than Zibby. Say a Zib++ for Eichel trade.

Zib has a NMC, can't see him waiving that for Buffalo, can't see Buffalo trading for someone who can bolt as UFA in a couple seasons.

 

[True Blue]

That is exactly what CBJ would like to avoid. That was the trade of the century for NYR and obviously it'd be nice to repeat it but its not realistic at all.

Everyone would want to avoid it, but you have no idea of how that ultimately plays out. ZBad wound up putting hockey first and raising his level to the point that he is one of the top two-way centers in the league. Could PLD do that? He might. But that requires some major steps forward by him. To give away DeAngelo + Chytil + B level prospect (and by that, I am talking about a Robertson/Miller) + a first rounder for a player that still needs to take some pretty big steps forward in order to justify the price, is a very big risk by the Rangers. If you were to tell me that DeAngelo, Chytil, Miller/Robertson/Lundqvist and another first rounder are being moved, I would expect that Eichel is coming back.

 

[Edge]

That's a Chiarelli type trade

PLD has been a 40 pt Player without Panarin. Being over valued here... People hate on Strome but he's out produced PLD with Panarin. ( PLD did have a good postseason though ) I do not give up anything remotely close to Kakko for PLD.

I really like PLD.

But in addition to the cost, there is also part of me that worries he is the type of player that people fall in love with and then over-project. They like and appreciate the total package, so there's always the risk of upping the offensive expectations.

PLD could have an entire new level to hit ( he is only 22 after all). But he could be a guy who more or less peaks in that 65 point range as well.

And to that point, you try to find a match that's more along the lines of Johansen than Duchene.

 

[TominNC]

I certainly dont think ADA + Chytil would get a deal for PLD done. This trade is probably a nightmare scenario for CBJ leadership and I am sure they are going to want top value in return. Personally, I think a deal around Kakko + one of our stud RD's for PLD is probably what it would cost. Value wise, maybe CBJ is getting more, but we are dealing surplus for need. At some point you have to cash in your chips. If the NYR brass believe this kid is the future, go all in and cash in some of the tremendous value that's been accumulated over the last few years.

Kakko is not a chip, he's a foundation.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I certainly dont think ADA + Chytil would get a deal for PLD done. This trade is probably a nightmare scenario for CBJ leadership and I am sure they are going to want top value in return. Personally, I think a deal around Kakko + one of our stud RD's for PLD is probably what it would cost. Value wise, maybe CBJ is getting more, but we are dealing surplus for need. At some point you have to cash in your chips. If the NYR brass believe this kid is the future, go all in and cash in some of the tremendous value that's been accumulated over the last few years.

I didn't know Peter Chiarelli posted here.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That's a Chiarelli type trade

PLD has been a 40 pt Player without Panarin. Being over valued here... People hate on Strome but he's out produced PLD with Panarin. ( PLD did have a good postseason though ) I do not give up anything remotely close to Kakko for PLD.

Calling PLD a 40 pt player without Panarin is one of the most disingenuous things I've read on here in quite some time

 

[TominNC]

Everyone would want to avoid it, but you have no idea of how that ultimately plays out. ZBad wound up putting hockey first and raising his level to the point that he is one of the top two-way centers in the league. Could PLD do that? He might. But that requires some major steps forward by him. To give away DeAngelo + Chytil + B level prospect (and by that, I am talking about a Robertson/Miller) + a first rounder for a player that still needs to take some pretty big steps forward in order to justify the price, is a very big risk by the Rangers. If you were to tell me that DeAngelo, Chytil, Miller/Robertson/Lundqvist and another first rounder are being moved, I would expect that Eichel is coming back.

Miller B level? He was a first round pick

 

[Edge]

Everyone would want to avoid it, but you have no idea of how that ultimately plays out. ZBad wound up putting hockey first and raising his level to the point that he is one of the top two-way centers in the league. Could PLD do that? He might. But that requires some major steps forward by him. To give away DeAngelo + Chytil + B level prospect (and by that, I am talking about a Robertson/Miller) + a first rounder for a player that still needs to take some pretty big steps forward in order to justify the price, is a very big risk by the Rangers. If you were to tell me that DeAngelo, Chytil, Miller/Robertson/Lundqvist and another first rounder are being moved, I would expect that Eichel is coming back.

If ADA is included, I have a hard time seeing them go with Miller or Lundkvist. Robertson perhaps.

But yes, when we talk Eichel, your price goes up.

The question will be how much other teams, and Columbus really focus on the age/upside dynamic.

At 25, that card gets a little harder play. But at 22/23? I think Columbus is going to work the angle and see if they can up the bidding.

If we're talking about ADA and Chytil, I am listening. If we go north of that, my concerns grow.

 

[NYR Viper]

If ADA is included, I have a hard time seeing them go with Miller or Lundkvist. Robertson perhaps.

But yes, when we talk Eichel, your price goes up.

The question will be how much other teams, and Columbus really focus on the age/upside dynamic.

At 25, that card gets a little harder play. But at 22/23? I think Columbus is going to work the angle and see if they can up the bidding.

If we're talking about ADA and Chytil, I am listening. If we go north of that, my concerns grow.

I could be wrong, but if a package of Chytil + ADA doesn't get them most of the way there, I'm out. That's a damn solid package, even if you are looking at adding in another player, say Robertson.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I really like PLD.

But in addition to the cost, there is also part of me that worries he is the type of player that people fall in love with and then over-project. They like and appreciate the total package, so there's always the risk of upping the offensive expectations.

PLD could have an entire new level to hit ( he is only 22 after all). But he could be a guy who more or less peaks in that 65 point range as well.

And to that point, you try to find a match that's more along the lines of Johansen than Duchene.

How did you view Mika before he broke out?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I could be wrong, but if a package of Chytil + ADA doesn't get them most of the way there, I'm out. That's a damn solid package, even if you are looking at adding in another player, say Robertson.

If Chytil and ADA don't get you most of the way there, then Columbus isn't serious about trading the player.

Jarmo is not a dummy and I anticipate that he'll take the best deal he can get. Like with Eichel, I don't see many teams that can jump up and realistically offer a better package than those 2 (when I say realistic, I don't mean the Senators building something around Tkachuk because that isn't happening.)

 

[Edge]

I could be wrong, but if a package of Chytil + ADA doesn't get them most of the way there, I'm out. That's a damn solid package, even if you are looking at adding in another player, say Robertson.

In a side conversation, I was saying that I don't feel comfortable giving up ADA plus a top prospect (be it Miller, Lundkvist, Kravtsov). To me, it's either/or.

You either get the established NHL talent, or get the potential of a top prospect. I don't like giving up both.

Admitedly, even ADA + Chytil has some serious potential to backfire. The saving grace being we have the depth to take that gamble.