Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXII: “The Year of the Plague’s” last one...

[Avery16]

Honestly, if he could become a 3C in the future that would be HUGE for this team.

Adam Graves comes to mind as someone who could play both positions but was much more devastating as a power winger than he was at C.

 

[SA16]

He’s better than Johnson

Which is why he will expect more money and PP time. I'd rather have Johnson at his contract that Vatanen at a multi-year deal if I was forced to take one.

 

[bl02]

What would the Rangers have to add to Kakko to land PLD?

Aaron portzline was just on Montreal radio amen said Dubois is definitely being traded. He wants out. Only thing that worries me is that probably 90 percent of the teams will be in on it driving up the price.

 

[Savant]

So is Pietrangelo. Why didn't they sign him?

Because Pietrangelo clearly only wanted to go to Vegas

 

[Savant]

Which is why he will expect more money and PP time. I'd rather have Johnson at his contract that Vatanen at a multi-year deal if I was forced to take one.

I would not. I’d rather the better player. And even taking Vatanen out of it, I’d rather have a RHD if the plan was to play DeAngelo at LHD.

 

[Zynbanejad]

What would the Rangers have to add to Kakko to land PLD?

We aren't trading Kakko lol

 

[rangers1314]

Aaron portzline was just on Montreal radio amen said Dubois is definitely being traded. He wants out. Only thing that worries me is that probably 90 percent of the teams will be in on it driving up the price.

I think Lebrun was kicking around a Liane/PLD swap today...

 

[NYR Viper]

JD has a good relationship with the management team in Columbus. The Rangers have a need for this type of player AND specifically his team friendly contract for the next 2 years which lines up perfectly with the shedding of the dead cap space. Age-wise he fits like a glove and his playing style is one that the team is clearly building towards (big, heavy team). The Rangers have a player in ADA who is also a RFA in 2 years time and wouldn't the Columbus blue line look phenomenal with Jones and ADA on the right side driving offense from the back-end? That team is built on getting in on the forecheck, creating turnovers, and creating havoc in front of the net with point shots.

 

[Kords]

I think Lebrun was kicking around a Liane/PLD swap today...

Torts and Laine, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

We aren't trading Kakko lol

Why wouldn't we? We have an absolute glut of wingers and if we were able to turn that into a legit 22 year old center with 1C potential, why wouldn't we turn in some surplus for a major need?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

JD has a good relationship with the management team in Columbus. The Rangers have a need for this type of player AND specifically his team friendly contract for the next 2 years which lines up perfectly with the shedding of the dead cap space. Age-wise he fits like a glove and his playing style is one that the team is clearly building towards (big, heavy team). The Rangers have a player in ADA who is also a RFA in 2 years time and wouldn't the Columbus blue line look phenomenal with Jones and ADA on the right side driving offense from the back-end? That team is built on getting in on the forecheck, creating turnovers, and creating havoc in front of the net with point shots.

Who are you adding on top of ADA, because I am sure it would be a LOT.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Torts and Laine, what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, I have some concerns about our guys as well in that regard

Does DeAngelo or Buchnevich (one of them who would have to go the other way to make salary work) strike anyone as guys Torts would like?

Cause I don’t lol

 

[True Blue]

I think they likely play him at wing as well, at least to start, but it should be noted that Kevin Hayes was a winger throughout most of college before shifting back to C as a pro.

Oh, I realize that. I am just saying that there are probably reasons as to why he was moved to wing and to simply assume that the Rangers will immediately move him back may not be very realstic.

 

[Trxjw]

I'll be curious to see PLD's value if/when the rumors start hitting the twitterverse. He was a horse in the post season but overall he's been a mixed bag offensively. I'm sure a team would like to get him sooner rather than later so they can evaluate him on a cheaper, shorter deal before they have to dish out a big contract to someone who might be "just" a good 55-60pt two-way center.

Laine seems like a horrible fit in Columbus even if it adds some marketability to the lineup in terms of high end skill. Though I would expect the Jackets will be looking for another Jones/Johansen deal as opposed to something heavy on the futures.

 

[True Blue]

I'll be curious to see PLD's value if/when the rumors start hitting the twitterverse.

Speaking only for me here, he is one of the longest tenured members of the board. I think that he may have more value here than in other places.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Kendo]

Speaking only for me here, he is one of the longest tenured members of the board. I think that he may have more value here than in other places.

He is, and always has been, overrated.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because Pietrangelo clearly only wanted to go to Vegas

And if Vatanen wanted to sign with us, they would have signed him if they wanted to.

Aside from the fact that Vatanen will ask for more than Johnson, it's not as easy as just approaching a guy and expect them to want to come here

 

[pld459666]

Was thinking about PLD as well and while I would expect that they would ask for Kakko, I have no doubt that the Rangers are unwilling to move him.

I believe there was some indication that Columbus is still looking to compete (with or w/o PLD) and if that is accurate any move for the kid is going to warrant current NHL Talent.

Any trade for the kid is going to sting be that in the form of one significant asset moving on, or in the form of an overpayment in terms of bodies.

I'd offer Buchnevich, DeAngelo and a 3rd for PLD.

Both Butchy and TDA are RFA's after their respective deals end and their ages fit well with what Columbus is probably going to want to do after a lot of older guys term out this season.

As for the potential Torts / Butchy & TDA relationship, I do not expect Torts to be there much longer. He's just about reached his shelf life.

 

[Edge]

I'll be curious to see PLD's value if/when the rumors start hitting the twitterverse. He was a horse in the post season but overall he's been a mixed bag offensively. I'm sure a team would like to get him sooner rather than later so they can evaluate him on a cheaper, shorter deal before they have to dish out a big contract to someone who might be "just" a good 55-60pt two-way center.

Laine seems like a horrible fit in Columbus even if it adds some marketability to the lineup in terms of high end skill. Though I would expect the Jackets will be looking for another Jones/Johansen deal as opposed to something heavy on the futures.

That is my probably my biggest concer with any PLD chatter.

Maybe he's a on the cusp of becoming an 80 point center, and one who fits like a glove with the Rangers.

On the other hand, he could be a guy who more or less stays at the 60-65 point level for the next 8 years.

There's certainly nothing wrong with the latter. The challenge is how much of a premium you pay to find out. Because I don't think the price is going to be the typical 65 point, two-way center price. I have a feeling the price is going to be closer to what you'd pay for an 80 point center.

There are probably enough teams out there willing to gamble on the higher offensive production that it drives the market. Columbus certainly is going to try and take full advantage of that.

I really like Dubois. I know for a fact that the Rangers have always liked him, even before JD and company came back to New York. The question is whether PLD is the guy for whom the Rangers break open the cupboard.

Spitballing, with the ground rule that Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox and Shesterkin are off the table, you're looking at just about anyone else 25 and under being in play --- Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist, ADA, Kravtsov, Schneider, Barron, Reunanen, Robertson, Hajek, Cuylle, Howden, Lemieux, Gauthier, Lindgren, etc. would all be in play.

I suspect Chytil would be a given. From there you're probably looking at one of Miller/Lundkvist, and at least one other piece or a combination of a secondary piece and a pick.

 

[NYR Viper]

That is my probably my biggest concer with any PLD chatter.

Maybe he's a on the cusp of becoming an 80 point center, and one who fits like a glove with the Rangers.

On the other hand, he could be a guy who more or less stays at the 60-65 point level for the next 8 years.

There's certainly nothing wrong with the latter. The challenge is how much of a premium you pay to find out. Because I don't think the price is going to be the typical 65 point, two-way center price. I have a feeling the price is going to be closer to what you'd pay for an 80 point center.

There are probably enough teams out there willing to gamble on the higher offensive production that it drives the market. Columbus certainly is going to try and take full advantage of that.

I really like Dubois. I know for a fact that the Rangers have always liked him, even before JD and company came back to New York. The question is whether PLD is the guy for whom the Rangers break open the cupboard.

Spitballing, with the ground rule that Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox and Shesterkin are off the table, you're looking at just about anyone else 25 and under being in play --- Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist, ADA, Kravtsov, Schneider, Barron, Reunanen, Robertson, Hajek, Cuylle, Howden, Lemieux, Gauthier, Lindgren, etc. would all be in play.

I suspect Chytil would be a given. From there you're probably looking at one of Miller/Lundkvist, and at least one other piece or a combination of a secondary piece and a pick.

The player you described is similar to Monahan who the Rangers were reportedly interested in over the off-season though right? At that point, would they rather pay a slight premium for perceived upside or go with the player with a longer track record.

I'd have to assume the package would be something like:

Chytil + ADA for PLD

Maybe some minor tweaks but it fits the cap for both teams and it fills a couple of holes for the Blue Jackets

 

[Edge]

The player you described is similar to Monahan who the Rangers were reportedly interested in over the off-season though right? At that point, would they rather pay a slight premium for perceived upside or go with the player with a longer track record.

I'd have to assume the package would be something like:

Chytil + ADA for PLD

Maybe some minor tweaks but it fits the cap for both teams and it fills a couple of holes for the Blue Jackets

Monahan was one name.

To you point, it could really depend on how the teams define "slight premium." If indeed it's a slight premium, I have little to no doubt the Rangers would pay it.

But if it's a substantial premium, and I think there's a better than average chance it will be, that's where things get tricky.

Everyone loves PLD the player. The only question centers on offensive ceiling. Are you looking at 65 points or are you thinking he has 80 in him?

The appeal for certain teams is the concept that you're potentially looking at someone who will be the Toews/Bergeron of the 2020s. Those teams will likely be willing to make substantial offers. Will the Rangers be one of them?

You mentioned ADA, and I don't know one way or the other if there is interest in him. My gut says no, but let's assume there is. I think ADA and Chytil could certainly be on the table. I think you're potentially also looking at having a first in the mix and possibly a B prospect. In other words, I think you're looking at a four piece deal similar to Nash.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What would the Rangers have to add to Kakko to land PLD?

nothing

 

[JimmyG89]

I'm just not sure how PLD would fit in to the future of this team considering that he'll be up for a new deal and you have Zibanejad and all the other ELCs coming off the books. Sure, Laf will have another year, but if we are expecting him to do what we hope, that 2nd deal looks like a whopper in the making, even with a flat cap.

Unless they are walking away from Zibanejad at the end of his deal, where will the cap space be coming from? If this team was more complete and PLD gives them that dynamic center to pair with Zibanejad for the next couple years, you could take the swing, but are they going to max that out in a move here? Of course things can change quickly, but the current set up doesn't lend me to think they should be moving those assets for PLD unless they have already decided Zibanejad is not coming back after his deal is up, which would be a huge mistake at the current moment.