Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVI: Artemi, where art thou? In NY.

[haohmaru]

If Artemi made sense for them at 12.5/per so does Marner.

Don't see Toronto letting it happen though.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Today’s the day where we’ll know whether we have a second buyout window, correct? Don’t players have to file for arbitration by 5pm?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Offer sheet coming?

Marner doesn't want to play for a 2nd class organization. He would never sign it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't see how MM fits with the Isles' cap situation, both where they are now and with what they have coming down the pike.

Offer sheets are more about forcing your opponent to make a move, I feel

 

[Tawnos]

If Artemi made sense for them at 12.5/per so does Marner.

Don't see Toronto letting it happen though.

They were trying to get Panarin before they re-signed Lee.

 

[Inferno]

Offer sheets are more about forcing your opponent to make a move, I feel

True...but this feels more like spite from Lou.

I honestly think Lou is a bottom 10 gm in the league and living in reputation from his devil's days. Got himself a good coach and gave him a terrible lineup.

 

[pld459666]

If Marner wants to get paid commensurate to his teammates and his peers in the game, he would absolutely sign an Offer Sheet with the Islanders at 12.5

Leafs I have no doubt would NOT match that.

 

[haohmaru]

They were trying to get Panarin before they re-signed Lee.

I think they were trying to do both.

 

[Inferno]

If Marner wants to get paid commensurate to his teammates and his peers in the game, he would absolutely sign an Offer Sheet with the Islanders at 12.5

Leafs I have no doubt would NOT match that.

Leafs aren't letting marner walk to the Islanders. They'll trade nylander if they have to.

 

[Tawnos]

I think they were trying to do both.

Not sure that's true, considering that Lee didn't get a fair offer until after Panarin signed with the Rangers.

 

[NYR Viper]

I hope the Isles send an offer sheet

 

[haohmaru]

Not sure that's true, considering that Lee didn't get a fair offer until after Panarin signed with the Rangers.

Not sure that isn't true. Neither of us can definitively say because neither of us know. They didn't sign Varlamov, either, until after Panarin was off the table.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If Marner wants to get paid commensurate to his teammates and his peers in the game, he would absolutely sign an Offer Sheet with the Islanders at 12.5

Leafs I have no doubt would NOT match that.

5 years for $10,568,588 AAV

It keeps the compensation below the final threshold, which will force Dubas to match

 

[Inferno]

5 years for $10,568,588 AAV

It keeps the compensation below the final threshold, which will force Dubas to match

I don't think marner would sign that...I think he wants at least what Matthews is making...if not more.

 

[Tawnos]

Not sure that isn't true. Neither of us can definitively say because neither of us know. They didn't sign Varlamov, either, until after Panarin was off the table.

...that just backs up what I'm saying.

Neither one of us is sure, but if you look at the order of events, it pretty clearly says one thing and not the other.

 

[pld459666]

Leafs aren't letting marner walk to the Islanders. They'll trade nylander if they have to.

I dont think trading Nylander addresses the issue of having 35 million tied up in just three players for the next 5 years

Not to mention that both Marner and Mstthews would not hit UFA the same summer.

 

[haohmaru]

...that just backs up what I'm saying.

Neither one of us is sure, but if you look at the order of events, it pretty clearly says one thing and not the other.

I disagree with your perspective on this. One doesn't mutually exclude the other. Let's just move along since neither of us know shit about Lou's plans.

Edited to add a Lou quote:

"We're very pleased with the end result of this window because it was our intention to sign all our players who potentially were free agents ," Lamoriello said. "We were able to get a couple of them earlier than later, so we feel good because we feel very good about our team. We feel very good about our core players and having them all back for the most part is very important."

 

[pld459666]

5 years for $10,568,588 AAV

It keeps the compensation below the final threshold, which will force Dubas to match

I dont think Marner signs that

There has to be more incentive than that to force Marners hand here.

 

[Inferno]

I dont think trading Nylander addresses the issue of having 35 million tied up in just three players for the next 5 years

Not to mention that both Marner and Mstthews would not hit UFA the same summer.

That's the cost of being good. You could do a lot worse than having Matthews marner and Tavares on your team for the next 5 years.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't think marner would sign that...I think he wants at least what Matthews is making...if not more.

And what leverage does Marner have? He isn't arbitration eligible, and no team is offering him more, because no team gives up four 1st rounders.

 

[pld459666]

That's the cost of being good. You could do a lot worse than having Matthews marner and Tavares on your team for the next 5 years.

But having that much cap space tied to three players (forwards specifically) will never allow you to be good enough to win

 

[Inferno]

And what leverage does Marner have? He isn't arbitration eligible, and no team is offering him more, because no team gives up four 1st rounders.

His leverage is he's really really good. Like top 15 in the NHL good.

Some team will offer him more.

 

[pld459666]

And what leverage does Marner have? He isn't arbitration eligible, and no team is offering him more, because no team gives up four 1st rounders.

I'd easily give up 4 1st rounders for Marner.

Hes 22 and worth it.

 

[Inferno]

But having that much cap space tied to three players (forwards specifically) will never allow you to be good enough to win

I dunno...wasn't the same thing said when the penguins gave big contracts to Crosby Malkin Fleury and Letang?

You just need to do a better job of filling in around them.

Marner at that contract fits the maple leafs time frame.

Where the leafs have screwed up is paying ancillary players and not doing a good job drafting outside of their top 10 picks.

 

[Tawnos]

I dunno...wasn't the same thing said when the penguins gave big contracts to Crosby Malkin Fleury and Letang?

You just need to do a better job of filling in around them.

Marner at that contract fits the maple leafs time frame.

Where the leafs have screwed up is paying ancillary players and not doing a good job drafting outside of their top 10 picks.

And not focusing enough attention on putting together a good D to go along with their great forwards.