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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIII: Free Agent Frenzy

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Players with only a year left on their contracts do not fetch much beyond rental return unless there is an extension signed upon trade. Kreider could/can not be extended until July 1st. (after the draft)

Even with Trouba, he has no term left on his contract, everyone sees that as a steal, yet I think in reality that is fair market value for a player the Rangers do not know if they'll be able to extend long term or what those terms will be. Yet they do know he has one RFA year left and he'll have to play it one way or another.
 
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To recap here:

1. Luongo's salary the next 3 years combined is lower than any season of his career after his ELC (other than last year where is was 200k less).
2. The Panthers want to sign a goalie
3. The Panthers also need cap space for said goalie/Panarin

----> Luongo retires have an extra 4M cap space why not.

This system is broken.
 
Luongo was a great player and an even better person. Sucks seeing a good guy like him who was as good as he was for as long as he was, not win a Cup. Sadly, Lundqvist is going to unfortunately have the same fate.
 
SA16 said:
To recap here:

1. Luongo's salary the next 3 years combined is lower than any season of his career after his ELC (other than last year where is was 200k less).
2. The Panthers want to sign a goalie
3. The Panthers also need cap space for said goalie/Panarin

----> Luongo retires have an extra 4M cap space why not.

This system is broken.
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Yes agreed. Also see hossa and callahan.
 
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Retire in Peace Luongo! A great goaltender that deserved better than the fishsticks and thankfully they traded him.

Also I want to take the time to praise one of the best contracts in the league:

Zibs @ 5.35 for 3 more years.
 
SA16 said:
To recap here:

1. Luongo's salary the next 3 years combined is lower than any season of his career after his ELC (other than last year where is was 200k less).
2. The Panthers want to sign a goalie
3. The Panthers also need cap space for said goalie/Panarin

----> Luongo retires have an extra 4M cap space why not.

This system is broken.
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Those kind of contracts aren't possible any more and the penalties for him retiring early are in effect. So what exactly is broken?
 
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GAGLine said:
Those kind of contracts aren't possible any more and the penalties for him retiring early are in effect. So what exactly is broken?
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I'd think the last tweet about him making some/all that money back as he is looking to stay within the organization.

Rangers could have quite a few players retire and have them stay within the organization too I guess, so I'm not complaining if that is allowed.
 
Count me in the group that would not want to hold on to Kreider until the deadline. I think this team may surprise a bit this year and I don’t want Gorton or anyone possibly viewing Kreider as an own rental opportunity.

It would make sense that these types of trade talks would wait for a few more days to become heavy again until teams see what the market is for the UFA wingers.

In saying that, teams close to the cap who feel they will comfortably be in the playoffs will be salivating to bring in someone like Kreider with possible money retained. They won’t have the money to bring in a UFA nor can they attempt to fit some of these guys in on long term deals. Guys like Johansson, Zuccarello, etc are secondary pieces. The best way to put yourself in cap he’ll is to give guys like that 4-6 year deals. Especially with rumors of the cap being stagnant over the next few years. Young players are asking for more right away and teams see the mess others like Toronto are in.

I think this will just require a bit more patience but I don’t foresee Kreider or Vesey beginning the season in NY
 
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Procrastinator said:
There's only one reason col didn't trade for CK. Cause sakic is a ***** GM.

He's not very good at evaluating talent and it has to be a complete no brainer for him to pull the trigger.

GM's like him will never win.
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Giving up Alex Newhook for rental Chris Kreider or an extended Chris Kreider would’ve been a terrible decision. Sakic made the right decision, 100%. That team is going to be an absolute force for a long time.
 


Tbf it sounds like this guy liked everyone. But I wonder if Gildon would even take a contract, since it would preclude him from playing NCAA. Had kind of a Tampa Bay Namestnikov thing going on with the USNTDP, where he spent a lot of time playing with guys who were basically aliens. Like of course Hughes and Caulfield were faster and better than him, and of course he put up okay numbers anyway.
 
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GAGLine said:
Those kind of contracts aren't possible any more and the penalties for him retiring early are in effect. So what exactly is broken?
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There should be no penalty for this. You should have to pay the full cap hit through the life of the contract regardless.A player retiring, getting injured, or play declining is a risk you take giving someone a contract through that age. That particular contract can't happen anymore but you can still give long term deals to players through that age if you want. They'll make more at the end now than they could have before but still less than earlier years. There can obviously be some exceptions such as for players who retire real early (under 30?).

It is just too many times now we see players retiring or coming down with career ending injuries in the offseason which looks especially bad when you consider Luongo, Zetterberg, Callahan, and Hossa were all in good enough condition to finish up the previous season.

Not to mention this whole "Panthers asked luongo to retire and he may still get paid by having a job in the organization" is very shady. I cannot believe you are actually allowed to try and convince a player to retire.
 
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Off Sides said:
I'd think the last tweet about him making some/all that money back as he is looking to stay within the organization.

Rangers could have quite a few players retire and have them stay within the organization too I guess, so I'm not complaining if that is allowed.
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Yeah, the part about him staying with the organization does make it a little sketchy, especially if his new salary comes close to his old one, but I don't think it's a big deal. Florida isn't getting completely off the hook as they still have the recapture penalties. The salary is close to the minimum anyway. If he were giving up 5 mil and they were going to pay him 5 mil in his new job, then yeah, that's something the league should look at.

We've had both Naslund and Klein retire a year early. Neither immediately took a job with the Rangers, but still saved us some cap space. We also paid Redden to play in the minors at a time where the entire cap hit didn't count.
 
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GAGLine said:
We've had both Naslund and Klein retire a year early. Neither immediately took a job with the Rangers, but still saved us some cap space. We also paid Redden to play in the minors at a time where the entire cap hit didn't count.
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If I was looking at playing for Tortorella, I’d retire early too. As for Klein, his play retired a season earlier than he did.
 
QJL said:
Giving up Alex Newhook for rental Chris Kreider or an extended Chris Kreider would’ve been a terrible decision. Sakic made the right decision, 100%. That team is going to be an absolute force for a long time.
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I guess i'll quote my fellow fantasy GM who put it best. You collect the players and i'll collect the rings.
 
SA16 said:
There should be no penalty for this. You should have to pay the full cap hit through the life of the contract regardless.A player retiring, getting injured, or play declining is a risk you take giving someone a contract through that age. That particular contract can't happen anymore but you can still give long term deals to players through that age if you want. They'll make more at the end now than they could have before but still less than earlier years. There can obviously be some exceptions such as for players who retire real early (under 30?).

It is just too many times now we see players retiring or coming down with career ending injuries in the offseason which looks especially bad when you consider Luongo, Zetterberg, Callahan, and Hossa were all in good enough condition to finish up the previous season.

Not to mention this whole "Panthers asked luongo to retire and he may still get paid by having a job in the organization" is very shady. I cannot believe you are actually allowed to try and convince a player to retire.
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So if you signed a player to a 7 year deal and the next day he was involved in a car accident and could never play again, your team should be stuck with that cap hit for 7 years?

The 35+ rule exists for this reason. Maybe with the league getting younger, they need to lower that to age 32, but if players are willing to give up money by retiring, the teams shouldn't be penalized for it. As much as I hate the devils, even I wouldn't suggest that they should have had to carry Kovy's entire cap hit for all those years. And remember, the NHLPA would have something to say about it as well. They aren't going to be happy with all that cap space tied up in a player who is no longer getting paid.

If you're concerned about the fact that he can take a job with the Panthers to recoup some or all of that money, then make a rule that you can't work for the same team from which you retired until your contract would have naturally ended. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
 
GAGLine said:
So if you signed a player to a 7 year deal and the next day he was involved in a car accident and could never play again, your team should be stuck with that cap hit for 7 years?

The 35+ rule exists for this reason. Maybe with the league getting younger, they need to lower that to age 32, but if players are willing to give up money by retiring, the teams shouldn't be penalized for it. As much as I hate the devils, even I wouldn't suggest that they should have had to carry Kovy's entire cap hit for all those years. And remember, the NHLPA would have something to say about it as well. They aren't going to be happy with all that cap space tied up in a player who is no longer getting paid.

If you're concerned about the fact that he can take a job with the Panthers to recoup some or all of that money, then make a rule that you can't work for the same team from which you retired until your contract would have naturally ended. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
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This whole thing about how teams should be punished for when players decide they no longer are willing to play through whatever chronic medical condition they have is ridiculous to me.
 
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Tawnos said:
This whole thing about how teams should be punished for when players decide they no longer are willing to play through whatever chronic medical condition they have is ridiculous to me.
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It makes sense when it's other teams that would be penalized, but as soon as it happens to us, it would be bullshit.
 
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SA16 said:
To recap here:

1. Luongo's salary the next 3 years combined is lower than any season of his career after his ELC (other than last year where is was 200k less).
2. The Panthers want to sign a goalie
3. The Panthers also need cap space for said goalie/Panarin

----> Luongo retires have an extra 4M cap space why not.

This system is broken.
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Lu is broken.
 
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