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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

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Filthy Dangles said:
Doesn't he have 1 year left and isn't his contract insured? Also, his base salary is only 1M this year. Maybe insurance doesn't cover signing bonus part which is 2.25 on July 1st.

After that bonus gets payed, shouldn't he be easier to move?
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Yeah, he fit right into Melnyks Senators. He should work well as a part of a LITR line with Gaborik and MacArthur.
 
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GAGLine said:
He still counts against the cap while on LTIR. His cap hit isn't removed. The cap ceiling is raised. The amount it is raised is dependent on their cap commitments at the time he is placed on LTIR.

The cap is set at 81.5 mil and Clarkson has a 5.25 mil cap hit. If Vegas were only at say 75 mil out of 81.5, putting Clarkson on LTIR would do nothing except open a roster spot, which regular IR already does. If they were at 80 out of 81.5, then their cap ceiling would go up to 85.25 mil. That's why teams try to get as close to the cap as possible when they have a player who will go onto LTIR to start the season. They want to max out their LTIR cap space.

The key difference is in how regular cap space and LTIR cap space is handled. Regular cap space can be banked. LTIR cap space can't.

The season is divided into days and the cap is divided by the total number of days in the season. Each team can spend up to that amount each day. So say for example the cap is 100 mil and there are 100 days in the season. Each team can spend 1 mil per day. Let's say Vegas is only spending 950k per day. That 50k that they aren't spending can be used later in the season. If they spend 950k for the first 50 days of the season, they can then spend up to 1.05 mil per day the rest of the way.

LTIR cap space doesn't work that way. Same situation, but they have a player on LTIR, raising their cap ceiling to 104 mil (1.04 mil per day). They are spending 1.02 mil per day. The 20k that they aren't spending each day is lost. They can't bank it and use it later. If they are spending 1.02 out of 1.04 per day for the first 50 days, they still can't spend more than 1.04 per day the rest of the way.

It's not an ideal situation to be in.
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Great explanation. It's one of the more common misconceptions among casual fans that a player's hit just vanishes into thin air when they go on LTIR. They do get relief but it's not as convenient and easy as people think it is.
 


Goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky and left winger Artemi Panarin will have their ceremonial visit with the Florida Panthers on Monday, according to TSN’s Bob McKenzie.

The Panthers have staked their summer to adding both players as free agents beginning July 1 — you don’t think they’ve had contact already, do you? — so it’ll be interesting to see if Bobrovsky and Panarin even sniff around other clubs, or if agent Paul Theofanous has already promised their delivery to Sunrise.

The New York Rangers might have interest in Panarin. The New York Islanders could have interest in Bobrovsky and Panarin. If one of those clubs is allowed by Theofanous to make a pitch, the Panthers could get nervous enough to swing a sign-and-trade with Columbus.
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Might?

Portzline is always pushing the sign and trade with Florida and Columbus. Even yesterday with the talking period beginning on Sunday.

Arthur Staple reported the Russians are setting up shop in Florida this week. They are not planning any visits to other teams and aren't planning to come to NY to work out of Theo's offices.

Where Lamoriello goes during this contact period will be very revealing. If the GM believes he’s got a shot at Artemi Panarin and/or Sergei Bobrovsky, how does that play out? TSN’s Bob McKenzie reported on Saturday that the duo, who both have residences in South Florida, are meeting with the Panthers on Monday, but it doesn’t sound as if Panarin and Bobrovsky will conduct a big North American tour or host prospective teams at agent Paul Theofanous’ New York office.
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GAGLine said:
Kreider doesn't need a contract, but otherwise you are correct. I heard the 12 mil number for Panarin yesterday. I don't know if it will end up that high. If he signs in Florida, it will no doubt be lower due to the no tax thing.

No matter what Panarin gets, we'll have to clear significant cap if we want him.
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If Panarin wants 12 million:
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Filthy Dangles said:
Doesn't he have 1 year left and isn't his contract insured? Also, his base salary is only 1M this year. Maybe insurance doesn't cover signing bonus part which is 2.25 on July 1st.

After that bonus gets payed, shouldn't he be easier to move?

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This stuff is way too complicated to really understand fully
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I’m not sure of the details but his contract comes with a $3.25 MM payout this year . That’s worth a first draft choice Mr. McPher.
 
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Chalfdiggity3 said:
I dont thik the numbers work unless vesey, names, and krieder are traded for prospects and picks in order to sign the breadman.

With the money coming off we can try to trade for players like draisaitl, marner, rantanen, whatever bc losing the prospects and or picks would hurt but nowhere near as much with next year's draft having all those trades I mentioned before and another top 10 pick. Then we can absorb those contracts with ease while being a contender for the cup with home grown talent and cap space
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Gorton tried to find a 1st pairing RD a couple of years ago. Could not find one, and ended up signing Shattenkirk. We must not assume that elite players will be available, and that Rangers will win the bidding war to trade for them. In fact there is very few elite players available at all. If there is a chance to sign one, do it. The whole rebuild was about Rangers, all though a very good team, lacked elite players/difference makers. At least that was the opinion of many on this board
 
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Livingstone said:
Gorton tried to find a 1st pairing RD a couple of years ago. Could not find one, and ended up signing Shattenkirk. We must not assume that elite players will be available, and that Rangers will win the bidding war to trade for them. In fact there is very few elite players available at all. If there is a chance to sign one, do it. The whole rebuild was about Rangers, all though a very good team, (from many on this board at least,) lacked elite players/difference makers.
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*Looks at what happened 6 days ago.*

Yeahhhh
 
Machinehead said:
People have been posting projected lineups on social media post-draft and let's not have any delusions about the fact that this team still sucks right now.
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I don't think the expectation if for them to be good next year. It shouldnt be anyway.

That being said this team was in a lot of one goal games last year, and they have improved. Things will be interesting next season, and how Gorton approaches free agency should show a lot about expectations. I think 2020/21 is when this team will hit the gas
 
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Machinehead said:
People have been posting projected lineups on social media post-draft and let's not have any delusions about the fact that this team still sucks right now.
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Yeah with it looking like Panarin to Florida is a foregone conclusion, we're a decent bet to be picking around where we picked this year.

Cap dumps and veteran stop gaps are the way to go for next year.
 
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Savant said:
I don't think the expectation if for them to be good next year. It shouldnt be anyway.

That being said this team was in a lot of one goal games last year, and they have improved. Things will be interesting next season, and how Gorton approaches free agency should show a lot about expectations. I think 2020/21 is when this team will hit the gas
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Realistic expectations, no. But there was chatter on Friday in the heat of the moment of nicking a wildcard. Tbh, would I be shocked? No, it's the NHL. But I would bet a lot against it.

Yes, they were competitive last year, but in typical Rongos fashion, were better than they should have been and got some white hot goaltending.

Looking at our lineup, the wings aren't far from playoff quality but we're asking two rookies to step right in and be top sixers. If there's any growing pains, our wings will be below average. Our defense is better, but weird. We're actually banging on the right side but the left is trash and at least two pairs should be unbalanced, unless Hajek steps right in. Our center situation is absolutely dire. If Zibanejad has a significant injury, this is a 1OA roster.

Sure, there's an "everything goes exactly right" scenario but every team but Ottawa has one of those.

Not saying any of this to be negative. We're way ahead of schedule. Just don't want to lose focus on a project that's been succeeding so far.
 
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Savant said:
I don't think the expectation if for them to be good next year. It shouldnt be anyway.

That being said this team was in a lot of one goal games last year, and they have improved. Things will be interesting next season, and how Gorton approaches free agency should show a lot about expectations. I think 2020/21 is when this team will hit the gas
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Perfectly fine with that. Next year's draft should be much better than this year. Draft one more first round stud and go from there.
 
KOVALEV022473 said:
Can someone please show me how so many on here are absolutely certain that Panarin to Florida is a done deal?
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Well, here's the evidence thus far:

- Florida has been the rumored front runner for months
- They hired Panarin's former coach who he has a great relationship with
- One of his good friends and former line mates already plays there
- They're the front runner for his other good friend Bob
- They have a definitive tax advantage when it comes to contract negotiations
- Panarin, Bob, and their agent are meeting with Florida first and have set up operations in Florida for the signing period

The Rangers?
- Supposedly on his short list

Not exactly sure how you can objectively look at it and come to any other conclusion.
 
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Trxjw said:
Well, here's the evidence thus far:

- Florida has been the rumored front runner for months
- They hired Panarin's former coach who he has a great relationship with
- One of his good friends and former line mates already plays there
- They're the front runner for his other good friend Bob
- They have a definitive tax advantage when it comes to contract negotiations
- Panarin, Bob, and their agent are meeting with Florida first and have set up operations in Florida for the signing period

The Rangers?
- Supposedly on his short list

Not exactly sure how you can objectively look at it and come to any other conclusion.
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Oh, ok, speculation. Got it.
 
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