Speculation: Roster Building Thread LI: Something happen, please...

[mas0764]

Seemed to me more like either/or, not both. Are we going for both?

From what Edge is saying, we are weighing all offers, waiting back to hear from other teams, but that accepting one offer may or may not influence the Rangers desire to accept another offer.

But I’m just saying if it was me, I make both those deals if I’m able.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Oh my god, you are intolerable. Do us a favor and go join the Islanders fan base since the Rangers organization is so horrible.

Complaining we didnt trade Claesson for a 7th rounder as if he was high in demand.

Complaining we drafted Halverson at 59th overall at the very end of the 2nd round when many other teams had failed picks before them in that round and after them in the 3rd round.

Complaining about the Bigras/Graves trade??? Really?

Thats it man, I think we have all reached our breaking point with you.

Islanders have a Jack Adams award winning coach, you can change your username to “FinallyFoundATeamWithAGoodCoach”.

yeah, REALLY one is now NHLer the other is not. We didn't even give Graves a chance.

I don't care about your breaking point with me.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Kreider and Vesey could still be on the table post draft. I think those guys are probably going with or without a draft day trade.

If Buch isn’t moved, those deals involving him are dead. I think they move forward with him — at least for now.

Thanks @Edge I appreciate all that you do

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Are we trading Lundqvist to a team like Calgary?

I can say with nearly 100% certainty that Lundqvist would not want to get traded to Calgary. He doesn’t want to leave New York at all let alone move to Calgary.

 

[mas0764]

The interesting part to me is, the player I’d rather move is Kreider (more expensive and older), but the pick I’d rather get back is 7/8.

Gun to my head, if I have to pick (if I even have the choice), I deal Buch for 7/8, even if I have to package Vesey with him.

I want that top center.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

So, here is the rundown.

By now we’ve discussed or I’ve given enough hints to deduce:

The Rangers have had conversations with Buffalo and Edmonton involving Buch. Those talks have also included Names and Vesey, JP and Nylander. Nothing new to report tonight. The ball is with Edmonton and Buffalo.

The Rangers have talked to Toronto. It’s not Marner or Kadri. Nylander and Kapaned were mentioned. Nothing imminent.

As has long been suggested, the Coyotes and Avs have shown an interest in and engaged in talks about Kreider. The Avs have been more aggressive today. We’ll see how/if Arizona responds.

No one still wants Shatty as of 10:30 tonight. Par for the course.

The Rangers still would love to get in range of players they like in the draft. We’ve outlined combine interviews and guys they like, even if the board isn’t head over heels for some of those names.

We’ve talked about Vesey being viewed in a similar fashion to Pionk by some teams.

Speaking of Pionk, we talked about him on a recent pod. Talked about his departure being a matter of if and not when. Talked about him having higher value than the board realized. Now we’re talking about him being one of two components in a trade for Trouba.

Speaking of Trouba, we talked about the Rangers not chasing the price into the stratosphere. They obviously did not.

So, am I missing anything short of social security numbers and home addresses?

It's 12:30 AM Eastern does somebody want him yet?

 

[Leetch3]

I can’t say without a doubt the answer is no, but I have a real hard time seeing it. I feel that at some point, they want guys who have played.

So I’d say the odds of them going for both are slim.

guys who have played in the NHL or with the rangers? obviously you need to have players to field a team and its unlikely that all these trades come to fruition....however if I'm JG and i've got a group of guys that I really don't see part of the long term future of the team (otherwise they wouldn't be discussed in trades) and I can get really good value in return and then replace them with UFAs to have vets on the team the next few years then I have to consider it over keeping the guy I don't really want long term just for the sake of not trading everyone

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I feel like we can use our brains for some of this. If the deals involved are mostly with picks as centerpieces - well...

@iamitter if you look at what edge said to my post he did answer that krieder and vesey can and probably will be traded after the draft so although those are trade pieces coming back that are originally being discussed, there are other options that are being looked at post draft

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I can say with nearly 100% certainty that Lundqvist would not want to get traded to Calgary. He doesn’t want to leave New York at all let alone move to Calgary.

Calgary would remind him of Sweden, much colder than NY, and he might win a Cup there. And he must realize that most NY fans want him and his cap space gone from this rebuild.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Calgary would remind him of Sweden, much colder than NY, and he might win a Cup there. And he must realize that most NY fans want him and his cap space gone from this rebuild.

Ya, Cagary and Sweden go hand in hand.

 

[Alluckks]

I’ve seen some Tampa fans suggest Gourde for kreider. If we could pull that off I would be ecstatic.

This is even worse than your Barrie proposal

 

[effen]

You know what would remind Lundqvist of Sweden more than Calgary? Sweden. Let's trade Henrik to Sweden. He can win a cup there.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If the Rangers get the 14th or 16th pick, can someone talk about prospects they like? Sorry if it's repetition. Newhook? Krebs if he drops? Seider? Dorofeyev?

 

[NernieBichols]

At this point it’s all out there anyway. I’m not worried about tips.

My one regret is that I couldn’t sign off on Greg and Steven breaking it. Because we literally talked about all this stuff yesterday. I would’ve loved for them to have been able to put that out there.

I figured that’s what you meant by getting a day early. At least they have it to break down. It’s juicy

 

[Alluckks]

If the Rangers get the 14th or 16th pick, can someone talk about prospects they like? Sorry if it's repetition. Newhook? Krebs if he drops? Seider? Dorofeyev?

Yes, those names
But they'd also want to try and move up. They have multiple 2nd rounders and did significant scouting thinking they'd be drafting in the 5-10 range - they like a lot of guys there.

 

[Edge]

The interesting part to me is, the player I’d rather move is Kreider (more expensive and older), but the pick I’d rather get back is 7/8.

Gun to my head, if I have to pick (if I even have the choice), I deal Buch for 7/8, even if I have to package Vesey with him.

I want that top center.

The Buch conversations I knew were going to be a little more controversial on here. I think I referred to it as the deal that would have most people inhaling when they heard.

And make no mistake, it’s also the biggest risk for the Rangers. If Buch flanks McDavid and nets 30+ goals and 80 points, and someone likes Namestnikov pots 15-20 goals and 40+ points occasionally jumping up from the third line, which he showed he could do when playing with elite talent in Tampa, that’s a lot to give up - 8th overall pick notwithstanding.

JP doesn’t give you the safest odds either. You’re essentially banking on him having a higher ceiling than the other options you’d potentially receive. But that comes at the cost of having a lower floor.

Of course the upside is, even without Zegras, can you get a Jeff Carter like player in Cozens and salvage something from JP?

For Edmonton, what if Buch continues to be an enigma? What if he’s that 20 goal, 45-50 point guy who always gives you tantalizing visions of more? What if Names isn’t quite the answer in a middle six role?

That’s an example of the type of debates and discussions that take place in these scenarios.

 

[MikeSteaks]

Edge = Miss Cleo

 

[duhmetreE]

Wait, we'd actually get a top 10 pick without using Kreider?

I've seen Buch+Names and Buch+Vesey... Are our 2nd rounders involved because I feel that would be robbery.

 

[RGY]

yeah, REALLY one is now NHLer the other is not. We didn't even give Graves a chance.

I don't care about your breaking point with me.

Played 26 games this season at both defense and wing.

Yep, he is an “NHLer” now.

It doesn’t get more laughable than this.

Complain. Complain. Complain.

Islanders and Devils fan base needs more followers.

 

[Edge]

@iamitter if you look at what edge said to my post he did answer that krieder and vesey can and probably will be traded after the draft so although those are trade pieces coming back that are originally being discussed, there are other options that are being looked at post draft

If the Rangers aren’t signing Kreider now, they most likely aren’t signing him a year from now either. So that makes him a potential TDL move.

I agree with Larry Brooks’ interpretation of the situation. I don’t think the Rangers want this lingering until the deadline.

 

[duhmetreE]

Who'd push Buch to play 'Quinn-hockey'? I'm fairly confident he'd be an enigma, given another coach.

 

[Edge]

Wait, we'd actually get a top 10 pick without using Kreider?

I've seen Buch+Names and Buch+Vesey... Are our 2nd rounders involved because I feel that would be robbery.

I think there’s more value and risk there than we give full credit to. Explained my thoughts just before your post.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

One player I really want gone is Shattenkirk. I managed to tolerate Staal and Vesey, I grew to like Smith and Namestnikov, but I was not able to warm up to Shattenkirk. it is 12:45 AM Eastern time and I need to hear some ray of hope.

 

[Edge]

Who'd push Buch to play 'Quinn-hockey'? I'm fairly confident he'd be an enigma, given another coach.

Or just got enough to be pretty dangerous riding shotgun to McDavid. You can argue that with his natural ability, he could remain an enigma and almost stumble his way to a string of 25-30 goal, 70 point seasons.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Ya, Cagary and Sweden go hand in hand.

Sweden should annex Calgary from Canada.