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All Chevy had to gain by letting other clubs talk to trouba, was losing whatever veil and illusion of leverage he had against gorton.

If trouba’s agent is allowed to tell other GMs what the reports says and warn them, that gets back to gorton and what negotiating position would chevy have had?

So instead he didn’t let anybody talk to Overhardt and made the best deal he could with NY.

Gorts knew this. Hence the price

Power move by trouba to get here. Bc his fiancé wants to be here long term for her medical career

I applaud trouba for doing it and I welcome him to the team
 
Glad on claesson dime a dozen player we don’t need. No one wanted him at the deadline either.

Leaves a spot open for Rykov to make this team. Kind of expect Rykov fox and Hajek to rotate a bit along with tony of course when he opens his mouth
 
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Off Sides said:
That article does not make any sense, he could not have held out as long as the team who held his right took him to arbitration. He could have refused to report to his arbitration awarded contract.
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No he would have held out to December deadline, then sign the one year tender play the rest of the season out and go UFA.

Basically just drag his feet through the final year into UFA was his threat
 
Kovalev27 said:
Glad on claesson dime a dozen player we don’t need. No one wanted him at the deadline either.

Leaves a spot open for Rykov to make this team. Kind of expect Rykov fox and Hajek to rotate a bit along with tony of course when he opens his mouth
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I actually liked Claesson a lot, he was one the few plus players on our team last year fyi.
 
GAGLine said:
That's why we traded for Trouba and sent Pionk the other way. Trouba is more than just an offensive dman. He can actually match up against the other teams' best players.

Trading ADA for Ghost doesn't fix anything. If you trade Shatty too, then who plays on the right side? Trouba, Fox and Smith?

The defense is as good as it's going to get for now.
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Your opinion is noted. Thank you for the input.
 
Tawnos said:
That he understood the leverage he had?
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How does he gain leverage by not reporting?

Correct me if I am wrong

The team who traded for his rights can qualify him

If so, they could take him to arbitration

Arbitration would have awarded him a 1 year deal, should they have gone through with it

From there his options are to not report or play that one year deal?

So while he may have had leverage to say I'm not extending anywhere long term, he had only the threat of not reporting as his ultimate leverage?
 
NernieBichols said:
No he would have held out to December deadline, then sign the one year tender play the rest of the season out and go UFA.

Basically just drag his feet through the final year into UFA was his threat
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But by the timeline just posted, he can not do that. If he is qualified, no choice of his, he is arbitration eligible.
 
Off Sides said:
How does he gain leverage by not reporting?

Correct me if I am wrong

The team who traded for his rights can qualify him

If so, they could take him to arbitration

Arbitration would have awarded him a 1 year deal, should they have gone through with it

From there his options are to not report or play that one year deal?

So while he may have had leverage to say I;m not extending anywhere long term, he had only the threat of not reporting as his ultimate leverage?
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Nobody’s trading for him and then not offering him a tender right?

And he’s a UFA at the end of it. So he was threatening to only show up in December for whatever team offered up assets to trade for him. That would have killed the offerings, hence Chevy didn’t let it leak until after
 
Off Sides said:
But by the timeline just posted, he can not do that. If he is qualified, no choice of his, he is arbitration eligible.
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Dude I’m sure of it. That’s why the rangers got him at that price.
I can’t go back and forth with you bc I don’t have terminology or specific answers.

I just know based upon the final trade and that report, that that’s the skinny skinny of what happened

Like everyone else was saying before it came out, why didn’t chevy let other teams talk to him, they had superior offers on the table?
 
Off Sides said:
How does he gain leverage by not reporting?

Correct me if I am wrong

The team who traded for his rights can qualify him

If so, they could take him to arbitration

Arbitration would have awarded him a 1 year deal, should they have gone through with it

From there his options are to not report or play that one year deal?

So while he may have had leverage to say I;m not extending anywhere long term, he had only the threat of not reporting as his ultimate leverage?
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The leverage wasn’t with whichever team was acquiring him. It was in putting Chevy in a position where his choices were to trade Trouba to a team he was interested in sticking with or trading Trouba to a team where there’d be an immediate contentious contract situation. So Chevy would either have to tell teams the full situation, pushing those Trouba didn’t want out of the running anyway, not tell any one and trade him anywhere which would damage his relationship with that GM, or trade him to a team that Trouba would be fine with. Of those three options, the last one is easily the least bad.
 
Tawnos said:
The leverage wasn’t with whichever team was acquiring him. It was in putting Chevy in a position where his choices were to trade Trouba to a team he was interested in sticking with or trading Trouba to a team where there’d be an immediate contentious contract situation. So Chevy would either have to tell teams the full situation, pushing those Trouba didn’t want out of the running anyway, not tell any one and trade him anywhere which would damage his relationship with that GM, or trade him to a team that Trouba would be fine with. Of those three options, the last one is easily the least bad.
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Thank you very articulate
 
NernieBichols said:
Nobody’s trading for him and then not offering him a tender right?

And he’s a UFA at the end of it. So he was threatening to only show up in December for whatever team offered up assets to trade for him. That would have killed the offerings, hence Chevy didn’t let it leak until after
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December makes no sense in any of this as far as I can tell.

His ultimate options from how I'm reading it (been know to be wrong before) , were limited to either playing out an arbitration awarded one year deal with whichever team took him there, or to not report to that deal.
 
How come I always get the sense that Gorton has all his stuff in a row and gets his trade offers/counters done in a timely fashion, while it is always other GMs dragging their feet and trying to squeeze other stupid stuff that won't happen
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Glad on claesson dime a dozen player we don’t need. No one wanted him at the deadline either.

Leaves a spot open for Rykov to make this team. Kind of expect Rykov fox and Hajek to rotate a bit along with tony of course when he opens his mouth
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Rykov won’t make the team as a 7th D, the spot Claesson was occupying. However- maybe they’ll feel comfortable making Staal 7th D if Lindgren and Hajek have a strong camp.
 
Avery16 said:
Rykov won’t make the team as a 7th D, the spot Claesson was occupying. However- maybe they’ll feel comfortable making Staal 7th D if Lindgren and Hajek have a strong camp.
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It’s possible the team has an eye on someone else as their 7th or thinks Smith can be that guy in lieu of buying him out
 
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Off Sides said:
December makes no sense in any of this as far as I can tell.

His ultimate options from how I'm reading it (been know to be wrong before) , were limited to either playing out an arbitration awarded one year deal with whichever team took him there, or to not report to that deal.[/QUOTE

Correct, but he wouldn’t sign the arbitration award until the deadline to sign and accrue a year towards free agency (which is in December)

So you helped me getting there. Anritstor awards a one year deal and then trouba would have held out and signed it in December right before the deadline meaning the trading team got a disgruntled soon to be leaving rental for half a year. It would have killed chevy’s leverage and like tawnos said, burnt a bridge with whatever team he did send him too
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