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Kreider/Mika/Tank 31.46 XG
Mika and Kreider with anyone else 57.10 XG
Make the change Gallant.
Mika and Kreider with anyone else 57.10 XG
Make the change Gallant.
Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish
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effen
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They don't take ownership of the center of the ice enough. Same as in any sport, baseball, football, f***ing checkers.
They can do it, we've seen it, and when they do they crush, but they dun wanna because it's harder than choosing an easier path. That's the frustration.
You can drill down pretty far into specifics but it all stems from that.
They can do it, we've seen it, and when they do they crush, but they dun wanna because it's harder than choosing an easier path. That's the frustration.
You can drill down pretty far into specifics but it all stems from that.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
no, strategy starting a rookie on the first power play does not work for most teams, the opposite is true. You don't go from crawling to walking... The tempo is ratcheted up... Especially in the East... Three of the four guys you mentioned are not NHL material... Lafreniere doesn't have a dynamic offensive mindset. Kakko doesn't shoo enough to be in position he would be in. The proof is in the pudding, really.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
The Rangers problem is they dont adjust their game. That’s on the players. If the E-W stuff isn’t there you have to dump and chase.
It’s the same as any sport. If you’re predictable you will lose. It’s why you have to run the ball to execute a play action. It’s why you have to throw a high inside fastball to buckle a batter’s knees with a change up.
If every time the Rangers get the puck, they skate through the neutral zone and try a cross ice pass, it will continue to fail. It’s not for a lack of skill. It’s because it’s obvious and it’s telegraphed. Read the play and adjust. Hockey is a read and react sport. It’s a quick process, and the players have to buy into that mindset.
It’s the same as any sport. If you’re predictable you will lose. It’s why you have to run the ball to execute a play action. It’s why you have to throw a high inside fastball to buckle a batter’s knees with a change up.
If every time the Rangers get the puck, they skate through the neutral zone and try a cross ice pass, it will continue to fail. It’s not for a lack of skill. It’s because it’s obvious and it’s telegraphed. Read the play and adjust. Hockey is a read and react sport. It’s a quick process, and the players have to buy into that mindset.
Paulie Walnutz
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I have a story that everyone will chuckle at. I was playing NHL 23 tonight and I downloaded somebody’s online updated trade deadline rosters. I had to do that because EA is more interested in having diversified referees than updating the rosters. So anyway, I’m simming through towards the end of the season, I’m simming the last game against Boston, Rangers are down a goal so I decide to go into the game. Ullmark makes a save covers the puck with under a minute left. I call a timeout, and after the time out the 4th line is on the ice and I’m cracking up going wow Gallant is coaching on here. Funniest part is I tied it up off a Vesey tip in then in overtime won the faceoff skated in tried to force a pass and gave up a breakaway to Pasta who won it. Most Rongos shit ever.
The Gloaming
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Some good discussion here. I would say that since as a team, we are not good at attacking the middle of the ice, the only thing left for them to do is to play like grinders along the walls. See it with Panarin especially. I don't know how many times he has just taken the puck to the left wall for pointless grinding if he doesn't first fling it cross ice for a giveaway. Usually this is because like it has been mentioned before, there is no puck support and no teammate close to him for a back pass or anything of the sort.
They do not attack and transition as a five man unit. When was the last time there was a second wave/layer of attack?? The forwards are too deep in their zone and the D are slow. I don't get to watch too many other teams' games anymore because of time zones, but I tuned in yesterday to the Canes-Tampa game, and both teams were moving the puck up the ice with more support, closer together, with more speed. We are usually getting the wingers 70ft away from each other while the center is lagging behind from having to play 3D because of our slow defensemen.
When he's back, K'Andre needs to learn to join the rush much more and most importantly to pass. He has great wheels but has no idea who to pass to most of the time. Having Lindy back will allow Fox to be himself again, so that will be nice. But forwards have to support each other more no matter who is back there.
Also we turned our top picks into grinders. That is our doing. We would have done the same to Hughes and Stutzle. That's how the Rangers always have been. They want their young players to play it 'safe' while the vets can turn over the puck every shift. They want their young guys to play like Callahan and Dubinsky even though it is not 2010 anymore and that is not naturally their style of play. Had we given Kakko and Laf a longer leash and allowed them to go out there are try to create offense, we would have been in a better place now.
Now it's all up to Patrick Kane to adjust to his new team and on top of that, teach the kids how to score. I can only hope that they allow and encourage him to do that. But they will probably try to turn him into a grinder too.
They do not attack and transition as a five man unit. When was the last time there was a second wave/layer of attack?? The forwards are too deep in their zone and the D are slow. I don't get to watch too many other teams' games anymore because of time zones, but I tuned in yesterday to the Canes-Tampa game, and both teams were moving the puck up the ice with more support, closer together, with more speed. We are usually getting the wingers 70ft away from each other while the center is lagging behind from having to play 3D because of our slow defensemen.
When he's back, K'Andre needs to learn to join the rush much more and most importantly to pass. He has great wheels but has no idea who to pass to most of the time. Having Lindy back will allow Fox to be himself again, so that will be nice. But forwards have to support each other more no matter who is back there.
Also we turned our top picks into grinders. That is our doing. We would have done the same to Hughes and Stutzle. That's how the Rangers always have been. They want their young players to play it 'safe' while the vets can turn over the puck every shift. They want their young guys to play like Callahan and Dubinsky even though it is not 2010 anymore and that is not naturally their style of play. Had we given Kakko and Laf a longer leash and allowed them to go out there are try to create offense, we would have been in a better place now.
Now it's all up to Patrick Kane to adjust to his new team and on top of that, teach the kids how to score. I can only hope that they allow and encourage him to do that. But they will probably try to turn him into a grinder too.
The Gloaming
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Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I'm glad Gallant made a remark about Panarin and Kane. That means he almost has to move Tarasenko if he gets tired of it because we all know the Kid Line is unmovable *rolls eyes so hard they knock down 8 pins*.
Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Kane
Lafreniere-Chytil-Tarasenko
Try something different just f***ing once. Always the same with this organization. Every line is a binky and a rattle. Panarin and Kane were good together seven ass years ago.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I shouldn't get my hopes up. Gallant went through the entire playoffs trying to kill Zibanejad with Frank Vatrano.
We played our best hockey all year when he swapped Panarin and Kreider in a couple of different forms.
One bad period against Carolina and he went right back to blankie. I think we've won one game since, not counting the Carolina game.
Of course Panarin's dumb ass scored 4 goals after the switch so now Gallant thinks he found the golden city of Hidalgo and will run these lines until 2069.
We played our best hockey all year when he swapped Panarin and Kreider in a couple of different forms.
One bad period against Carolina and he went right back to blankie. I think we've won one game since, not counting the Carolina game.
Of course Panarin's dumb ass scored 4 goals after the switch so now Gallant thinks he found the golden city of Hidalgo and will run these lines until 2069.
Lol they won the next 2 after that.
I am allllllll for shitting on Gallant's decisions this year, but Zibanejad-Kreider and Panarin-Trocheck have been great combos this year. His problem has been the constant shuffling of who ever plays next to those 2. If it works for a while but it's not what he wants to work in his heart, he'll dismantle it the second that they have a tough game (or period... actually its more likely to be tough period) but if it doesn't work and he realllly wants it to work, he'll stick with it for way too long.
It's sooooo AV. Reminds me of when AV kept on running Klein and Staal out together and it seemed like the more they struggled, the more they played.
SA16
Sixstring
If you want a shooting percentage that counts missed shots have you considered going on to natural stat trick, clicking the copy or csv button, and doing a little bit of a division?
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
They shouldn't have!
Jesus, these morons always get immediate gratification too. Every time AV did something dumb, we scored 7 goals on 8 shots and won.
I could live with those combos but anybody but Tarasenko for the former and I'm close to saying anybody but Kane for the latter.
Point is, we had good lines, he bombed them because he imagined something better, and what he imagined sucks.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
My beef is that even when they do shoot they are already turning away from the front of the net and heading for cover instead of a rebound . It seems like the play is to shoot and veer off as such they can't or wont get anywhere near an area that features body contact . I guess that is where the term soft forward is front and center and proven . If they cannot change it in the playoffs....it will be over really quick .
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
Of course there is a lot of doom and gloom around here, but im gonna try to stay positive.
The way I see it - The Rangers need some time off, get some practices in, get out on the road as a group (good timing) and figure out some things like the PP.
I was encouraged to see some decent things in the first 40 minutes in the game against Boston. Closest thing to a playoff style I've seen from them in a while.
With that said my keys to the final 20 games
• Get the PP working again. This will be uber important, a hot PP could do wonders in the postseason. No doubt they have the personnel. They need to guard against overpassing and keep it simple. Utilize Kreider more. Doing so puts the focus where it should be - to the net.
• Build more of an identity/find a role for each line. Mikas line needs to be a strong two way line that can match up against the other teams best. Breads line needs to be creative while managing the puck. Kid line can be a strong forechecking line that hems the other team in their zone and also finish checks. 4th line forechecks and can be strong defensively. Clear roles contribute to common goal.
• Play within yourself. There is pretty diverse set of skilled players. I firmly believe that if everyone raises their level of focus and plays to their strengths this team is very difficult to beat. Be a team, but also provide the best that you can provide instead of differing to each other all the time. Its a mindset they need to do a better job of controlling.
• Igor needs to find his game, but he needs help. I see little improvements in his game, but the team has to rally around him and give him some easy nights going forward. He could use a shutout or two. A 1 goal against game or two. Go in with that mentality of lifting him up and his game will follow.
• Patience. I saw a little bit of it in the Boston game. They have to be ok with letting the game come to them and attack. When they are out of sorts they are forcing passes and coverages in the D zone. There needs to be a calmer, long approach to games with a greater patience. They have the skill to do this.
The funny thing is all 5 of these things go on between the ears. They have enough skill in all areas to go places.
The way I see it - The Rangers need some time off, get some practices in, get out on the road as a group (good timing) and figure out some things like the PP.
I was encouraged to see some decent things in the first 40 minutes in the game against Boston. Closest thing to a playoff style I've seen from them in a while.
With that said my keys to the final 20 games
• Get the PP working again. This will be uber important, a hot PP could do wonders in the postseason. No doubt they have the personnel. They need to guard against overpassing and keep it simple. Utilize Kreider more. Doing so puts the focus where it should be - to the net.
• Build more of an identity/find a role for each line. Mikas line needs to be a strong two way line that can match up against the other teams best. Breads line needs to be creative while managing the puck. Kid line can be a strong forechecking line that hems the other team in their zone and also finish checks. 4th line forechecks and can be strong defensively. Clear roles contribute to common goal.
• Play within yourself. There is pretty diverse set of skilled players. I firmly believe that if everyone raises their level of focus and plays to their strengths this team is very difficult to beat. Be a team, but also provide the best that you can provide instead of differing to each other all the time. Its a mindset they need to do a better job of controlling.
• Igor needs to find his game, but he needs help. I see little improvements in his game, but the team has to rally around him and give him some easy nights going forward. He could use a shutout or two. A 1 goal against game or two. Go in with that mentality of lifting him up and his game will follow.
• Patience. I saw a little bit of it in the Boston game. They have to be ok with letting the game come to them and attack. When they are out of sorts they are forcing passes and coverages in the D zone. There needs to be a calmer, long approach to games with a greater patience. They have the skill to do this.
The funny thing is all 5 of these things go on between the ears. They have enough skill in all areas to go places.
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Mike in Houston
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Has Panarin turned the puck over yet today?
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
This is implying we practice
Fitzy
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I agree with this sentiment, but this is a roster with high expectations and some very obvious shortcomings in terms of performance. We're all just trying to think of the ways to give us the best possible chance at a cup parade in New York City. So the discourse is tense when we're losing.
Also Kakko is much better than Marcel Hossa. I see the stylistic comparison, but I think Frolov is the style+talent comparison and I can see Kakko hitting 55-70 points at his peak like Frolov did.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
That was really just a play on how people compare him to Marian Hossa.
He's better than Marcel Hossa already.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
Good to see you waited *checks notes* two games (with a depleted lineup no less) to take your victory lap. Honestly expected it much sooner so kudos for holding out.
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Fitzy
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Pen to paper, here's the first top 9 I'm trying out of the break.
Panarin-Chytil-Tarasenko
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kane
Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko
Kreider and Trocheck have burgeoning chemistry.'
Also, especially in regular season games, if we are rolling 3 lines heavily, Gallant HAS to resist the temptation to put Zibby and Kreider out first on the penalty kill. Let Goodrow, Vesey, Motte go first in that situation. It's what they are paid to do here.
Panarin-Chytil-Tarasenko
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kane
Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko
Kreider and Trocheck have burgeoning chemistry.'
Also, especially in regular season games, if we are rolling 3 lines heavily, Gallant HAS to resist the temptation to put Zibby and Kreider out first on the penalty kill. Let Goodrow, Vesey, Motte go first in that situation. It's what they are paid to do here.
effen
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Careful you'll get people listing all the forwards who have decent hit numbers like it matters they do polite acceptable bumps in the corners the other team expects and is fine with.
A lot of the time you'll have a guy in no man's land dead center in front of the goalie too far out to be on top and too close for most rebounds. But that's because they know they don't get crosschecked there. Sometimes Kreider will get a deflection.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
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We get a well deserved 2 days off...
It's the little things that bother me. You looked like shit. You should be practicing all 3 days.
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