Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[Fitzy]

Hear me out-

Glendening in free agency.

One of the best faceoff men in the league last year.

Detroits number one defensive zone draw and penalty killing center.

 

[Off Sides]

I’m on the get Cirelli train. He’s young, battle tested, good playoff performer, signed to basically the same thing everyone wants to give Danault. He’s had a cup win already, played a prominent role in getting that cup, and exactly the type of center we need behind Zibby. Plus Tampa is screwed and it’s 99 percent likely he has to leave cause of cap room.
I think Chytil + Jones probably gets it done. It’s a lot to give, but you know how the saying goes. That trade may also buy them enough room to extend 1 of Coleman or Goodrow. I can guarantee they don’t want to lose both.
The only other alternative for them would be to trade all of Killorn, Gourde, and Palat but the limited NTC clauses make that very tough for the bolts
My only other alternative would be to see if they throw a high dollar 2yr deal at Krecji and hope he takes it. Zibby, Strome,Chytil, and Rooney is not a good look at center for us at all

I think you hit it with the guys who have limited no trades, two of them have like a can trade to 20-22 teams, then Palat who has the more restrictive 16 team no trade clause.

And that just brings up another question, what clause would any UFA the Rangers signed require? It's not like they have been shy about handing them out.

Rangers need to find the next Danault, Coleman, Goodrow, Cirell who has not turned into that yet. Which is something good teams do, which in turn allows them to be a good team.

 

[CLW]

Kakko/Laff can win a battle here and there, mostly Kakko, yet that translated into production how often?

The main issue with this team is not lack of centers, it's lack of players who can first get to a puck battle quickly enough, and second have a decent chance of winning it. People talk of grit and whatnot, that is the effective grit the Rangers don't have and Danault does not change that with the way he plays.

Kakko's main "problem" is that he plays a modern cycle game, which none of our centers are up to except maybe Chytil. Rantanen with MacKinnon and Landeskog in Colorado does that just fine. The problem with Panarin - Strome is that that line needs to cover for Strome's lack of two way and board play by having that "Fast" player. It's just not a very balanced line. Laf- Zib - Buch is a good balanced line. Panarin - Strome - ??? will always be problematic.

Maybe a new coach can fix the issue, but to me it looks like the Rangers need to swap out Strome with a two way center. Then again, I don't think Danault, for example, is that player. There's a reason the Strome brothers are not seen as ideal C.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Kakko's main "problem" is that he plays a modern cycle game, which none of our centers are up to except maybe Chytil. Rantanen with MacKinnon and Landeskog in Colorado does that just fine. The problem with Panarin - Strome is that that line needs to cover for Strome's lack of two way and board play by having that "Fast" player. It's just not a very balanced line. Laf- Zib - Buch is a good balanced line. Panarin - Strome - ??? will always be problematic.

Maybe a new coach can fix the issue, but to me it looks like the Rangers need to swap out Strome with a two way center. Then again, I don't think Danault, for example, is that player. There's a reason the Strome brothers are not seen as ideal C.

I don't see a Panarin-Strome combo being any different than a Lafreniere-Zibanejad combo in terms of improved two-way play or cycle game. At least not based on what we saw last year. If Lafreniere improves like Kakko did, then maybe.

The question is do you want to commit 35min+ / game of "offense focused play" by spreading Panarin/Zibanejad across two lines or do you want to commit $18M+ for it on one line.

Agree that new coach could change a ton.

 

[Off Sides]

Kakko's main "problem" is that he plays a modern cycle game, which none of our centers are up to except maybe Chytil. Rantanen with MacKinnon and Landeskog in Colorado does that just fine. The problem with Panarin - Strome is that that line needs to cover for Strome's lack of two way and board play by having that "Fast" player. It's just not a very balanced line. Laf- Zib - Buch is a good balanced line. Panarin - Strome - ??? will always be problematic.

Maybe a new coach can fix the issue, but to me it looks like the Rangers need to swap out Strome with a two way center. Then again, I don't think Danault, for example, is that player. There's a reason the Strome brothers are not seen as ideal C.

I agree with swapping out Strome, yet I don't think that needs to be replaced with a ton of cap space. Panarin is good, he'll be good with just about anyone. How about they use that to develop a younger, cheaper center instead for looking for ideal right off the bat?

 

[Ola]

Laf should center Panarin next season. There are no excuses to not make that move happen. It’s shortsighted to go any other route, IMO.

Then you bring in a RW with center experience and FO ability to support Laf’s move to center ice.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Laf should center Panarin next season. There are no excuses to not make that move happen. It’s shortsighted to go any other route, IMO.

Then you bring in a RW with center experience and FO ability to support Laf’s move to center ice.

Lindholm.

 

[jay from jersey]

Lindholm.

He’d work they just have no incentive to trade him. I’m all about finding the “Next” Lindholm, Dvorak, Cirelli etc but teams don’t trade those guys. Looks at Chytil. 4 years of development will be 22 when season starts and most want to move on from him. It takes a while to develop those kind of guys. Then you need the guy behind the bench to put him with players that compliment his style and play him in situations where he can succeed. With the amount of fire power on the wings the rangers have on cheap deals and with panarin and kreider, I would think they would want a sure thing in the middle not taking a chance on a guy that can maybe. I think they will continue to draft guys like that. But if you going to deal Buch strome and maybe Chytil your doing it for a young guy like Cirelli that’s under 25 and proven and signed
The only other course of action would be a proven vet like Krecji for 2 years to kick the can down the road and continue to give Fil more minutes and PP time and hope he turns into the guy you want.
One thing is for sure, if they going to go with Barron right out of the gate this year as a 4 C, they need a solid vet on his left or right to ride shot gun with him and help get him thru the learning experiences and what is requested of him. If not you have to sign an established 4C like a Derek Ryan and shift Barron to wing. Who the hell knows what the plan is with him. They just gave him all year in the A at center so I’m guessing that’s where they want him going forward

- sorry this was meant as a reply to Offsides Post

 

[Ola]

Strome to CBJ for Boone Jenner

Pick/prospect for Ryan Reeves

Panarin-Laf-Jenner
Kravy-Zib-Buch
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Reeves-Howden-Rooney

 

[JohnC]

Laf should center Panarin next season. There are no excuses to not make that move happen. It’s shortsighted to go any other route, IMO.

Then you bring in a RW with center experience and FO ability to support Laf’s move to center ice.

What’s shortsighted about not playing a 19 year old kid at center when he’s been a LW his whole life?

 

[RGY]

Nils signed, its a great day.

If the Rangers do consider Eichel, they shove the take or leave it offer of 15th overall, Jones, Chytil, Buch/Strome. If its not enough then oh well move on. That’s 3 pieces that can play in their lineup next year. 2 that are still very young, 1 entering his prime or in it already.

Then ship the remainder of Buch/Strome out for either less expensive winger that brings diversity, such as Jenner, or picks/prospects.

Sign one of Goodrow/Bonino. Goodrow being option A unless he prices himself out of our affordable range.

Sign Coleman. Sign Oleksiak. Sign Boyle.

Trade Georgiev. Sign Rinne or Hank

Lafreniere-Eichel-Kakko
Panarin-Zib-Kravtsov
Kreider-Goodrow/Bonino-Coleman
Blackwell-Barron-Jenner/xxx
Boyle

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundkvist

Igor
xxxx

 

[Alluckks]

Buchnevich + Chytil for Lindholm + 2nd
15th overall + Gauthier for Ekholm + 3rd
Sign Danault
Sign Goodrow
Strome to wing
Howden to expansion draft

Laf Zib Kravstov
Panarin Lindholm Strome
Kreider Danault Kakko
Barron Goodrow Blackwell

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Ekholm Lundkvist

 

[jay from jersey]

Nils signed, its a great day.

If the Rangers do consider Eichel, they shove the take or leave it offer of 15th overall, Jones, Chytil, Buch/Strome. If its not enough then oh well move on. That’s 3 pieces that can play in their lineup next year. 2 that are still very young, 1 entering his prime or in it already.

Then ship the remainder of Buch/Strome out for either less expensive winger that brings diversity, such as Jenner, or picks/prospects.

Sign one of Goodrow/Bonino. Goodrow being option A unless he prices himself out of our affordable range.

Sign Coleman. Sign Oleksiak. Sign Boyle.

Trade Georgiev. Sign Rinne or Hank

Lafreniere-Eichel-Kakko
Panarin-Zib-Kravtsov
Kreider-Goodrow/Bonino-Coleman
Blackwell-Barron-Jenner/xxx
Boyle

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundkvist

Igor
xxxx

Way too much player movement IMO at most your talking about replacing 2-3 guys tops.
1 of strome or Buch this season ( probably 1 in the offseason next year as well)
Maybe upgrading on Chytil
And adding 1 experienced grinder like Goodrow for 4th lines duties.
The above line up also ensures Mika is a goner by the end of the year. It also has no Morgan Barron in it somewhere.
The chances we get both Coleman and Goodrow is prob next to 0. Tampa will most likely retain 1 of them. I like where your heads at, but it’s way too much roster turnover for 1 season
Not to mention the massive risk of the Eichel injury and the rangers will still be looking for a 2C the following year

 

[CLW]

I agree with swapping out Strome, yet I don't think that needs to be replaced with a ton of cap space. Panarin is good, he'll be good with just about anyone. How about they use that to develop a younger, cheaper center instead for looking for ideal right off the bat?

If they sign Buch and Zib the structure is pretty set for the next few years. If they don't there will have to be a lot of changes. The bolded players are tying up a lot of the cap. Strome is the obvious candidate for a trade, and one or two of the up and coming studs on D (lack of spots). Chytil will need to step up but if he can keep improving year on year he can become very good, it's the kids that keep developing that make it.

Panarin - Zib - Buch
Kreider - Strome - Kravtsov
Laf - Chytil - Kakko

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba

Shesty

 

[Doctyl]

Hear me out-

Glendening in free agency.

One of the best faceoff men in the league last year.

Detroits number one defensive zone draw and penalty killing center.

32 year old 23 point career high Glendening? Maybe for the 4th line

 

[jay from jersey]

If they sign Buch and Zib the structure is pretty set for the next few years. If they don't there will have to be a lot of changes. The bolded players are tying up a lot of the cap. Strome is the obvious candidate for a trade, and one or two of the up and coming studs on D (lack of spots). Chytil will need to step up but if he can keep improving year on year he can become very good, it's the kids that keep developing that make it.

Panarin - Zib - Buch
Kreider - Strome - Kravtsov
Laf - Chytil - Kakko

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba

Shesty

I agree with this post. I just think Buch is gone. The money they would give him for a long term deal is likely going to the 2C position. They aren’t going to add another high cap hit multi- year deal on another wing with so many other question marks
Say you get Zibby at 9 mill for 5-6 years. That would be a tad under market. But he might take that to stay. It will most likely have a NMC for 3-4 years as well. That money for Buch and strome has to go to the 2C position and give raises to LAF kakko and Kravtsov in 2 years time. Along with the ADA buyout cap.
I love Buch but simple math makes it an impossibility

 

[Off Sides]

If they sign Buch and Zib the structure is pretty set for the next few years. If they don't there will have to be a lot of changes. The bolded players are tying up a lot of the cap. Strome is the obvious candidate for a trade, and one or two of the up and coming studs on D (lack of spots). Chytil will need to step up but if he can keep improving year on year he can become very good, it's the kids that keep developing that make it.

Panarin - Zib - Buch
Kreider - Strome - Kravtsov
Laf - Chytil - Kakko

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba

Shesty

Even if we left Buch and the non bolded out

11.6
8-9? Zbad
6.5

3
8-9? Fox
8

5? Shesty

Low end 42.1M, high end 44.1M used on 7 players.

That is more than half the cap. Not including buyouts, which with ADA will be ~3M
(~2.9 next year, ~3.2 year after in total, all buyouts)

So really more like 45-47M used on 7 players. (includes Zbad but not Buch)

 

[Fitzy]

32 year old 23 point career high Glendening? Maybe for the 4th line

I wager he’d score a bit more on the third line with Kreider and Kravtsov but sure maybe.

More about having a guy to put out for those big defensive zone draws

 

[Doctyl]

I wager he’d score a bit more on the third line with Kreider and Kravtsov but sure maybe.

More about having a guy to put out for those big defensive zone draws

Among forwards on the 4th worst xGF% team in the league this year, he was 11th out of 12 with at least 300 minutes in xGF%. I don’t think that kind of player is worth winning one face off for every 5 taken compared to Chytil

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

95% nothing 5% insane cringe incoming

 

[Kocur Dill]

So we’re going after him?

Sure. And give him #16 for nostalgia.

 

[RGY]

Way too much player movement IMO at most your talking about replacing 2-3 guys tops.
1 of strome or Buch this season ( probably 1 in the offseason next year as well)
Maybe upgrading on Chytil
And adding 1 experienced grinder like Goodrow for 4th lines duties.
The above line up also ensures Mika is a goner by the end of the year. It also has no Morgan Barron in it somewhere.
The chances we get both Coleman and Goodrow is prob next to 0. Tampa will most likely retain 1 of them. I like where your heads at, but it’s way too much roster turnover for 1 season
Not to mention the massive risk of the Eichel injury and the rangers will still be looking for a 2C the following year

How is it way too many moves? Please refer to the roster transition from the 2011-2012 team to the 2012-2013 team via the 2012 offseason that included the Rick Nash trade in which we sent out 2 roster players for 1. Prust and Fedotenko moved on. So that right there was 3 forwards needing to be replaced, 4 total when you count Nash as a new body.

Eichel
Goodrow/Bonino
Coleman
Jenner

That is the same equivalent. And that 2012 team was coming off the ECF loss to the Devils and had to go through much change. This team has no real identity and needs to adapt by diversifying their lineup.

Edit: Also Barron is in the lineup as the 4C even though I am skeptical as a center. That is why I have Boyle as the 13th forward

 

[TheBloodyNine]

95% nothing 5% insane cringe incoming

Wait...what? What does that even mean?!

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Wait...what? What does that even mean?!

We will never get those 15 seconds back lol

 

[Crease]

Pretty sure that tweet is in jest about Owen wanting to go first overall. Has to be.