Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?

[egelband]

The reality is that this is one of the worst possible times to trade Kakko.

We all see him improving on a game to game basis but unless teams have been scouting him closely all they see is a guy who isn’t producing any offense yet.


Don’t sell low on players. Sell high on Buchnevich and or Strome instead

Can’t say this enough. Still see so many sell-low proposals.

 

[egelband]

If you don't think a full year of Tony , before he went off the rails and Panarin and a new coach would not have made any difference...well....I am far from alone on that boat matey !

We got caught in a perfect storm....it's not as bad as it seems . Without Trouba -Lindgren-Kreider and the trading of Lemieux....we were undermanned for sure but with them and the two others in their right frame of mind ..... we would have been in those games and have made it much more of a playoff race .

Entering the season nobody knew what the team would be facing and or could have predicted the amount of adversity we faced and or the injuries we endured along the way to key people . With a few tweaks for next season and the emergence of some kids and a new coach in place and a full camp.....we'll be in the mix .

Perfect storm, indeed. What a frustrating turn of events. I hope Drury can right the ship.

 

[smoneil]

I have it as in addition to Zib and moving on from Strome. Strome has served his purpose, but he is more of the same that this team has too much of, too much finesse, not enough grit north-south play with defensive ability. Certainly not enough faceoff ability. We need stability down the middle ROR can offer that behind Zib.

And then I would look to add Coleman and Goodrow as free agents. Bonino too.

Makes sense. I don't know that I'd bring in three more beyond ROR as you indicated above. Swapping out Strome for a grittier player is one step. Once there, I'm pretty comfortable with the four primary centers (Zib/ROR/Chytil/Barron). I'd bring in more grit for the 4th line, to play with Barron. Beyond that, I think the team needs to choose two of the three right wings (Buch, Kakko, and Kravtsov), and then move whoever gets the short straw for a top six developmental center (sadly, as he's one of my favorites on the team, it would probably be Buch due to money, age, and trade value). Hopefully they can get a first rounder for Strome.

Would give us:

Panarin--Zib--Kakko
Laf--ROR--Kravtsov
Kreider--Chytil--Gaut (or a new signing)
X-- Barron-- Blackwell

 

[bbny]

Simplicity and the right balance of improvement and patience:

Kakko for Larkin straight up. Painful to lose, but you have to give to get. Our team is better immediately, and more balanced.
Strome out for futures or a similar contract vet LD
Hire some toughness on the 4th line.
Extend Buch in particular. Love the one you're with.
Hold Georgie for now
Let the team develop, bolder moves next off-season (or even midseason) with more info available.


Laf - Zib - Buch
Panarin - Larkin - Kravtsov
Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier
Hired gun - Barron - Hired gun

Top 4 D as-is
vet LD addition / existing RD prospect

Progress. Positioned to make the playoffs, and compete for real the season after.

Pass.

 

[smoneil]

ROR would be 32 when the deal is up. I wouldn't assume he'd be 2 years and out. I also don't think the Rangers necessarily need to nail down a long term 2C right now either. The right long term solution might not be available yet.

The right long-term solution might already be on the roster as well. I saw a bunch of folks clamoring for Hertl on the trade board. Chytil's 21 year old season was actually better than Hertl's. Bringing in an O'Reilly allows Chytil to continue progressing, working on his faceoffs and defensive play, filling out a bit more, and (as the young wingers develop) playing with some veterans on his line for a change of pace. In two years, we may be looking at any number of potentialities for those top two center spots.

I still also want the team to cash in some of our excess D pipeline to pick up a Newhook or a Turcotte this offseason.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Ok, so I'll throw out the opening McDavid salvo...

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Will Dave Tippett get canned if the Oilers get swept?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Assuming the Blackhawks can’t re-sign Zadorov, would anyone be interested in trading for him and signing him to a 2-3 year deal? I’m not sure what his next deal will look like. $3m per season?

Too many penalties. Dirty player no thanks

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Ok, so I'll throw out the opening McDavid salvo...

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'll take the Cat too!

 

[huerter]

Can’t say this enough. Still see so many sell-low proposals.

Kakko is coming off his best season in the NHL. It's not selling low.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Rangers aren’t going to trade Kakko unless it’s a deal they can’t pass up why are we worrying about what we think his value is?

 

[LannyMcdonald]

Pass.

Tell me why. Honestly curious.

 

[egelband]

Weren’t the Rangers being creative hiring Quinn? I’m ready for a bit of gravity in the locker room, frankly.

 

[bbny]

Tell me why. Honestly curious.

I don't think Larkin justifies that price tag. He is a fine player, and I understand he's on a bad Detroit team, but that doesn't mean he'd be automatically good (or better) here. I'll take my chances with Kakko and look elsewhere if that's the price to get Larkin.

 

[egelband]

Kakko is coming off his best season in the NHL. It's not selling low.

Haha.

 

[xsniper11x]

Whatever your assumed probability of McDavid wanting out of EDM was before tonight’s game, it just went up dramatically.

 

[Ori]

Will Dave Tippett get canned if the Oilers get swept?

Yes, of course, maybe their GM too. Oilers had a 2-0 lead, but I did not watch the game this night.

 

[Ori]

Washington is going to rebuild and we need a center to replace #Stromeout campaign on twitter (Maybe I am wrong, I wish it was something similar maybe.)
Boston with x Rick Nasher, hehe

 

[Zats Muccarello]

So what do we offer for McDavid now that the Oilers have once again imploded?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Simplicity and the right balance of improvement and patience:

Kakko for Larkin straight up. Painful to lose, but you have to give to get. Our team is better immediately, and more balanced.
Strome out for futures or a similar contract vet LD
Hire some toughness on the 4th line.
Extend Buch in particular. Love the one you're with.
Hold Georgie for now
Let the team develop, bolder moves next off-season (or even midseason) with more info available.


Laf - Zib - Buch
Panarin - Larkin - Kravtsov
Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier
Hired gun - Barron - Hired gun

Top 4 D as-is
vet LD addition / existing RD prospect

Progress. Positioned to make the playoffs, and compete for real the season after.

lmao. Yea.....that a big nah from me.

 

[jay from jersey]

Makes sense. I don't know that I'd bring in three more beyond ROR as you indicated above. Swapping out Strome for a grittier player is one step. Once there, I'm pretty comfortable with the four primary centers (Zib/ROR/Chytil/Barron). I'd bring in more grit for the 4th line, to play with Barron. Beyond that, I think the team needs to choose two of the three right wings (Buch, Kakko, and Kravtsov), and then move whoever gets the short straw for a top six developmental center (sadly, as he's one of my favorites on the team, it would probably be Buch due to money, age, and trade value). Hopefully they can get a first rounder for Strome.

Would give us:

Panarin--Zib--Kakko
Laf--ROR--Kravtsov
Kreider--Chytil--Gaut (or a new signing)
X-- Barron-- Blackwell

I think Goodrow is key. He can play all 3 spots and if Barron stumbles at the Dot goodrow is a beast to step in at take a must win face off. What I’d like to see is
LaF - Zibanejad- Buchnevich
Panarin-trade( Josh Norris type player) mainly a stop gap vet- kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
Goodrow-Barron- Grant/ Ruesschoff
Extra- Rooney

Lindgren-Fox
Miller -Trouba
Vet stop gap/ hajek - Lundkvist/Schneider
Vet stop gap / Hajek -extra

shesty
Not Georgiev

this team isn’t your average Top 2 lines talent, 3 rd line /energy/ shutdown 4th line bangers/ grinders
We basically have enough talent for 2 first lines an second line which is our 3rd and a 4th that should act like most teams 3rd lines. We should start playing to that strength.
Obviously the top 2 lines get the bulk of the minutes, but I would beef Chytils line up, I think him and kreider can do great work together, especially Down low. They a both bigger players with superior acceleration as well. Kravtsov has the vision and can be the straw that stirs the drink so to speak. I want Goodrow for obvious reasons, he’s not going to break the bank and he’d be a perfect Guy to ride shotgun with Barron on his first full year of NHL duty. I like the idea of another savvy vet opposite Barron that does the grunt work. I think Grant in AnA would be a welcome addition to this line. I also think the Big kid we got in Hartford Austin Ruesschoff should get a look there. The more I read about his game and how is doing in Hartford the more I’m encouraged. He seems to know his role and has some chemistry with Barron already. He’s not a bruiser by any means, but he doesn’t avoid Contact either. He’s a big body with some skill who may turn out to be a pretty good 4th liner.
I don’t think this is the final product by any means, but this takes us around the trade deadline where the prospect of moving Buch becomes more realistic. It’s also gives Robertson and Schneider a Half year in the AHL playing big minutes. I think at that point we see a blockbuster trade for a center. Perhaps Some combination of Buch, Chytil, Lundkvist( depending on Schneider and Robertson’s progression). I also think Barron is too talented for 4th. It will be fine his rookie year to get his feet wet but IMO he’s destined as this teams 3C. That’s why at deadline time, you might see Chytil dealt in a package for a guy like ROR, Cirelli, Dvorak, etc the long term solution to our 2nd line center search.
I think the following year, the team looks even more different
LaF-Zibby/Barkov/Eichel - kakko. ( most likely the resign Zibby)

Panarin-Dvorak/Cirelli/ROR- Kravtsov/UFA/internal replacement

Kreider-Barron- Kravtsov/ UFA/ internal replacement

Goodrow- UFA/trade/ internal replacement-for the other 2 spots
. But I digress I’m getting ahead of myself

 

[jay from jersey]

Think they will have to reshuffle. There are a number of players there that would add that bit of grit and sandpaper the team needs to add.

I think it’s possible they would move him. The package would hurt, but he’s the exact type of player we need. I was clamoring for the rangers to get him from Colorado years ago when he wanted out. Would probably cost 1 of Buch/Chytil 1 of lundkvist/ Jones/ Schneider/ Robertson and a 1st to get the blues to pull the trigger though

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

Tell me why. Honestly curious.

Kakko has the potential (and is still trending that way despite a slow start) to be a Selke-winning/franchise winger or at the very least legit and very strong 1RW. Larkin is very good, but his current play is Kakko's floor imho.

Yeah, he could improve, but maybe he won't.

And even through 1C >1RW, I am not trading away the very realistic prospect of Kakko developing into Mark Stone 2.0 for Larkin, who is an excellent 2C/a little underwhelming 1C.

 

[Circus86]

I don't think we need to do anything major in the off-season. I think we see once again that depth in really important. It doesn't help if you have a McDavid and Draisaitl on your team, if that means that you have only one scoring line. Looking at the past SC winners you need depth and 2-3 scoring lines. We have to be careful adding any big contracts, we already have Panarin, Trouba, Kreider etc. And we have to pay the kids at some point. Rather add cheaper options for grid and experience.

The biggest question mark is C. I would look into possibilities of trading Strome and Buch and aquire a solid 2C. ROR won't likely be available but I think it would be a perfect fit, maybe Danault. Add experience to the 4th line and a big vet D, something like Oleksiak. Wouldn't do much else.