Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock

[Irishguy42]

Panarin is an elite player in the NHL and earned that contract. He is likely to be elite for the first half and still a great 1st liner the second half.

In his second deal, Kakko likely won't be as good as Panarin is in the back half of his contract.

But yes, let's continue dunking on a player just because he makes a lot of money. He isn't overpaid. Get over it.

 

[bobbop]

Since it's a slow week, here's something to think about...

The Blackhawks won The Stanley Cup in 2010 during Kane & Toews 3rd season. They had some young talent pre-2007-08 (Keith and Seabrook) but made most of their major changes in 2008 and beyond. That included running off some bad contracts, making a few key free agent signings and developing some additional players. Hockey teams do not take forever to rebuild (unless of course you are the Arizona Coyotes)

I'm asking for a lot here but that's the model I'd like to see the Rangers follow.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Panarin is an elite player in the NHL and earned that contract. He is likely to be elite for the first half and still a great 1st liner the second half.

In his second deal, Kakko likely won't be as good as Panarin is in the back half of his contract.

But yes, let's continue dunking on a player just because he makes a lot of money. He isn't overpaid. Get over it.

I'm a little confused what you meant, but Kakko can very likely be the best player on the team in 3-4 years.

 

[Irishguy42]

I'm a little confused what you meant, but Kakko can very likely be the best player on the team in 3-4 years.

Sorry, meant "start of [second deal]", if that clears it up.

 

[Raspewtin]

Kappo’s an 18 year old on his ELC.

Panarin’s a 28 year old with 81m invested.

Every player Is 1 hit away from an injury in hockey. Not every player has an 11M cap hit for the next 7 years.

this doesn't address the point that literally every athlete in the world is one "bad luck" away from being a bad investment or completely useless to the team's goals.

 

[Alluckks]

If only we had a perfect example of when a poster fought and argued with practically everyone else because he believed he was smarter and correct...

 

[MrPodz]

Kakko, zbad, trouba, panarin, miller, shesterkin, fox. Thats your core and you build off it with complimentary players. Elite players bring up other players. Even if youre a pessimist, thats a core that( given 2 or 3 more years) is a contender imo.

 

[LokiDog]

Sorry, meant "start of [second deal]", if that clears it up.

I think we’d all be disappointed if Kaako going into his 4th NHL season isn’t as good as Panarin at that point. I think Panarin is likely to still be extremely productive and giving us prime production in the 4th year if his deal but he’ll also be 31/32 and Kaako will be a 4th year pro. I think if Kaako hasn’t “broken out” as a star by then people will be pretty bummed.

 

[ohbaby]

Wait is your argument really “the coach didn’t bench him so he must have been playing well”? Is that really the argument you’re making? Because you keep repeating it as if it’s this revelation or something. Or if it’s, like, a good argument....

You figured that all on your own. Good for you.

 

[Irishguy42]

Appealing to authority is the weakest of arguments.

Just because the coach did something, or because a player is playing big minutes, does not mean it's good and therefor we should accept it as good.

 

[Irishguy42]

I think we’d all be disappointed if Kaako going into his 4th NHL season isn’t as good as Panarin at that point. I think Panarin is likely to still be extremely productive and giving us prime production in the 4th year if his deal but he’ll also be 31/32 and Kaako will be a 4th year pro. I think if Kaako hasn’t “broken out” as a star by then people will be pretty bummed.

I agree, and I hope it isn't the case.

 

[Kovalev27]

I mean it's always possible he doens't like how Trouba has progressed though from what I can tell the general idea seems to be that he has gotten better?

Trouba had his best year to date!

 

[NYSPORTS]

And how many assists?

It can't be broken down that way but if we must, I'd expect 35-40 pts. low-end.

It’s his frosh year so i’m excited for him regardless. Guaranteed, there will be more than a handful calling him a bust if he isn’t awesome.

 

[ETTER DE]

Since it's a slow week, here's something to think about...

The Blackhawks won The Stanley Cup in 2010 during Kane & Toews 3rd season. They had some young talent pre-2007-08 (Keith and Seabrook) but made most of their major changes in 2008 and beyond. That included running off some bad contracts, making a few key free agent signings and developing some additional players. Hockey teams do not take forever to rebuild (unless of course you are the Arizona Coyotes)

I'm asking for a lot here but that's the model I'd like to see the Rangers follow.

I have sad it before. The 21/22 season with Kakko and Kravtsov still on ELC could be the first season Rangers are contenders. But of course that depends on the development of these and other players. You have to think that somewhere between now and then they will sign or trade for a number 1 LD.

 

[ohbaby]

We will most likely have one opening on our top line, i.e. next to Ziba, and that will be to the right. I would be surprised if Kreider isn't at a lock at LW on that line.

Hi Ola, been a long time. I am so excited this offseason I payed a visit here.

I was thinking the same thing. Why breakup the Kreids, Ziba, Buch line, when they have been together for two years and been productive. But from all I heard, Panarin is certain to play with Ziba. Guess they want to spread out the vets among some youngsters. That means Kakko most likely is on that first line with the breadman, and Ziba. Kreids with Chytil and Buch. Kravtsov with Strome and whoever. That my take.

"I want Kakko to play on more in a checking line environment"
Bad idea. This guy needs the puck. That's his strength. You got to play to their strengths. especially with youngsters. He's a puck handler, he needs linemates that can get him the puck. Have you seen the highlight reel I posted last page or two. This kid is a beast on the puck.

 

[Irishguy42]

Yeah, Quinn has definitely alluded to, through multiple quotes, that we'll see Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko at least to start the season.

How long that lasts...we'll see.

 

[Ola]

this doesn't address the point that literally every athlete in the world is one "bad luck" away from being a bad investment or completely useless to the team's goals.

I am not sure I understand this either, players are hit like what 3-4 times a game and have a ton of bad luck, still we don’t see many career ending injuries.

Sure potentially, you can enter a season with 50 players under contract and then have — all 50 players — suffer season ending injuries the first week of the season.

Does this fact change how you manage your team? No. Should you never sign players to long term contracts because they can get hurt? You can come to different conclusions, but it’s only logically to come to one based on the — likelyhood — of a player getting hurt and the negative impact of it. I think it’s generally assumed that it’s so unlikely with a career ending injury that it’s accepted.

You shouldn’t come to a different opinion just because it’s theoretically possible that certain things happen.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, Quinn has definitely alluded to, through multiple quotes, that we'll see Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko at least to start the season.

How long that lasts...we'll see.

A good idea because Kreider basically doesn't need a center.

 

[Kupo]

this doesn't address the point that literally every athlete in the world is one "bad luck" away from being a bad investment or completely useless to the team's goals.

I acknowledged this already by agreeing with the point you made. There’s no argument there.

I mentioned that RB has a right to be concerned about signing Panarin for a number of reasons.

If Panarin and Buch both have devastating injuries, does that have an equal impact to us? No, it does not.

 

[pld459666]

Every time(and I really mean every time like they are aware Panarin will be 28 and they just gave him so much money while at the same time are preaching patience and process). JD discusses Panarin, he always throws out the caveat about Panarin still being a productive player when the Rangers young players have become stars in 2-3 years.

Panarin will be 28 this October. How many prime seasons are left? Two? The Rangers better hope it is at least two for the amount of money they have committed to Panarin.

The Rangers gave one player 7/$81.5M and they don’t expect to win in the few remaining prime seasons left in that player.

It’s not like the Rangers are winning this or next season and they can say “we will deal with the fall out after we hopefully have won”.

Some of the same people who brought us Shattenkirk now have brought in Panarin.

I think Panarin has 6 elite level years left.

Style of play, miles on his legs no past injuries to creep up on him

But that's an opinion.

 

[ohbaby]

That one highlight earlier on when he reverse-checked that dude to the ground, swooped around behind the net and set up his teammate for the open net one timer made me feel some type of way

The reason that play worked is because two defenders chased him behind the net, leaving his teammate wide open on the other side.

At 3:57 in that vid, was perhaps my favorite. His defensive play led to a goal. And right after that highlight, he out muscles someone for the puck. There were other highlights too where his defensive play led directly to goals. He has a great stick to break up plays.

 

[pld459666]

Yeah, Quinn has definitely alluded to, through multiple quotes, that we'll see Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko at least to start the season.

How long that lasts...we'll see.

That line should be given till after Thanksgiving before its split

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Panarin is an elite player in the NHL and earned that contract. He is likely to be elite for the first half and still a great 1st liner the second half.

In his second deal, Kakko likely won't be as good as Panarin is in the back half of his contract.

But yes, let's continue dunking on a player just because he makes a lot of money. He isn't overpaid. Get over it.

His cap hit percentage is justified for the player he is.

 

[SA16]

Unless they are playing 22+ minutes per game Panarin and Zibanejad should not be on the same line.

 

[Ken Lund]

You figured that all on your own. Good for you.

I think that most of the times Quinn benched someone like Buchnevich or DeAngelo last year it was to send a message that they could be better. I dont think anyone believes Staal needs to have a fire lit under him. He's trying but injuries have taken their toll. Sitting him won't really help.