Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock
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well now, give the devil his due. If you can forgive a player for coming unglued because of anyone, it'd be because of Sean Avery
Paulie Walnutz
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Hunter Gathers
The Crown
How am I stat surfing when my response to you contained no stats?
"They were both young players with potential that didn’t put it together in the NHL until their mid 20’s."
You're literally only using stats for this since you're providing zero context. Awful comparisons.
Woof. Edmonton is where you sign when no one else is interested, or when you’re signing for more money than anyone else is willing to give.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
Panarin- Zibanejad- Kakko
Kreider- Lias- Kravtsov
Chytil- Strome- Buchnevich
Lemieux- Howden- Fast
Namestnikov
Skjei-Trouba
Smith-DeAngelo
Hajek- Fox
Staal
Lundqvist
Georgiev
In other words, trade Namestnikov and Staal! Where's that praying emoji?
Kreider- Lias- Kravtsov
Chytil- Strome- Buchnevich
Lemieux- Howden- Fast
Namestnikov
Skjei-Trouba
Smith-DeAngelo
Hajek- Fox
Staal
Lundqvist
Georgiev
In other words, trade Namestnikov and Staal! Where's that praying emoji?
Let me modify my statements to satisfy you and @SA16.
Nich is a terrible signing for Colorado. He has no chance of resurrecting his career. He’s not even a has been... He’s a never was.
There’s a zero percent chance he becomes an NHL player. He sucks giant horse**** and should consider a career as a professional janitor.
There. Happy?
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SA16
Sixstring
I am still failing to understand how guys who performed at MVP/point per game levels in their previous leagues are comparisons for a player who didn’t even have great junior, minor league, or professional league stats in any league he’s ever played in since he was 16 years old. He’s had one good year - his NHL rookie year stapled to a line with Seguin. Before and after then have been bad.
I am more than willing to give the devil his due....however, it seemed to me that K was the easiest target of Avery's career -- he didn't have to "Avery" to unnerve K.
He wouldn’t have made the KHL at 17 if he didn’t possess some kind of talent. He was excellent in the WJC’s as well.
I’m not disagreeing his performance has been subpar the last few seasons. It absolutely has.
I’ll say it again. This is practically a zero risk signing for Colorado. If you disagree, then fine.
Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
Laracques has been on fire to this point in terms of breaking UFA signings. I'd love to see him be right on this one also. The Chiclets guys talk about him a lot, seems like a great guy so I'm not surprised he's tapped in around the league.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
The funny thing—well, one of—about Nichushkin is that even when the hype-train was in 6th gear (or whatever the highest gear on train is; do trains have gears?) it was only a 34-point season, albeit still great for 18 years old. People were talking about him like he was Shrek Jr.
The 0 goals in 57 games is ghastly. And he only took like half the shots he normally takes so it’s not like you can blame ALL of it on bad luck. Most of Tanner Glass’ seasons were better than that lol.
The 0 goals in 57 games is ghastly. And he only took like half the shots he normally takes so it’s not like you can blame ALL of it on bad luck. Most of Tanner Glass’ seasons were better than that lol.
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Oscar Lindberg
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No offense to DeAngleo and Lemieux but they’ve done nothing via their play that would require anything more than a QO
I’m all for guys wanting to get paid but take the one year contract and get your money next year in arbitration
And can they even be offersheeted? I thought you couldn’t offersheet once the team qualifies them
I’m all for guys wanting to get paid but take the one year contract and get your money next year in arbitration
And can they even be offersheeted? I thought you couldn’t offersheet once the team qualifies them
only arbitration or lack of service years block offer sheets. if a team doesn't qualify them then they become UFAs, so a qualifying offer is actually a requirement to be eligible for an offer sheet.
no one is going to offer sheet them. thats not how the league works and still countless guys not signed.
Paulie Walnutz
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But I was told that DeAngelo is the best “transitional” passing d-man in the league. There was even a thread about it on the main boards
I don’t know what Lemieux is waiting for. He’s been a fourth liner finally given an opportunity. He should have signed his offer a month ago. Definitely doesn’t deserve anymore money right now and he’s the last guy that should hold out. This roster is jammed as it is. He can sit all year and do nothing but hurt himself. NYR shouldn’t budge on him.
DeAngelo little different story. Was basically our top dman most of last year. Put up 30 pts. You can see him wanting a better deal. Perhaps with some term 2 years or so to bridge. NYR May be saying go earn it this year kid. And he’s got no leverage he may have too. Except that there is a huge hole on the right side without him. Unlike Lemieux we desperately need him here to start the season.
DeAngelo little different story. Was basically our top dman most of last year. Put up 30 pts. You can see him wanting a better deal. Perhaps with some term 2 years or so to bridge. NYR May be saying go earn it this year kid. And he’s got no leverage he may have too. Except that there is a huge hole on the right side without him. Unlike Lemieux we desperately need him here to start the season.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
both of these guys are in a tough spot. they have limited leverage if they want to play at msg.
both offer something that is tangible. grit, edge and production. dont underestimate the dynamic both offer.
i can understand the desire for more money but this team doesn't have it right now.
sign the QA, have a productive year injury free, and cash in on a fair bridge or a longer deal.
both of these players- although making chump change, are important to this team.
both offer something that is tangible. grit, edge and production. dont underestimate the dynamic both offer.
i can understand the desire for more money but this team doesn't have it right now.
sign the QA, have a productive year injury free, and cash in on a fair bridge or a longer deal.
both of these players- although making chump change, are important to this team.
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Since the Kevin Hayes trade the lack of elite center options in the Rangers depth chart has been on my mind a lot. It seems a big glaring weakness and something that could hold them back.
That said, I just looked back at the 94 Cup Roster and realized that team had no 2nd line center during the entire run. After Mess there was Nemchinov. Weight had been traded. And for a good chunk of the playoffs Kovalev centered the second line between Larmer and Matteau. Sure, there were other guys like MacTavish and Hudson and I believe Tikk played C during the run as well. But it was really 2C by committee.
This is by no means an argument that the team doesn't need to figure out a legit 2c option. But it is interesting to see that, at least one very specific circumstance, that role wasn't as vital as we make it out to be. But then again, it also shows that if Mess went down at any point during the 94 run, it it most likely would have been cut short. And it's crazy to realize that there were stretches in those playoffs where Keenan benched Messier despite the lack of depth behind him.
That said, I just looked back at the 94 Cup Roster and realized that team had no 2nd line center during the entire run. After Mess there was Nemchinov. Weight had been traded. And for a good chunk of the playoffs Kovalev centered the second line between Larmer and Matteau. Sure, there were other guys like MacTavish and Hudson and I believe Tikk played C during the run as well. But it was really 2C by committee.
This is by no means an argument that the team doesn't need to figure out a legit 2c option. But it is interesting to see that, at least one very specific circumstance, that role wasn't as vital as we make it out to be. But then again, it also shows that if Mess went down at any point during the 94 run, it it most likely would have been cut short. And it's crazy to realize that there were stretches in those playoffs where Keenan benched Messier despite the lack of depth behind him.
SA16
Sixstring
Hayes was a linchpin for the team. Not having him is going to really hurt the depth.
Calad
Section 422
Disagree about Deangelo, 30 points in 60 games playing as many minutes as he did is nothing to scoff at. Lemieux was barely above a replacement player though
Yeah DeAngelo legit has an argument for something better than his QO, though the Rangers can also point to the fact of him getting scratched at times and not being a complete regular
Sign the QO and show up to Camp, or sit out and hope they're better at Poker than Gorts.
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