Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Chaels Arms]

The NHL isn't the only option for Kravtsov...

 

[Fitzy]

NYR won't have to give up a 1st rounder to get the pieces we need.

Dangle one of Robertson/Jones and hit the bargain bin for anything else

 

[EdJovanovski]

The NHL isn't the only option for Kravtsov...

Yea I kinda worry this level isn't really high enough for him, the NHL doesn't challenge him enough. They may need to split the league and relegate the lower tier players to the NHL and have the higher tier players play in a Premiere League. He's so far ahead of everyone that it looks like he's behind, sort of like running on a track and he's lapped everybody and now it looks like he's in last. I won't be surprised if having a player like Kravtsov causes Bettman to rethink the structure of the league, rules of the sport, etc

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The NHL isn't the only option for Kravtsov...

I’m not even sure it’s the most realistic option.

I don’t know how strong his desire to play here is. He’s got a better chance to be a star over seas.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Why would a higher cap be worse for a majority of players? More money to sign bigger contracts hurts them how?
Not at all saying I think they should strike, just trying to get a handle on your logic.

Because the amount of escrow the majority of players who are already under contract would have to pay would increase, especially if they haven't paid off the debt to the owners yet. The amount of players who would benefit this offseason from a higher cap would be marginal and doesn't offset the rest of the NHLPA.

 

[Leonardo87]

NYR won't have to give up a 1st rounder to get the pieces we need.

Dangle one of Robertson/Jones and hit the bargain bin for anything else

I’d prefer to keep both 1st rounders, very deep draft. But if we really want a good player may cost us one of those firsts. But if we can get someone good for a 2nd and a prospect, all for it.

I’m still very curious what will happen with Kravtsov. Gallant has made it pretty clear about what he thinks of him.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

So what’s going to happen with the giant elephant in the room? If gallant is not going to play him, and even though he has played well, still nothing earth shattering. It may be time to move on if he cannot get the ice time and opportunities here and that’s not saying he won’t figure it out somewhere else.

Kravtsov's future with this team ended when he refused to go to Hartford. The "mending of the fences" and having him return was a result of the Rangers not wanting this to turn into another Lias situation. Their sole intent was to build up his trade value.

 

[kovazub94]

Whether Kravtsov is traded depends on how Drury values his equivalent in draft picks, especially considering how valuable 2023 draft - rounds 1 and 2 - shaping up to be. The Rangers do need to start building up their prospects pipeline again. I’d say if Kravtsov can be send as an equivalent of 1st - that’s an easy decision to move him. 2nd is a push and a 3rd - I’d keep Kravtsov.

On the other hand they will need as many cheap contracts next year as possible but Drury already signed Vesey and Brodzinski, Gauthier and Blais should not be expensive at all and both Othmann and Cuylle will be on ECL.

Let’s assume Goodrow will need to be moved from the current roster:

Panarin - Zibanejad - x
Kids line
Kreider - Trocheck - Othmann
Vesey - Brodzinski - Gauthier
Blais, Leschychyn, Cuylle

This is the worst case scenario in terms of losing a roster player and there’s a room for Kravtsov if Drury wants to take that risk (Othmann and Cuylle also can be freely send to Hartford)

 

[I Eat Crow]

It won't be easy to deal Karlsson's $11.5M contract. What's the big deal about Lebanc? Grier should have bought Lebanc out last summer. Grier should get a good deal for Meier. One thing about Grier is his trades and signings have not been very good.

They'll have to retain on Karlsson. I think there will be a market for him at 33% retained.

Lebanc is having a good year. Would love him on a 1 year prove it deal here if he gets bought out. Just one year at 4.75 million after this one left. Could fill the RW hole on this roster at a cheap cap hit. Hometown kid with good analytics.

Meier will get a good/great prospect, a 1st, and 2nd from a contender. SJ needs a lot more to turn things around. Looking at that roster, it just looks so bad. They should deal Couture and anyone else not nailed down. Good luck trading that Vlasic contract. Hertl has 7 years left at a really high number. He may be the only one safe there.

 

[Alluckks]

This is my ideal deadline

Barbashev
Erne
Bonino
Kulikov
2023 3rd or later picks dealt, 2024 2nd or later picks dealt, mid prospects dealt; maybe Zac Jones if he is preferred by the team acquiring rather than the 2024 4th (or if we get like a 3rd round pick back on top of the rental)

Panarin Zib Barbashev
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Goodrow
Erne Bonino Vesey

That 3rd line can play matchups at home

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Kulikov Schneider

 

[huerter]

Panarin has played 250ish games as a Ranger and how many have been with Zib? Less than 50? Now we're cementing them together for the rest of the year and into the playoffs and going into next year?

Nah. Stick to THE TEMPLATE.

 

[kovazub94]

This is my ideal deadline

Barbashev
Erne
Bonino
Kulikov
2023 3rd or later picks dealt, 2024 2nd or later picks dealt, mid prospects dealt; maybe Zac Jones if he is preferred by the team acquiring rather than the 2024 4th (or if we get like a 3rd round pick back on top of the rental)

Panarin Zib Barbashev
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Goodrow
Erne Bonino Vesey

That 3rd line can play matchups at home

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Kulikov Schneider

I’ve seen a lot of posters asking for Barbashev but I don’t think he will be a good fit with Panarin - Zibanejad. He’s not a shooter nor he’s a playmaker. He’d fit with Kreider - Trocheck but the Rangers already have options there or could get someone who’d cost less to trade for.

 

[McRanger92]

I’ve seen a lot of posters asking for Barbashev but I don’t think he will be a good fit with Panarin - Zibanejad. He’s not a shooter nor he’s a playmaker. He’d fit with Kreider - Trocheck but the Rangers already have options there or could get someone who’d cost less to trade for.

Tarasenko is the best top line fit. He can finish and will go to the dirty areas to score. The intangible Russian and Cup Experience factors are a bonus. I feel like he’s the type of add that can make a real difference.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I still really like the idea of Kane and a extra D. Middle 6 forwards are great, but imagine a line of Panarin - Zibanejad - Kane.

Drury made a really good call last year getting Vatrano + Copp instead of 1 slightly higher tier player like the penguins getting Rakell. So maybe it's better to not get Kane and spend on a little more quantity to be better suited for any injuries

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I don’t think they will but anyone who thinks they won’t take a big swing in the next few weeks (barring a collapse of course) is kidding themselves.

Dadonov, Erne, Barbashev - Like I can see them coming away with one of these guys (Erne fits in several ways) but I can’t see them limiting themselves to just this group of player.


I think he deals one and keeps one fwiw. I just hope that Patrick Kane is not involved.

It’d be nice if Panarin could go back to being Hartemi, that would be the biggest deadline pickup

I could see us dealing one of the first rounders as well as making a conditional trade that involves the other. It's go big or go home time there is no reason to hold onto those late round picks at this point

 

[kovazub94]

I still really like the idea of Kane and a extra D. Middle 6 forwards are great, but imagine a line of Panarin - Zibanejad - Kane.

Drury made a really good call last year getting Vatrano + Copp instead of 1 slightly higher tier player like the penguins getting Rakell. So maybe it's better to not get Kane and spend on a little more quantity to be better suited for any injuries

Kane has documented injuries that impacted his play. Plus his cost to acquire will likely be prohibitive.

 

[MrAlmost]

Is Hartman really on the outside looking in for Minnesota? If he is, he would be a good fit for us this year and next. Maybe even get retention and then we can fill out the roster without having to move anyone.

 

[RGY]

I could see us dealing one of the first rounders as well as making a conditional trade that involves the other. It's go big or go home time there is no reason to hold onto those late round picks at this point

This is not go big or go home time. This isnt the Rangers of 2015 on what could be the last year of a window to win. Or even the 2016 team if you still had some hope based off the previous two years. The window just opened for this group. They are still very young. This is one of the deepest drafts in a long time according to pundits. Like very deep. They are stating that most 2nd round picks this year would be better than the potential 1st round picks next year. I am not one to prospect or draft pick hug depending on the deal at hand or the situation of the organization at the time. But this isn’t the year to mortgage the draft picks. Certainly not both 1sts.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

For me, the only draw to Kane is if he really really wants to go here and take a bullshit contract to help us with the cap. Rangers need good contracts coming from somewhere. But he grew up rooting for the Sabres, and they would probably like to have him too.

 

[effen]

I think it’s more likely that they deal both firsts than keep both of them.

Really? I think it's a lock they keep both unless they swing a young guy with term and surplus contract value like Chychrun.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Out of all the probably available players who would fill the hole on RW I think Tarasenko might be the best. In terms of cost and fit. Meier would be awesome but unlikely, I like Labanc but idk if SJ would retain half. Kane looks done and is hurt.

 

[bhamill]

Because the amount of escrow the majority of players who are already under contract would have to pay would increase, especially if they haven't paid off the debt to the owners yet. The amount of players who would benefit this offseason from a higher cap would be marginal and doesn't offset the rest of the NHLPA.

By this logic the players should benefit by a dropping cap…
The escrow is only an issue with DROPPING team/league revenue, which is absolutely NOT the issue going forward… for now. The only reason they are talking about cap jumping at all is because this coming next ggggseason at latest the escrow will be paid off by the rising revenue. They are just talking about raising it a little more after this season instead of a much larger jump after next. Also, if the average contract is 3-4 years, 25-33% of players would benefit from higher cap in any given year and over a 4 year period, MOST players would benefit. Again not saying they should strike over it just that I can’t see the majority of players being against cap going up.

 

[Lion Hound]

For me, the only draw to Kane is if he really really wants to go here and take a bullshit contract to help us with the cap. Rangers need good contracts coming from somewhere. But he grew up rooting for the Sabres, and they would probably like to have him too.

I do think this is very much a possibility.

Kane is 6th all time in earnings as far as NHL players go. He’s already earned north of $115 Million.

Would he do a Eric Stall deal at $750k for play for a contender?

I haven’t watched Chicago enough to tell if he is cooked, or just hampered by an injury, or even disengaged with the Blackhawks.

I just have a gut feeling that they will be in on him.

 

[McRanger92]

I do think this is very much a possibility.

Kane is 6th all time in earnings as far as NHL players go. He’s already earned north of $115 Million.

Would he do a Eric Stall deal at $750k for play for a contender?

I haven’t watched Chicago enough to tell if he is cooked, or just hampered by an injury, or even disengaged with the Blackhawks.

I just have a gut feeling that they will be in on him.

The injury is what concerns me with Kane. Can’t trade for damaged goods

 

[SA16]

Because the amount of escrow the majority of players who are already under contract would have to pay would increase, especially if they haven't paid off the debt to the owners yet. The amount of players who would benefit this offseason from a higher cap would be marginal and doesn't offset the rest of the NHLPA.

Additionally because a higher cap is just going to result in the top players signing larger contracts. All of the players on ELCs, league minimum, and cheap deals will just earn less money when they have to pay higher escrow because the league revenues haven't changed. If the cap is higher, Matthews will get more on his next contract. Jimmy Vesey is getting his league minimum deal either way.