Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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It’s more nuanced than that.

15 no trade. That means there’s 17 teams available. As long as one of those 17 teams want him and it’s not who’d he sign with if he were bought out…. That’s the pitch

It can be Detroit, Columbus or any team for that matter. A team looking for vet jam. If they feel he won’t sign with them, they’d trade for him. We’re not forced to trade him.
Rangers won't do it, but they could tell Goodrow if he won't accept a trade to any destination, they are going to waive him, and if some team picks him up he goes there whether or not he wants to, so he should give them a list of places where he'd be willing to go to so the Rangers can "try" to trade with one of those teams before waiving him. Not different than when Tampa traded McD.
 
The Rangers are 16-4-3 since Das Helmet and now have the eighth best winning percentage in hockey and probably rank in the top 1-3 over the last 23 games.

Chytil, Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Leschyshyn, Lindgren, Miller, Schneider are all 24 and under. These players, and the 2 1st's, should be kept at all costs. Any rentals should be for something else (Otthman aside).

Trouba has been better over the last month+. Trocheck has earned his contract. Goodrow is a valuable piece that can play anywhere. Vesey might be the best value contract in the league. Gauthier found his feet. Halak figured his shit out. Kreider is on his usual pace for near 30 goals.

There's a lot. A LOT to be positive about.
Sure is.....I would love to see a winger like Greenway /Jeannott out there in a Boston series . It is either goaltending or muscle that will be needed to beat them....and maybe both . We have the guys in net...but we are light in the muscle and if we do anything....get one of them .
 
One of these things is not like the others lol. One of these things does not belong

They all belong. That's kind of the point. I realize Jake isn't going to morph into any kind of star, but he's a young cost controlled 4C that might develop further. I'll take him with his moderate potential over Carpenter or a non NHL'er like Rhydal any day of the week.
 
They all belong. That's kind of the point. I realize Jake isn't going to morph into any kind of star, but he's a young cost controlled 4C that might develop further. I'll take him with his moderate potential over Carpenter or a non NHL'er like Rhydal any day of the week.
While I agree with your overall point in the Rangers should keep all of them, the picks, and see what happens

I believe Rydahl could play in the NHL. I'd guess he would be on a similar level to Rooney.

It's too bad the Rangers went with Carpenter instead of him out of camp.
 
While I agree with your overall point in the Rangers should keep all of them, the picks, and see what happens

I believe Rydahl could play in the NHL. I'd guess he would be on a similar level to Rooney.

It's too bad the Rangers went with Carpenter instead of him out of camp.

Carpenter has been outplaying him in Hartford.
 
Carpenter has been outplaying him in Hartford.

10 points in 31 games in Hartford and people think this guy should have been the NHL 4C out of camp. Is he expected to score in the NHL ina. 4th line role? Not really. But he should he able to in lower leagues. Even carpenter is scoring nearly a point/game down there. If you can’t score in the AHL what are you possibly going to do in the NHL? He’s also somehow managed to take 14 minor penalties in 31 games
 
Heavily disagree that the only variable for slowing down the B’s would be injuries. Have you seen the average age of that roster? There is still a lot of season left. Will the bodies of the seasoned vets hold up? Will their pace keep up? They don’t have a lot of cap space to add at the deadline. They would have to move some money out to add someone significant. Likely only able to add depth players. They don’t have their 2nd round picks in 2023 or 2024. Will they deal their 2023 1st? Most teams are hesitant. Will they deal their 2024 1st in what could be a year where they take a step back due to the cap complications they are about to face in the offseason to shape their 2023-2024 roster. So how many quality depth pieces could they add with the draft picks in rounds 3 & 4 over the next 2 drafts? They can come away with someone but is it enough to give the group a shot in the arm to push through the rest of the season? Meanwhile you have deeper, younger teams that are starting to find their stride just past the halfway point. And some of those teams will be able to add more at the deadline.

Bottom line is I don’t think it is so clear cut that Boston is going to be this powerhouse come playoff time.
Boston is a juggernaut right now. I'm not sure how much is going to change over the last 34 games. Yes, some of their key players are older but they could basically coast the rest of the way and still finish first in the league. They don't really have to add a difference maker at the deadline, just stay healthy. Anything can happen in the playoffs for sure and that's why you just have to get in but right now I just can't see anybody beating them 4 times in a series. They are just too good and do everything well. We will see in a few months.
 
Of course they take the cap into consideration, they’ve just made poor decisions with respect to it. Like many GMs do.

And the problem here isn’t that I would have “no” veterans, it’s that I would have less. Some posters are unwilling to acknowledge that to get better you have to shed expensive contracts or even trade good players before their expiration to get better value in return.
The only contract that is problematic at this moment is Trochek. And it has nothing to do with his play or performance and everything to do with Chytil.
 
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You mean a player with a long track record is regressing to his mean? Nooooooo

Here’s a fun topic to baby about, I’d re-sign Halak right now to a 1 year extension. See if he’ll take slightly less than this year. $1.2m.
Just checked and surprised to learn Halak’s W/L, save pct, and GAA this season are the best of or comparable to Greiss’ and Lindgren’s. I think we made the right sign.
 
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I agree as I’m one to throw Chytil in on suggestions but he’s on a roll

I think Kravtsov is different as he can boot to Russia again if not happy . I’d move him now

Cuylee and Othmaan are replacements soon
The Russian option for Kravy or any player is off the table...you have got to be crazy to go there.
 
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You mean a player with a long track record is regressing to his mean? Nooooooo

Here’s a fun topic to baby about, I’d re-sign Halak right now to a 1 year extension. See if he’ll take slightly less than this year. $1.2m.
Another option would be to pay him league minimum with like 500k in easily achievable performance bonuses. So the total value of the contract would be 1.275 mil, but his cap hit would only be 775k. If part or all of the bonus rolls over into 2024-25, that's not a huge amount to absorb as the cap should go up significantly by then.
 
Missing out on a full season or so in the AHL has hurt the kid without a doubt . If he had spent some time there and bulked up some and got adjusted to a more NHL pace and then built up some confidence and familiarity with systems and coaches and other players and just overall life in NA ....he might be a more well rounded and NHL ready product at this stage . Now we have a guy coming off an ELC ...still light...and still on the outside looking in and also likely will be wanting a slight raise along with more ice .

I agree he has no role in NY at the moment and I am not in love with trading him for peanuts......if we can get a guy of equal projected value....yes . The kid is lanky , still young and skilled...and still holds promise . We have some time invested in him and if we just get a rental or a pick....it likely is wasted time unless we win a Cup with the rental which probably won't happen this season .

I would like to keep him....and go with Kakko-Kravs-Gauthier & Cuylee/Othmann down the rd...that SHOULD be a very good right side . Left side of Panarin if still here Lafreniere Kreider and one of Othmann /Cuylee . That makes us a deep club IMO and not that far away for our best chance at a Cup .....
He’s on the Buchnevich development curve. My guess is he’s still 1-2 years away from the kind of strength that will make him far more effective. I’m just hopeful this season has helped get VK and the Rangers on the same page about timeline. I don’t know that Drury envisions a guy like VK in his ideal top 9 2-3 years from now. And I wonder if VK is aware of this. That said, we have seen too many players over the years prove their worth and become keepers for various teams. Unfortunately, working against VK are the many tough playoff opponents in our future that feature a heavy physical lineup.
 
Carpenter has been outplaying him in Hartford.
Carpenter has more offense. But their games are different. Rhydal’s biggest issue has been health. He’s been in and out of the lineup with injuries all year. If he could have stayed healthy he likely may have gotten a cup of coffee by now. The coaches do seem to love him. But the thing with Rhydal. His game and role is the same at every level. Whereas Carp plays a far more offensive style in the A than in the NHL.

The thing that Jake L does is win face offs, always stays in the right side of the puck and uses speed to get to his next defensive spot. He’s actually a very mediocre forechecker for a fourth liner.
 
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I agree as I’m one to throw Chytil in on suggestions but he’s on a roll

I think Kravtsov is different as he can boot to Russia again if not happy . I’d move him now

Cuylee and Othmaan are replacements soon
His point wasn’t about Kravtsov- it was that the Rangers do develop forwards but in order to see it you need patience as is / was case with Chytil, Kakko, Buchnevich recently too before them.
 
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His point wasn’t about Kravtsov- it was that the Rangers do develop forwards but in order to see it you need patience as is / was case with Chytil, Kakko, Buchnevich recently too before them.

I agree I just don’t want to wait for Kravtsov
Some assets you move before it’s too late
 
it’s more that he will want out of NY given the history. He wants to play in the NHL and not sit on the bench. I don’t see him getting back in consistently barring injury

Lias got a 2nd and it’s turned into Cuylee

Still think Kravtsov has that value now and a team like AZ, ANH, SJ is a fit
The Rangers should sign Kravtsov to another 1 year contract worth $875,000. Drury has shown he is not giving a player away for nothing. Kravtsov has to stay healthy. He couldn’t stay healthy. He did nothing when he had an opportunity to play.
 
I agree I just don’t want to wait for Kravtsov
Some assets you move before it’s too late

Kravtsov’s curve has been closer to Andersson than Laf/Chytil/Kakko who are showing real progress at a younger age. Cuylle/Othmann will give the Rangers more of the style they need. I think Kravy’s days are numbered and the Blues are perfect place for him. Western Conference team we can root for on the side
 
The Rangers should sign Kravtsov to another 1 year contract worth $875,000. Drury has shown he is not giving a player away for nothing. Kravtsov has to stay healthy. He couldn’t stay healthy. He did nothing when he had an opportunity to play.

He should do this regardless. Kravy can show teams he’s committed to the NHL and increases his trade value.

I'll take that problem of having 3 centers capable of playing in the top 2 slots. That's a problem the Rangers haven't had and might never have had.

Best center depth we’ve had since the 90s
 
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Kravtsov’s curve has been closer to Andersson than Laf/Chytil/Kakko who are showing real progress at a younger age. Cuylle/Othmann will give the Rangers more of the style they need. I think Kravy’s days are numbered and the Blues are perfect place for him. Western Conference team we can root for on the side

Meh - they've also had more of an opportunity and the competition on wing on this team is pretty fierce. Andersson, were he capable, would've been an instant fit as a 3C but...he...sucked and had a bad attitude to boot. 3 years removed from his NYR stint, he's still not an NHL'er despite whatever might've been in his head.

Kravtsov will figure it out IMHO, but it might need to be somewhere else unfortunately.
 
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