Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Boris Zubov]

Yeah I like Berard but everyone cant be untouchable. I'm not sure what Brett's offensive upside truly is but Sykora strikes me as a similar player. If we keep both firsts and our younger forwards, which seems to be the plan, there's not a ton of future roster space going forward. Certainly not giving anyone away though.

Makes one scratch their head & realize how barren our prospect pool actually is. Less than 2 years ago we were ranked #1 by the Athletic. Now there's not too many guys who look like sure-fire NHLers.

 

[Avery16]

Leaving for the money? Copp was a deadline acquisition, not someone we’d spent years developing. He hit ufa for the first time in his career and actually got to choose where to play, and chose to go home.
We benefit from players choosing to play in nyc all the time, for once it doesn’t work the way we want, even though he was a big part of our run, and people are hinting at him being mercenary.

We might not have spent years developing Copp, but we set our program development back years in acquiring him- one recent first, a first and a second (plus next year's 5th). We will feel that in the cap era and the juice wasn't worth that squeeze.

 

[McRanger92]

Makes one scratch their head & realize how barren our prospect pool actually is. Less than 2 years ago we were ranked #1 by the Athletic. Now there's not too many guys who look like sure-fire NHLers.

The amount of u24 talent on the roster mitigates it no? A very young roster with some interesting pieces on the door step (Othmann/Robertson/Garand) and 2 firsts in the 23 draft it appears the team would like to hold on to. Im pretty pleased with where we are organizationally. They should be able to firm up the edges of the roster at the trade deadline with secondary picks and prospects.

 

[cheech70]

The amount of u24 talent on the roster mitigates it no? A very young roster with some interesting pieces on the door step (Othmann/Robertson/Garand) and 2 firsts in the 23 draft it appears the team would like to hold on to. Im pretty pleased with where we are organizationally. They should be able to firm up the edges of the roster at the trade deadline with secondary picks and prospects.

And then as this 3 year window closes and 10,8 and 20 can be moved we load up again with unrestricted free agents..#1 on that list= Austin

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Reading Staples article this morning, it’s obvious that no one knows what Drury is thinking lol

Same names getting thrown around constantly

I think Jones is probably trade bait at the deadline. I hope they stick to small depth type deals as opposed to the big swing. But I think Daddy Dolan is going to have a lot of say on what Drury does

 

[McRanger92]

And then as this 3 year window closes and 10,8 and 20 can be moved we load up again with unrestricted free agents..#1 on that list= Austin

Connor*

 

[LORDE]

What’s the difference between this years team and last years pre-deadline? If anything we are more well rounded and not getting historically good goaltending. I don’t want to trade any firsts but this seems dramatic.

I didn’t think last years squad was anything special so maybe that question is a lil off

I’ve seen cup winners and I’ve certainly seen PRETENDERS

Last season was Definitely the latter but folks here cite it as a reason to go go go

Laughable

 

[McRanger92]

Reading Staples article this morning, it’s obvious that no one knows what Drury is thinking lol

Same names getting thrown around constantly

I think Jones is probably trade bait at the deadline. I hope they stick to small depth type deals as opposed to the big swing. But I think Daddy Dolan is going to have a lot of say on what Drury does

Why do you think this? Dolan has not meddled in Rangers affairs since he canned Gorton & JD 2 years ago, which was warranted. Its not like they went nuts at last year's deadline. The big names are always linked to the Rangers by the Canadian media but it hasnt come to fruition in a very long time. I dont think Dolan is paying too close attention unless hes actually in attendance watching the game.

 

[McRanger92]

I didn’t think last years squad was anything special so maybe that question is a lil off

I’ve seen cup winners and I’ve certainly seen PRETENDERS

Last season was Definitely the latter but folks here cite it as a reason to go go go

Laughable

Again, who is saying this? The vast majority on the board are in agreement that we shouldnt be trading firsts or top prospects, especially for Kane.

Its fascinating to me that so much faith has been lost in the team from a bad start, that still has us in a playoff spot for what its worth. Gallant will be the biggest thing holding the team back and they need Panarin to take a few hits of the Russian gas, but theres no reason why this roster cant win a Cup, especially with some depth adds like last year.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

does dolan ever watch the games? i heard he was literally some rock star wannabe.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why do you think this? Dolan has not meddled in Rangers affairs since he canned Gorton & JD 2 years ago, which was warranted. Its not like they went nuts at last year's deadline. The big names are always linked to the Rangers by the Canadian media but it hasnt come to fruition in a very long time. I dont think Dolan is paying too close attention unless hes actually in attendance watching the game.

Pundits said earlier in the season that there’s no buffer between Drury and Dolan (aka Sather) and that Drury has Dolan looking over his shoulder, which is going influence his moves.

Dolan might not follow the team day to day but he knows they made the ECF last year and has a taste of success. Plus he’s a meddling owner who likes a name/stars

You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think there’s a decent chance Dolan has major influence over what happens come TDL

The recipe is all there. It’d be different if Sather was the middleman to combat the meddling but it appears he’s not really doing that these days.

 

[McRanger92]

Pundits said earlier in the season that there’s no buffer between Drury and Dolan (aka Sather) and that Drury has Dolan looking over his shoulder, which is going influence his moves.

Dolan might not follow the team day to day but he knows they made the ECF last year and has a taste of success. Plus he’s a meddling owner who likes a name/stars

You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think there’s a decent chance Dolan has major influence over what happens come TDL

The recipe is all there. It’d be different if Sather was the middleman to combat the meddling but it appears he’s not really doing that these days.

Why would it be different with Sather as a buffer lol? He has been blamed for every shortcoming the Rangers have had the last 20 years. I have no love for Dolan or Sather but the Rangers org has operated the same way for many years, I dont see why this year would be any different. If anything id think the powers that be would trust Drury because of how he nailed the TDL last year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

We might not have spent years developing Copp, but we set our program development back years in acquiring him- one recent first, a first and a second (plus next year's 5th). We will feel that in the cap era and the juice wasn't worth that squeeze.

Years? We gave up a first and a second.
That’s one draft, and we still had a 2nd in this draft, we also made the ECF.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why would it be different with Sather as a buffer lol? He has been blamed for every shortcoming the Rangers have had the last 20 years. I have no love for Dolan or Sather but the Rangers org has operated the same way for many years, I dont see why this year would be any different. If anything id think the powers that be would trust Drury because of how he nailed the TDL last year.

The Rangers have operated the way they have for 20 years because Sather and Davidson to some extent were the buffer between the day to day and Dolan being like every other meddlesome owner.

This isn’t new information, it’s always been like this lol

That buffer is seemingly gone, so now Drury has an inpatient owner looking over his shoulder whilst making moves, and no fallback of someone like Sather intervening so JD and the Straight Shots aren’t pulling the strings on important day to day hockey decisions

Again, this is how the team has been run the better part of two decades.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers have operated the way they have for 20 years because Sather and Davidson to some extent were the buffer between the day to day and Dolan being like every other meddlesome owner.

This isn’t new information, it’s always been like this lol

That buffer is seemingly gone, so now Drury has an inpatient owner looking over his shoulder whilst making moves, and no fallback of someone like Sather intervening so JD and the Straight Shots aren’t pulling the strings on important day to day hockey decisions

Again, this is how the team has been run the better part of two decades.

Sather was trading 1sts for has-beens for Lundqvist's entire tenure before he faded into the background when the Letter went out, and Davidson f***ed with the rebuild by signing Panarin & Trouba more than Dolan ever couldve dreamed. If anything we should be happy there's no buffer.

Im sorry I just dont buy that Jim Dolan is some boogeyman coming to destroy the Rangers future. Its not like the team isn't on track to make the playoffs, we havent even played our best hockey yet. People need to take a chill pill with the state of the team, you'd think we were in last place.

 

[RangerBoy]

If this were a case of trading team and need, the Rangers would likely pass if they had to make a call on Kane this week. Kane is still an elite player who can distribute with the best of them — he ranks 25th in the league with 11.45 expected assists so far this season (courtesy of Clear Sight Hockey). But the Rangers have three players ranked higher: Panarin, Adam Fox and Mika Zibanejad. So they’re pretty good in the passing department already.

And Kane’s arrival would necessitate a power-play reconfiguration for a Rangers team that’s barely altered its top power-play unit in two years. The Rangers’ power play has scuffled this season and sits 15th in the league right now, so it could use a jolt, but another pass-first presence? Maybe not so necessary.

Now, as one team executive noted, Kane could simply tell Hawks GM Kyle Davidson he only wants to be a Ranger. If that happens and Drury can get Kane for nothing more than, say, what the Bruins gave the Sabres for Taylor Hall two years ago (a second-rounder and a middling prospect), plus the Hawks retain 50 percent of Kane’s cap hit, then you probably make that deal and sort out the pieces after.

2nd round pick and Anders Bjork.

There aren’t a ton of other big-cap-hit, big-impact players currently on offer. Blues captain Ryan O’Reilly has the sort of hard-edged skill playoff teams covet but he’s out six weeks at minimum with a broken foot, meaning his trade market might only materialize on deadline day. Bo Horvat could still extend in Vancouver but even if he does not, his trade market will be intense and the Rangers don’t really have the assets to compete at that high a level, nor the cap space to try and sign Horvat if they did acquire him somehow.

Arthur reads this thread.

Staple brought Motte as a possibility.

Drury will look for a D. Staple brought up Beaulieu for a late round pick. Kulikov. Braun. Drury would prefer a LD.

Vladislav Gavrikov is likely this year’s Ben Chiarot/David Savard: A solid defender for whom someone will overpay to rent before the deadline. The 27-year-old lefty and pending UFA is almost certainly going to be moved by Columbus and end up with a big payday next summer. The Rangers don’t need that kind of long-term add and, if the cost is the same as Savard/Chiarot (a first-rounder plus another mid-round pick), it’s hard to see Drury pulling the trigger unless there’s an injury issue on the left side.

Staple brought Erne as a possibility.

If you were taking bets on which young Ranger forward was the odd man out before the season began, Kaapo Kakko was likely at the top of the list. Now, Kakko is playing well on the top line, so it would be a shock if he were moved for the likes of Kane or anyone else.

Alexis Lafrenière’s name leapt into the rumor mill with his one-game scratch last week but there’s zero chance the Rangers move him now, when his value is low. Vitali Kravtsov is getting regular middle-six minutes, so he’d also be a surprise to be moved.

If the Rangers go for smaller fish like Motte, Erne or someone similar, the odd man out of the lineup is likely Sammy Blais — and he might end up on the trade market, with a $1.525 million cap hit that could be put to better use. Blais still has zero goals as a Ranger since he came over from the Blues, and his 2022-23 season has been unremarkable in every way.

Among the Rangers prospects, Brennan Othmann is almost certainly off limits, particularly in any deal for a rental. Matthew Robertson probably is as well, along with goalie prospect Dylan Garand. Drury navigated four deadline deals last spring and gave up only Morgan Barron from the organizational depth chart, so his preference may be again to hold onto as many of his prospects as possible and just deal from the draft-pick pool.

What we’re hearing about the Rangers two months from the trade deadline

What can we expect to happen with the Rangers this trade season?

theathletic.com

 

[Avery16]

Years? We gave up a first and a second.
That’s one draft, and we still had a 2nd in this draft, we also made the ECF.

Wrong.

Do you really think that giving up a 1st 2nd and 5th that we could develop and a pick that we had developed doesn’t have a noticeable effect on our program development?

 

[LORDE]

Again, who is saying this? The vast majority on the board are in agreement that we shouldnt be trading firsts or top prospects, especially for Kane.

Its fascinating to me that so much faith has been lost in the team from a bad start, that still has us in a playoff spot for what its worth. Gallant will be the biggest thing holding the team back and they need Panarin to take a few hits of the Russian gas, but theres no reason why this roster cant win a Cup, especially with some depth adds like last year.

Ohhhhhright GALLANT

He’s the reasons we blow chunks

Man if only we could’ve have Sullivan or Torts lol

These players are sep entities and as such are not a part of a winning team

They’re solo

 

[bhamill]

Again, who is saying this? The vast majority on the board are in agreement that we shouldnt be trading firsts or top prospects, especially for Kane.

Its fascinating to me that so much faith has been lost in the team from a bad start, that still has us in a playoff spot for what its worth. Gallant will be the biggest thing holding the team back and they need Panarin to take a few hits of the Russian gas, but theres no reason why this roster cant win a Cup, especially with some depth adds like last year.

Yeah, I mean it's not an impossibility, though personally I'd say it's improbable that we win it this year. Pretty confident this team gets into the playoffs, and then who knows what happens? Especially with a goalie like Shesty, a couple of all world players, and some young guys who shone in the playoffs last year and are improving as we speak. So yeah, IMO, depth adds are worth it depending what we give up: no firsts or top flight prospects. Because you NEVER know.

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah, I mean it's not an impossibility, though personally I'd say it's improbable that we win it this year. Pretty confident this team gets into the playoffs, and then who knows what happens? Especially with a goalie like Shesty, a couple of all world players, and some young guys who shone in the playoffs last year and are improving as we speak. So yeah, IMO, depth adds are worth it depending what we give up: no firsts or top flight prospects. Because you NEVER know.

Winning a Cup will never be probable. Just get in every year and take it game by game. The roster is better now then it ever was with Lundqvist

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[McRanger92]

Isnt this guy good? Is there something non-hockey related going on with him?

 

[Raspewtin]

Isnt this guy good? Is there something non-hockey related going on with him?

There has to be. This is an automatic claim IMO for almost any team. Have no idea what the story is here.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Isnt this guy good? Is there something non-hockey related going on with him?

Thought he was in the substance abuse program or something

 

[RangersFan1994]

Ryan Merkley to NYR for depth for Hartford





could be a low risk move