Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[eco's bones]

Don't think Jones is a guy that right now I'd like to take into the playoffs. As for Hajek or Harper maybe if they were the 7D. It's a position that if we're in I think we're going to need to upgrade.

 

[GAGLine]

He's a big change of scenery guy. Been stuck on a bad ducks team and it's clearly not working.

I don't think it would take that much honestly. I wouldn't move Jones cause you do need defensive depth and he can take regular NHL shifts.

Blais out for salary is definite, and I think a 2nd might just get it done.

Even if the cost is reasonable, Comtois is a pending RFA with a 2.445 mil QO. We can't afford that.

 

[smoneil]

The position of most here that no one is worth trading a first for is insane. Again, some here would rather die with assets than try for a cup. You guys do realize we only have like a 3 year window here right?

Not only do I not "realize we only have like a 3 year window here," I actively reject the line of thought altogether. Consider:

The team has:

-Both of its top two centers--each 29 years old--locked up. The 23 year old center who has been playing like a top 6 guy, is still an RFA.

-The team has a pair of older LWs (31 year olds Panarin and Kreider), but 31 isn't that old, and even if those guys DO fall off, Laf and Othmann are right there to move into the gap (to say nothing of the cap space that would be available when Bread/Kreids are gone).

-Not only does the team have an excellent 4th line, but as guys like Cuylle, Berard and co ascend, that 4th line will likely improve AND become cheaper on the cap.

-The defense's oldest player is 28 years old. The next youngest player is 24. And there are more highly regarded young defensemen in the system.

-Even at Goalie, we have Garand behind Shesterkin.

The cap is going to be a bit tight this offseason, but it is then set to rise, and the team has most of its core locked up for years.

As long as they don't do anything remarkably stupid (like trading away major assets in a deep draft for a pure rental), there's no reason they shouldn't have a window extending well beyond 3 years.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Speaking of young players that might be moved, I wonder if the Red Wings will consider moving Michael Rasuessen. He would be an upgrade on the Rangers bottom 6. RFA in 24-25, 1.46 cap hit. Only 23 years old. Another Brian Boyle type of center.

Rasmussen for 1st?

 

[UnSandvich]

Speaking of young players that might be moved, I wonder if the Red Wings will consider moving Michael Rasuessen. He would be an upgrade on the Rangers bottom 6. RFA in 24-25, 1.46 cap hit. Only 23 years old. Another Brian Boyle type of center.

Rasmussen for 1st?

No. Stop suggesting trading our 1sts for players who don't help the team in a meaningful way.

 

[QJL]

Patrick Kane had 92 points on a garbage team last year. The guy is a certified hall of famer who can absolutely still game.

The poorer Kane plays this season, the lower the cost will be, and the more we should be interested in trading for him. I have no doubt Kane on the Rangers would show up markedly better than the Kane in Chicago right now. If he was producing at his normal rate, I don’t think the price would be worth it.

Kane is becoming MORE of an option for us. I think he’ll be a Ranger come March.

 

[duhmetreE]

Patrick Kane had 92 points on a garbage team last year. The guy is a certified hall of famer who can absolutely still game.

The poorer Kane plays this season, the lower the cost will be, and the more we should be interested in trading for him. I have no doubt Kane on the Rangers would show up markedly better than the Kane in Chicago right now. If he was producing at his normal rate, I don’t think the price would be worth it.

Kane is becoming MORE of an option for us.

Unless he's coming for Hajek and a 2nd... it will be a disaster

I'd rather pay the similar price for RO'R.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Rangers forwards with a lower 5v5 sh% than Patrick Kane this season (4.11%)

1. Sammy Blais 0.00%
2. Ryan Reaves 0.00%

The NHL is the only sport where low percentage of success is seen as a good thing.

 

[tlk]

Not only do I not "realize we only have like a 3 year window here," I actively reject the line of thought altogether. Consider:

The team has:

-Both of its top two centers--each 29 years old--locked up. The 23 year old center who has been playing like a top 6 guy, is still an RFA.

-The team has a pair of older LWs (31 year olds Panarin and Kreider), but 31 isn't that old, and even if those guys DO fall off, Laf and Othmann are right there to move into the gap (to say nothing of the cap space that would be available when Bread/Kreids are gone).

-Not only does the team have an excellent 4th line, but as guys like Cuylle, Berard and co ascend, that 4th line will likely improve AND become cheaper on the cap.

-The defense's oldest player is 28 years old. The next youngest player is 24. And there are more highly regarded young defensemen in the system.

-Even at Goalie, we have Garand behind Shesterkin.

The cap is going to be a bit tight this offseason, but it is then set to rise, and the team has most of its core locked up for years.

As long as they don't do anything remarkably stupid (like trading away major assets in a deep draft for a pure rental), there's no reason they shouldn't have a window extending well beyond 3 years.

What I'm hearing, Othmann is nowhere near to be looking as a future Panarin or even Kreids replacement rn.
You are prepared to do away with our current core way too casually.

 

[Avery16]

Speaking of young players that might be moved, I wonder if the Red Wings will consider moving Michael Rasuessen. He would be an upgrade on the Rangers bottom 6. RFA in 24-25, 1.46 cap hit. Only 23 years old. Another Brian Boyle type of center.

Rasmussen for 1st?

You don’t aim to draft bottom-six types in the first round, so I’m not sure why we’d look to trade a future 1st for someone who’s peaking as a bottom-sixer, especially since our F needs are top-six.

 

[smoneil]

What I'm hearing, Othmann is nowhere near to be looking as a future Panarin or even Kreids replacement rn.
You are prepared to do away with our current core way too casually.

Not sure who you're hearing that from, but also, he doesn't have to be a Panarin or Kreider clone. He just needs to be a top 6 LW once those two guys start to age out. I'm not "prepared to do away with our current core way too casually." They should be trying to win a Cup this year.

What I'm saying is that bad teams go "all in" to try and get one cup (and it almost always ends without that team even GETTING a Cup). Good teams keep the talent coming through the pipeline, slowly replenishing from within the system when top players start to age out. So I'm not saying "don't try to win a Cup this year." I'm saying "don't try to win a Cup ONLY this year." I want a team whose "window" will be open for 10+ years.

 

[RangersFan1994]

You don’t aim to draft bottom-six types in the first round, so I’m not sure why we’d look to trade a future 1st for someone who’s peaking as a bottom-sixer, especially since our F needs are top-six.

I really don’t want to go into the playoffs having to rely on Gautier Carpenter Brodzinski Blais on the team. So I guess you dont want to upgrade the bottom 6. Outside of Goodrow they are not that good. Rather give Cuylle or Rydahl a shot to improve the bottom 6

 

[mrmovies779]

I really don’t want to go into the playoffs having to rely on Gautier Carpenter Brodzinski Blais on the team. So I guess you dont want to upgrade the bottom 6. Outside of Goodrow they are not that good. Rather give Cuylle or Rydahl a shot to improve the bottom 6

You don't upgrade a bottom 6 by trading away 1st round picks.That's just terrible asset management

 

[SA16]

The NHL is the only sport where low percentage of success is seen as a good thing.

I wouldn’t say that at all. A low BABIP in baseball is the exact same concept.

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers should hang on to both 1st and their 2nd as well. If anything at the draft depending on where we and the Dallas 1st sits try to move up or try to turn one of the 1st's (if it's a late pick) into two 2nd's. Right now we have 3 out of the top 62----having 4 is okay too. Also in the first outlined scenario---moving up and getting a player you really want.

I was looking at the Devils yesterday on Cap Friendly and they've been piling up the prospects. It's not just Jack Hughes, Hischier and Mercer. There are a slew of others and even with pretty much a vet defense they've got a lot of kids coming along. So we're not the only team in the metro that's thinking long term. As a matter of fact IMO Brooks' Kane proposals work just as well for the Devils as they do the Rangers if the Devils are going to the playoffs. The Blackhawks can get as much--maybe more from New Jersey as they get from us....and have at it AFAIC.

 

[Circus86]

The Rangers should hang on to both 1st and their 2nd as well. If anything at the draft depending on where we and the Dallas 1st sits try to move up or try to turn one of the 1st's (if it's a late pick) into two 2nd's. Right now we have 3 out of the top 62----having 4 is okay too. Also in the first outlined scenario---moving up and getting a player you really want.

I was looking at the Devils yesterday on Cap Friendly and they've been piling up the prospects. It's not just Jack Hughes, Hischier and Mercer. There are a slew of others and even with pretty much a vet defense they've got a lot of kids coming along. So we're not the only team in the metro that's thinking long term. As a matter of fact IMO Brooks' Kane proposals work just as well for the Devils as they do the Rangers if the Devils are going to the playoffs. The Blackhawks can get as much--maybe more from New Jersey as they get from us....and have at it AFAIC.

I would keep both first rounders too, but somehow I have the feeling that Drury is going to trade at least one of those away before the TDL.

 

[leetch99]

Keep the kids.....trading them away for a quick fix has not worked very well in the last 81 years . One cup to show for it . LOL.....common sense says patience people patience ! Grab a cheap LD or 2 with a couple of past the 3rd rd picks and go to war with what we have . I would not mind a cheap C or RW piece but only if cheap .

 

[bhamill]

70+ goals in his rookie year Teemu?

Salanne’s rookie year was a freak occurrence. He was already older than Laf is now and it took him another 5 years to break 30 goals again (in seasons that were somewhat shortened). He never came close to his rookie year totals for the rest of his career. Though he had 51 and 52 goal seasons. He wa a great player of course but his rookie year was a huge fluke.

 

[Barnaby]

Salanne’s rookie year was a freak occurrence. He was already older than Laf is now and it took him another 5 years to break 30 goals again (in seasons that were somewhat shortened). He never came close to his rookie year totals for the rest of his career. Though he had 51 and 52 goal seasons. He wa a great player of course but his rookie year was a huge fluke.

You don't 'fluke' your way into 76 goals and 132 points. Granted, that was a different era of hockey, but Kakko has a loooong way to go before he can get mentioned in that kind of company. Let's at least see him break 20 goals and 50 points first.

Another 5 years, but Teemu Selanne was also playing partial season and putting up .5 goals per game. Yes, goals, not points.

 

[haohmaru]

Salanne’s rookie year was a freak occurrence. He was already older than Laf is now and it took him another 5 years to break 30 goals again (in seasons that were somewhat shortened). He never came close to his rookie year totals for the rest of his career. Though he had 51 and 52 goal seasons. He wa a great player of course but his rookie year was a huge fluke.

We need to take a step back and stop looking at either Kakko or LaFreniere with HOF'er comparables for the foreseeable future.

 

[bhamill]

You don't 'fluke' your way into 76 goals and 132 points. Granted, that was a different era of hockey, but Kakko has a loooong way to go before he can get mentioned in that kind of company. Let's at least see him break 20 goals and 50 points first.

Hahaha. Yes, scoring 24 goals more in your rookie season than you ever will again in your career is a fluke. It is pretty much the definition of a fluke. If you average his goals per year for his career it’s about half the amount of his rookie year. Fluke. He scored 25 in 52 games the next year, 22 in 45 games the next and the year after that 25 in 51. These are all great numbers, but obviously 76 goals was a fluke.
I wasn’t comparing Kakko to him, that was someone else. I was just putting Salanne’s rookie campaign in perspective. Because it was a giant fluke.

 

[bhamill]

We need to take a step back and stop looking at either Kakko or LaFreniere with HOF'er comparables for the foreseeable future.

I wasn’t comparing Kakko to him, that was someone else. I was just putting Salanne’s rookie campaign in perspective. Because it was a giant fluke.

 

[Avery16]

If we trade either of our firsts (and I’m not advocating we should) at a minimum we need to be sure it’s the Anderson pick that we deal away and not the Chytil pick.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If we trade either of our firsts (and I’m not advocating we should) at a minimum we need to be sure it’s the Anderson pick that we deal away and not the Chytil pick.

The stars are not the coyotes. Its looking like both picks will be in the 20's.

 

[GAGLine]

The Rangers should hang on to both 1st and their 2nd as well. If anything at the draft depending on where we and the Dallas 1st sits try to move up or try to turn one of the 1st's (if it's a late pick) into two 2nd's. Right now we have 3 out of the top 62----having 4 is okay too. Also in the first outlined scenario---moving up and getting a player you really want.

I was looking at the Devils yesterday on Cap Friendly and they've been piling up the prospects. It's not just Jack Hughes, Hischier and Mercer. There are a slew of others and even with pretty much a vet defense they've got a lot of kids coming along. So we're not the only team in the metro that's thinking long term. As a matter of fact IMO Brooks' Kane proposals work just as well for the Devils as they do the Rangers if the Devils are going to the playoffs. The Blackhawks can get as much--maybe more from New Jersey as they get from us....and have at it AFAIC.

To be fair though, the devils have been stockpiling picks and prospects for 10+ years. There was a whole lot of bad before they started to get it right, and most of their success has come in the more recent drafts.

Since the 2011 draft, they have won the lottery 4 times, with 3 of those wins coming since 2017. In 2011 they went from 8th to 4th and took Larsson. In 2017, they went form 5th to 1st and took Hischier. In 2019 they went from 3rd to 1st and took Hughes. And in 2022 they went from 5th to 2nd and took Nemec.

Even outside of their lottery wins, they have sucked enough to get top 10 picks in Luke Hughes (4th overall in 2021), Holtz (7th overall in 2020) and Zacha (6th overall in 2015). And in 2013, they would have picked 9th overall, but traded the pick for Corey Schneider. That's a total of 8 top 10 picks in the past 12 drafts, 7 of which they used.

We have had our share of luck, and squandered a good bit of it ourselves, but no team outside of Edmonton has had the kind of draft luck that the devils have had since 2017. 6 drafts, 3 lottery wins, 4 top 5 picks. They've hit on some later round picks as well, but it's almost impossible to not have a strong prospect pool with that kind of draft capital.