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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted
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I never said 3m long term. I only mentioned 6x6 or 7x7. But some people did mention 3x3… no way he is taking that little for 3 years.
If he takes 3m it is for 1 year or 2 just so he goes UFA at the end and then his agent really forces our hand. In all honesty he is the perfect candidate for a team to poach from us bc we are cap screwed. We dont have as much leverage with him as people think, especially if he keeps producing.
You are probably right that he is about 4.5mish now maybe more like 5.
Also i did say that it would take finagling on the cap as well as seeing how much the cap goes up. If 1m obviously not, if we do get a 3 or 4m bump than its doable, but still hard.
Laff will get bridged and miller will get bridged too. Though truthfully miller is an ideal candidate to go long term with too. Because is already looking at a 4m ish bridge contract. Laff while I would love to go term with, probably would never sign term yet bc he hasn’t put up the stats that he should.
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Cash in the Laf chip on a player who we don't need and doesn't fit a reasonable cap structure! Stay cised!
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I agree. I don’t see how Kane makes sense for a cap strapped team who will need to retain its young talent to field a complete hockey team next year and for years to come. If we trade away young assets that will come into their own in the next 2 years, we are potentially mortgaging that longer window for this year. I just don’t know how realistic or wise that is. The only caveat? If NYR management has come to the conclusion that we can’t afford to pay all of the young core next season and one player just has to go due to cap concerns, then I suppose moving one for a shot at a ring this season could maybe make some sense if we are playing well enough at deadline. But there are other assets one could look to acquire if we have to move a younger core piece leading up to 23-24 that could be far more helpful than investing in a pure rental.
It also sounds like Chicago wants or needs to hit a home run on a Kane trade yet it’s only he’s only a rental. Giving up major young assets for pure a rental is a cap era mismanagement. It Just seems so short sighted, even if Kane was at the top of his game. I dont get it. I don’t even know that Kane meaningfully moves us closer to a ring. He seems like a cynical revenue grab.
As for other forward options, team needs speed up front. N/S guy that hunts pucks, drives the crease, plays the body and can legit chip in offensively. Someone who helps our overall style of play 5v5. Likely having another forward capable of playing center would be really helpful too given Chytil’s recent issues. I guess I kinda want a second trocheck with a bit more size. But I think I’m describing a mythical power forward with wheels that doesn’t or won’t exist in the rental market. I love ROR but I don’t think he has much in the wheels dept. Still he’d be interesting I suppose at right price cause he’s a bonafide winner.
Ultimately, with rentals, I think we need to be honest about where we are relative to the rest of the league approaching the deadline. What are our chances this year? Plain and simple are we playing at a level (and coaching) to survive the first 3 rounds and then face Colorado (if they get healthy)? Right now, I’d say we are def not there yet. We need to become resilient and consistent. A lot of questions we came into the season with are still very much so lingering despite the recent success.
Getting through 16 wins isn’t just about talent, it’s about being able to survive the war of attrition. That means depth. It means a solid trust between players, It’s about having a team that comes in waves at opposition. It means your top guys stepping up and battling through the brutality. Are we built for that? A question. Not an answer.
And yes we need a D too.
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Kaapo Kakko’s ability to rebound from adversity paying Rangers dividends
Regarding the Rangers, who have produced a festival of highlights leading into the holiday recess.
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How many times did Brooks bring up offer sheets and Kakko?
Tage Thompson found his game at 24. He is one of the best forwards in the NHL right now.
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Oh man, I still have no clue what their ceilings are... but the progress has been undeniable. I honestly can't remember the last player we had pull late game heroics against the isles... it's been rare since the isles have been 'good'.
I still live on planet 'Sky is the limit' when it comes to these two. Zero-ish PP time. Pretty low overall minutes..
And then fu*king Key.. being better than he ever looked in college, just, wow.
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Yup - same exact comparison I made a few days ago.
Kakko and LaFreniere are very young men and commodities the Rangers are rarely in a position to draft. They need to be P-A-T-I-E-N-T to the nth degree and not pull the trigger on some shitty deal and then watch these players tear up the league in a few years. They've got elite forwards to take absorb any performance pressures and don't need them to be THE guy(s) right now. Patience.
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They're not late bloomers. They're 21 years old. They're producing right now despite basically no meaningful special teams time, and on most nights barely any meaningful ATOI at all. We both have been saying this now for months. If they were on PP1 they'd be 3rd and 4th in points on the team right now maybe higher.
Look who's above them in points on the team, it's all the guys on PP1 and somehow Goodrow because he's being force-fed minutes lately. But what stands out is the disparity between Laf, Kakko, and Chytil and those guys is all PP points. Trocheck is exhibit A, he has 12 PP points. 7 of his goals are PP goals. Take those away. Laf has more EV points. You're telling me Laf couldn't put up those PP points? Kreider has 9 PP points. Laf and Kreider have the same amount of EV points. Panarin has 24 EV points that's only 7 more than Laf. Laf only has 3 less EV points than Zibanejad.
In spite of Gallant's blatant disregard for developing these kids and the spotty inconsistent playing time, they're producing at a rate about equal to the "leaders" of the team.
They're not late bloomers. They've bloomed. They're just actively being held back. It's incredibly hard as a player to get into a rhythm and demand that every play of every shift be impactful while sitting for long stretches of the game and getting tossed around the lineup and benched every time they make a mistake. In spite of Gallant's dumb flat head the kids are actually having very productive seasons that people just want to ignore because they're not 30 goal scorers while getting only 12-14 minutes most nights.
Chicago will eat 50 and take a Blais if they had too
Rangers don’t have too get Kane but they need a RW
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This board as a whole was unbearable as recently as a year ago predominantly “concerned” about our 1st and 2nd OA being busts and / or blaming organization for mishandling prospects development.
NYRHFB where they love prospects as 19 yo and hate them as 21 yo because of inability to grasp that most players come into their own around 24-26 (that requires patience) and only seek instant gratification.
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Thats how it should be.
If I'm letting a player walk for nothing, I don't want to have to pay for that privilege
How are they going to sign him long term ?
Stuck with rentals only
I could see Grier and Drury doing a Bonino or Nieto deal
Panarin , Zib, RW for Kravtsov, picks
Kreider , Trotchek , Vesey
Laf , Chytil , Kakko
Nieto , Bonino , Goodrow
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He’s RFA so would have to trade him later
The caps too tight they’d get less back
It says here he is a UFA after this season.
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NopeIt says here he is a UFA after this season.
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You keep harping on this but what’s their 5v5 time? Kakko 3rd, Laf 4th (ahead of Mika and CK) and Chytil 9th (he missed 8 games). All even strength situations they’re 4th Kakko, 5th Laf and 9th Chytil.
They’re not going to be spoon feed PP time and no other coach would with the current unit we have. So that leaves the PK, which they occasionally get into the rotation but I’d assume you’d complain about that bc they’re supposed to be scorers and it’s a cheap way to inflate their ice time numbers.
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Meier has a 6 mil cap hit. We are projected to have just over 7 mil in cap space at the deadline. We'd need SJ to eat half if we want to be able to add anyone else. Meier is also a pending RFA with a 10 mil QO. We can't possibly afford to re-sign him, but the fact that he is a RFA rather than UFA will drive up the cost to acquire him.
Meier is also a guy who gets lots of PP time. Half of his goals have come on the PP. He won't get PP time with the Rangers. Why pay for something we don't need?
We need to stop shopping for Ferraris and start looking at the economy class options. We need to look at the guys who are less expensive to acquire, yet who can produce at even strength. Guys like Gustav Nyquist.
He has 16 points in 33 games, but those points have all come at even strength. The year before, he had 53 points in 82 games, with 39 points at even strength and 4 goals scored on the PK. He has a 5.5 mil cap hit, so we'll need Columbus to retain, but the cost to acquire him will be much lower than for players like Kane or Meier. We can play him at either wing, on any line, and on the PK.
Another option we might look at is Christian Fischer. He's a pending RFA, but probably won't cost that much. 12 points in 32 games, 11 at even strength and 1 on PK. His rookie year was his best, with 33 points in 79 games. Since then he has been pretty underwhelming, but he has size, can chip in some points, and can play the PK. On a team with more offensive weapons, he might flourish.
Goodrow had a career year with us last year and is on pace for even more points this year. Both Copp and Vatrano scored more with us than they did with their prior teams. Maybe one of Nyquist or Fischer can do the same. Whether it's one of them, or someone else, those are the types of players we should be looking for.
If they found a way to fit him that would be incredible to have hime for 2 runs. doubt it works. Not sure why the two sites conflictNope
fair enough. what do you think Nyqvist would cost?
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We wouldn't have him for 2 runs because he needs a new contract this summer and we can't afford it. The cost to acquire him will be way too high for the actual value we will get from him.
Oh, and always go to CapFriendly. They occasionally make mistakes too, but they are the best option out there by far.
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