Irishguy42
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based on that, Rangers should trade for every future player so they don’t score their 1st NHL goal or 1st NHL point against the Rangers
Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?
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this plan does not feel like an upgrade to me
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I didn't mean it like that and I don't mean to pigeon-hole Chytil, or any player, to just comparing them to guys from the same country. I just feel about Chytil the same way I felt about Hertl when he was younger. Chytil's game reminds me of that.
Hertl often didn't use his size effectively(or perhaps didn't yet realize how much stronger he really was) and would often try to beat players one on one too much which wouldn't work. It took him time to realize he should just out muscle players low and drive the net, like Chytil should do, and hopefully soon. Hertl wasn't a defensive beast per se when he first got into the league, but what did help him was always being better at faceoffs and being on a better team than Chytil has been on. If Chytil can improve on draws, I think he may be a very similar power center type(Z is also this, but the concussions are cause for concern) and playing with Panarin might help him realize that. And also learning to throw his weight around more.
We should see an improved team next year just from the progression of the kids. Adding a selke caliber 2C over Strome and 4C with snarl in Goodrow — not sure how it’s not an upgrade.
Don’t call if I’d call 19 points in 15 games in (March) + 12 points in 16 games (April) fading hard.
He was more productive per game in April than he was a combined January/February.
Don't know enough about the rest of the league for the who's in return, but would absolutely trade Buch and Strome in a sell high mindset. Already have Buch's replacement in Kravstov, so anything in return should just be icing. $6M cap hit for Buch is earned, but also, like, stupid for a good, yet rarely game changing wing. Wouldmost likely handicap re-signing better players in the future.
Strome is better than he gets credit for (remained good without Bread Man), but one-dimensional, his value will never be higher, and he's not a building block for the future, so it would irresponsible not to sell high from an asset management standpoint.
Whether either would be part of a package (+ prospects) to get a huge getback (say a first line center), the ideal scenario, the "worst" case scenario is cap space to sign the best player interested in coming here to help cancel out points lost in losing them (which will most likely be a net gain with Lafreniere and Kaako improving even more in that department).
Strome is better than he gets credit for (remained good without Bread Man), but one-dimensional, his value will never be higher, and he's not a building block for the future, so it would irresponsible not to sell high from an asset management standpoint.
Whether either would be part of a package (+ prospects) to get a huge getback (say a first line center), the ideal scenario, the "worst" case scenario is cap space to sign the best player interested in coming here to help cancel out points lost in losing them (which will most likely be a net gain with Lafreniere and Kaako improving even more in that department).
Ive had Buch in many trade proposals.
With that said — it sucks to deal him because he is getting better every shift he plays in this league. I am not quite sure if we would be selling high on him. He can still become a lot better at carrying the puck in traffic and he can also fire the puck better.
We can look at age, but I think that is a big mistake in relation to development. Best thing is to look at the curve. Where was he last season and where has he been this year? It’s nothing revolutionary, but he is improved for sure. Going from an insecure top 6 winger to an established top 6 winger. Shooting a little better, stronger physically, more focused around the net.
There are many players like this, Ziba is IMO improved the last two years compared to when we got him. Blake Wheeler took large large strides in his late 20s early 30s. Zuccarello.
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pld459666
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Is a great 3rd line.
Need to improve on Strome.
KAM+ for Hertl and send Strome packing for draft capital to continue fueling the jet.
I don't hate Miller. But I'm not afraid of moving him either.
Is a great 3rd line.
Need to improve on Strome.
KAM+ for Hertl and send Strome packing for draft capital to continue fueling the jet.
I don't hate Miller. But I'm not afraid of moving him either.
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I am not familiar with that lingo. I recon that P must be plug, but what does the D stand for?
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Other teams may be looking for an injection of skill. He could be moved as part of a package and later flipped by the other team. Imagine if we trade for Larkin and send Strome to Detroit as part of the deal. Yzerman could probably flip Strome at the deadline for a 2nd and a prospect, like we did with Grabner.
Strome has value. The issue with him is that he's just not a great fit for our team long term, given the other players we have. If we were loaded with gritty players, it would be a different story, but we've got too many finesse players. Strome is just the odd man out.
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For everyone wanting hertl for Chytil, this is almost worse than Mika for brass.
Chytil actually has a higher points per game rate at their age 21 seasons. Hertl is significantly older and more expensive.
I definitely think hertl would be a very good 2C for us, but Chytil has come nowhere close to his upside and absolutely looks ready for the 2C spot himself.
Chytil actually has a higher points per game rate at their age 21 seasons. Hertl is significantly older and more expensive.
I definitely think hertl would be a very good 2C for us, but Chytil has come nowhere close to his upside and absolutely looks ready for the 2C spot himself.
Chytil is horrible at the Center position... how is he absolutely ready for the 2C spot?
Chytil is destined to be a winger unless everything that is required to be a center turns around for him because he is lacking all over. Faceoffs, Defensive play, fumbling pucks for turnovers that leave him caught up ice trying to get back into position, among other things.
So if he is ultimately better suited for the wing, is he that untouchable, unmovable for a true center?
We don't need more fuel but can sure use a couple of pilots
Edge
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I think you can extract value --- it just might not be the type of value you really gush over.
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Chytil has the opportunity to work for THIS team at center. The Rangers moving forward, more than likely, are going to have 3-4 wingers who control play like a center in Panarin, Lafreniere, Kaako and Kravtsov. That means the center won't need to be the puck distributor which is where Chytil falters currently. If he can improve his face-offs and keep building his game to suit that support style but at center he will be fine.
The above is part of the reason I favor a guy like Danault, more than likely, over someone like Eichel. Someone who can better support the wingers but not break the bank.
The above is part of the reason I favor a guy like Danault, more than likely, over someone like Eichel. Someone who can better support the wingers but not break the bank.
Aside from winning faceoffs exactly what is he horrible at with the center position?
His metrics show solid 5v5 possession and defensive metrics, and he scores at a very high rate. And all of that is considering who his wingers have been.
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It's actually possible it's better to sign /trade for players who are bad at faceoffs than those that are good at them. If there is a premium in salary for being good at faceoffs it would be better to be a bad faceoff team than to pay for something that has almost no correlation with winning games.
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