Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[Mac n Gs]

They mighit get it, but they dont have it now and its pretty obvious the Rangers are looking for some of those traits now other wise they wouldn't have fired everyone. Its what Dolan or Sather or both or all including Drury seem to want. I'd be fine keeping the rebuild going, the Rangers I dont think are

Just because Dolan threw a tantrum and fired JD/Gorton doesn’t mean we should be rash and make other bad decisions too.

Again, these types of moves just point to impatience and tend to bite you in the ass in the long run. These kids are all 21 years old and under and are already showing promise in the NHL. There have been plenty of other suggestions thrown around here that fit the bill of what you want, and none of them involve moving kids that should be shaping the next core of the Rangers.

 

[Machinehead]

Danault is an excellent third line center. His offensive numbers have been in decline for several years now. I would love to have him for 3C, but now you want to pay him 2C money for a long term deal at 28?

His totals aren't third line on any team in the league except somewhere dumb like Piitsburgh.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Danault is an excellent third line center. His offensive numbers have been in decline for several years now. I would love to have him for 3C, but now you want to pay him 2C money for a long term deal at 28?

What? this is actually about Hertl, not Danault. Others have mentioned Danault as an option

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Just because Dolan threw a tantrum and fired JD/Gorton doesn’t mean we should be rash and make other bad decisions too.

Again, these types of moves just point to impatience and tend to bite you in the ass in the long run. These kids are all 21 years old and under and are already showing promise in the NHL. There have been plenty of other suggestions thrown around here that fit the bill of what you want, and none of them involve moving kids that should be shaping the next core of the Rangers.

well people aren't talking about moving Fox, Lafraniere, Kakko, Shesterkin, etc. Those are the guys you 100% keep. Everyone else should be available in what they think should be the right deal.. (obviously not counting Panarin, Zibanejad)

 

[Machinehead]

On a team that needs wings, Buch is a worthwhile player, but we have two that will be better.

If we did need a winger, and Buchnevich were UFA, I would think he's a steal with his 5v5 play.

 

[Richard Banger]

50+ point player, Selke-level defender, LH shot, on the smaller side but not shy, can cycle. Stylistically, he's everything Zibanejad and Strome aren't and will diversify our lineup significantly.

And here's the sauce: in his entire career, he has 1 powerplay goal and 11 assists. That's not a typo. He has TWELVE ass powerplay points. That sounds like a negative, but here's my rule: 40% of NHL salaries are powerplay points.

This guy is a bonafide superstar at 5-on-5 and $6.5m is a discount for how good he is the majority of the game. And we have PP guys. It's not a need.

But what are the chances of us getting him?

 

[Reway10]

Zero interest in Danault or Hertl

 

[Avery16]

 

[Fitzy]

Zero interest in Danault or Hertl

I'm open to hearing other suggestions.

Considering I might be the only person on this board comfortable with standing pat at the center position.

 

[McRanger92]

Interesting that the Rangers apparently want to keep Buchnevich. It would allow them to trade Kravtsov to diversify the forward group in the bottom 6. if you can get Buch signed for 5 years and under $6 mil per year, its a great deal.

 

[Machinehead]

But what are the chances of us getting him?

The Rangers can get any UFA they want bad enough. It depends entirely in their interest and where they set the price.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Interesting that the Rangers apparently want to keep Buchnevich. It would allow them to trade Kravtsov to diversify the forward group in the bottom 6. if you can get Buch signed for 5 years and under $6 mil per year, its a great deal.

I need something better than "bottom six" for Kravtsov tho

 

[Richard Banger]

The Rangers can get any UFA they want bad enough. It depends entirely in their interest and where they set the price.

So basically trade Strome and Buch for assets and get a stud 2way C for cap space?

i feel like this is a no brainer lol.

 

[Kodiak]

You sign him to an extension or you dont make the trade. They can afford both Zibanejad and Hertl, why does no one think this can be done when teams who won cups did it plenty? (Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc)

Those teams signed their core players and made due in other areas. Pittsburgh signed Crosby and Malkin to big contracts and did the best they could with wingers on a shoestring budget. If we signed Zibanejad and Hertl long-term, they might not even be part of the top 5 players on the team in fairly short order.

 

[Machinehead]

I need something better than "bottom six" for Kravtsov tho

Locking skilled forwards solely into top six roles hurts your depth and makes all of your lines one-dimensional.

Just don't do what Quinn did and play your third line 8 minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

So basically trade Strome and Buch for assets and get a stud 2way C for cap space?

i feel like this is a no brainer lol.

You are correct, sir.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Locking skilled forwards solely into top six roles hurts your depth and makes all of your lines one-dimensional.

Just don't do what Quinn did and play your third line 8 minutes.

if HE is in the bottom six thats different, if we're trading a 9th overall pick for a "bottom 6" player I need better than that. We can sign someone to do the same thing for a lot less than trading a 9th overall pick.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

With the new NHL deals, caps should go up starting in 2022-23 as well theoretically. As long as the world doesn't suck again

 

[Machinehead]

if HE is in the bottom six thats different, if we're trading a 9th overall pick for a "bottom 6" player I need better than that. We can sign someone to do the same thing for a lot less than trading a 9th overall pick.

Oh I got you. I misread that whole thing.

Yeah, if I'm trading Kravtsov, it's for an upgrade at center. 100%. Otherwise he's untouchabe.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Eric Robinson from CBJ would be a decent target if we want to beef up the wings. Has size, hits a lot, good defensively at ES.

I would not mind, if the Jackets don't resign him. he is from the NJ area so hopefully he was a Rangers fan as a kid. 25 year old. i don't mind these type of depth signings

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If the Rangers want to keep their same centers and keep building and maybe give chytil a chance at the 2C fine with me. Me talking about Hertl was simply an alternative to all the Eichel rumors, but if there's Eichel rumors and there has been going all the way back to last year they are clearly in the market to upgrade the center position, which Hertl is over Strome. Again if Drury wants to see what Chytil can do and they just upgrade the bottom six with some size and skill its also fine with me.

 

[McRanger92]

if HE is in the bottom six thats different, if we're trading a 9th overall pick for a "bottom 6" player I need better than that. We can sign someone to do the same thing for a lot less than trading a 9th overall pick.

Agreed with all of this. It’s more about diversifying the forwards, not trading a top prospect for some plug.

If the choice was Buch or Kravtsov though, I’d prefer to sign Buch. The likelihood of kravtsov reaching what buchnevich is now is not as high as what some on this board think. In my humble opinion of course

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m game for Danault if the contract term is reasonable. I have no interest in signing him for 7 years.

I would also trade Buch for a good young center prospect who can marinate a bit.

 

[HonestGabe]

Offseason plan

Gauthier to SEA in expansion
buyout Tony D (383k cap hit)

Trades

- Chytil, Reunanen, 1st round pick to SJ for Tomas Hertl
- Strome for a late 1st at the draft

Signings

Buchnevich - 5 years, 6m AAV
Bonino - 2 years, $3m AAV
Martinook - 3 years, $2.25m AAV
Brendan Smith - 1 year, $1.25m AAV to be our #7 guy


Lafreniere Zibanejad Buchnevich
Panarin Hertl Kakko
Kreider Bonino Kravtsov
Martinook Barron ______ ***

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Lundkvist/Schneider
Smith

*** I think we have a collection of bottom 6 forwards on cheap 2 way deals who can fill that last spot between Rooney, Blackwell, Justin Richards, Howden (yuck), Gettinger etc.

To me, this team would be much better than this past season's group. Diversification of talent up front, adding some size and experience in vets like Martinook and Bonino, while getting someone like Barron to take on a bigger role in the bottom 6. Also leaves relative roster flexibility down the road and the opportunity to upgrade at the deadline in the event of injuries or a desire to play a heavier game.

 

[Machinehead]

I’m game for Danault if the contract term is reasonable. I have no interest in signing him for 7 years.

I would also trade Buch for a good young center prospect who can marinate a bit.

Fair point about the years.

I don't care about the dollars because I think he's an absolute gem, but few players are gems at 34.

Plus, 5-6 years from now could be when Lafreniere gets an 8-digit contract and I f***ing certainly hope he does.