Speculation: Roster Building Thread I (2021 Offseason) - And so it begins...

[Edge]

Just referred to how I called that if Gorton and co kept DQ around, it would cost them their job.

Do you still feel that the only issue with DQ is how much ice time Blackwell got? And maybe some too many men penalty?

I think their jobs were probably coming to an end with or without DQ, based on where we're at.

The only probable difference would be that the different coach would probably have a longer shelf-life than DQ does as of today.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Looks like Littlefinger with glasses

Strome looks a lot like Tom Holland

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Vegas has the room to fit Zibanejad. Next year is the year it would be tight and then Smith and Fleury are UFA's the off-season Zibanejad's new contract would kick in. Conceivably, the Rangers could retain for next year on Zibanejad and take back a contract (Reaves) and make Vegas' job much easier. Or a 3rd team could step in and offer to do that for a cost.

Let's say the deal is:

Krebs + Reaves + LV 2nd '22 for Zibanejad (full contract)
or
Krebs + Reaves + LV 2nd '22 + NJ 2nd '21 for Zibanejad (50% cap hit)

 

[jay from jersey]

Guess I'm just freaking out over people saying Dolan is going to f*** things up. Laf, Kakko, Fox, Shesty should all be untouchables.

Yea the only 1 out of that group they may dangle is kakko, but the return would have to be Immense, and that’s if they think Kravtsov can provide the same thing kakko can. But honestly I wouldn’t worry about Drury even thing of moving any of these guys

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Brooks has put out a string of good articles and Im starting to get worried.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Eichel trade is something i wouldn't do unless we stole him, which Buff cant afford to do here. Plus his injuries, plus his lack of winning, plus the assets going back, plus 10 mill....im out

 

[SA16]

Everything is arbitrary but I am basing this off of what I am seeing around the league in the past with guys as they age.

So if you're buying a car that you really like and the sticker says $55,000 and you go make an offer but the salesman says, 'what's the difference, how about $60,000', you'd still buy it?

My specific breaking point is 5 years. I have no interest in a longer deal than that for a player with injury history.

That's a bad comparison.

The Rangers can often Mika, say, 5 years and 10M/year. He can come back and say he'd rather have 6 years with 9M/year. Your car example does not consider that. But to go with your example - yes, if they were insistent $60,000 was the price and that is what other dealerships were offering me then I would pay it as that is the cost. If I'm planning on having this car for years is $5,000 going to deter me and make me want to get a worse car? I'm going to use it every day.

He doesn't even have a significant injury history. That's narrative. He's played every game 2/3 years. He has, supposely, had a couple of concussions that did not keep him out for huge periods of time. He had one fluke injury crashing into the post/boards that broke his leg that can easily ahppen to anyone.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I see Larry has circled back around to lusting after Tkachuk

I’d also like to know what he’s smoking to think that:
1. Zibanejad is a better player than Eichel
2. Lindgren is somehow untouchable but Kakko and Miller aren’t

 

[SA16]

Stole this post from the Blueshirt Banter comment section. Eichel trending in the right direction, Zibanejad not so much.
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These charts conveniently leave out that while Zibanejad may not be the best at driving play he is an elite scorer and as such will always outscore xG models.

https://i.gyazo.com/903f25799bceb8c3c9f4a67214dfdf67.png

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Take away the whole front office situation, and we were always going to have to trade some prospects for established players at some point.

When they all mature, are we gonna run with 10 defenseman every night?

 

[Ola]

I think their jobs were probably coming to an end with or without DQ, based on where we're at.

The only probable difference would be that the different coach would probably have a long shelf-life than DQ does as of today.

I don’t know.

I think Jeff Gorton really has some abilities that will be very hard to replace, think it’s unfortunate that it had to end like it did.

While it’s no excuse for Gorton, the roster had issues, in many areas the responsibility is shared. From being very ill prepared to play in the bubble, to getting record poor production from our 1/2 overall picks due to having no plan for how to use them, to being totally unprepared to handle the physical aspects of only playing intra-divisional games, to having an obvious rift between the top guys and the coach — it became too much for anyone Dolan talked to. And many of those flaws were the direct result of Dave Quinn’s incompetence.

Things could have been very very different for Gorton and JD with a solid NHL coach. I don’t know what made Gorton hang on to DQ, if it was because he wanted someone he could control — but like I said before this happened, having DQ as your coach is like having a ticking bomb.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don’t know.

I think Jeff Gorton really has some abilities that will be very hard to replace, think it’s unfortunate that it had to end like it did.

While it’s no excuse for Gorton, the roster had issues, in many areas the responsibility is shared. From being very ill prepared to play in the bubble, to getting record poor production from our 1/2 overall picks due to having no plan for how to use them, to being totally unprepared to handle the physical aspects of only playing intra-divisional games, to having an obvious rift between the top guys and the coach — it became too much for anyone Dolan talked to. And many of those flaws were the direct result of Dave Quinn’s incompetence.

Things could have been very very different for Gorton and JD with a solid NHL coach. I don’t know what made Gorton hang on to DQ, if it was because he wanted someone he could control — but like I said before this happened, having DQ as your coach is like having a ticking bomb.

I think everyone got ahead of themselves with the Panarin and Trouba adds...our roster is super young and at the moment pretty full of holes, especially at LD, 3rd pair d, center and 4th line construction. Add in covid Zib, Putin Panarin, Trouba injury, Chytil injury, Shesterkin injury ,Kreider injury(which I think he has been dealing with since more than a month) etc etc and it was a recipe for what we are.

 

[duhmetreE]

Brooks has put out a string of good articles and Im starting to get worried.

I've always loved Brooksie... Don't get the hate for him.

Maybe it's because I grew up with him and have been reading his articles for 25+ years... but I typically agree with what he writes.

 

[Fireonk]

I see Larry has circled back around to lusting after Tkachuk

I’d also like to know what he’s smoking to think that:
1. Zibanejad is a better player than Eichel
2. Lindgren is somehow untouchable but Kakko and Miller aren’t

I don't think that Lindgren is untouchable compared to Kakko and Miller, but I do think it's less likely he gets traded than them. Not that I want to see any of them traded, but Kakko and Miller are guys who will be talked about to go big game hunting, Lindgren has more value to us than he will to a trade partner.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Brooks has put out a string of good articles and Im starting to get worried.

Becaue he's back. Sather is back. He went from completely cutoff to back in the fold

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I've always loved Brooksie... Don't get the hate for him.

Maybe it's because I grew up with him and have been reading his articles for 25+ years... but I typically agree with what he writes.

I always read his stuff but imo he really doesn't know hockey as much as he knows how to read a room and write.

 

[EpicDing]

I feel like we have under discussed whether BBKer's "BB" is Bruce Boudreau or Brian Boyle. The timing of Boyle's addition to Team USA ran by Drury and them having played for 2 years together, and being a center great on face offs, I think that's probably more likely?

Could just be doing a favor for an old teammate. I think they were together here for a few years?

 

[Machinehead]

We have to keep Strome now. I need at least half a season calling him Spiderman.

 

[Edge]

I don’t know.

I think Jeff Gorton really has some abilities that will be very hard to replace, think it’s unfortunate that it had to end like it did.

While it’s no excuse for Gorton, the roster had issues, in many areas the responsibility is shared. From being very ill prepared to play in the bubble, to getting record poor production from our 1/2 overall picks due to having no plan for how to use them, to being totally unprepared to handle the physical aspects of only playing intra-divisional games, to having an obvious rift between the top guys and the coach — it became too much for anyone Dolan talked to. And many of those flaws were the direct result of Dave Quinn’s incompetence.

Things could have been very very different for Gorton and JD with a solid NHL coach. I don’t know what made Gorton hang on to DQ, if it was because he wanted someone he could control — but like I said before this happened, having DQ as your coach is like having a ticking bomb.

My gut tells me that the results wouldn't have been too much different regardless of who the coach was. I think some things would've been better, others would've been worse, I think the overall result would've been the same unless they go out and make bigger changes last offseason --- which most reports indicated wasn't really possible.

Either the options they liked weren't interested in spending a year in NYC during a pandemic, or those options preferred a contender, or the price wasn't a match at the time.

In the end, I think Dolan was going likely to erupt no matter what, and at the end of the day his opinion is ultimately the only one that really drives decisions.

I think most everyone on the planet is in agreement of what needed to be changed about this roster, and now that responsibility falls to Drury.

Even now, as he is still here (for now?), I don't think DQ was the line in the sand for all of this. I think the Islander games, the few vets we had being out down the stretch and several other factors really created a perfect storm for the ultimate wildcard --- Jim Dolan. And that wildcard came up.

I too think the whole thing is unfortunate because I think we've built something promising here. I think we can still get there. We just have to hope Dolan stays out and Drury is every bit as good as we hope he can be.

 

[17futurecap]

I've always loved Brooksie... Don't get the hate for him.

Maybe it's because I grew up with him and have been reading his articles for 25+ years... but I typically agree with what he writes.

Its an entertainment business, and his articles are entertaining, whether you agree with him or not. I think Vince is a solid reporter for quotes, updates etc.... but I have never thought, I can’t wait to read Vince’s opinion on the Rangers.

 

[egelband]

The man-man defense aspect cannot be forgotten here. Both Gallant and Boudreau are man-man coaches.

But first of all, man-man defense vs zone isn’t black and white. All zone defenses has an element of man-man coverage and vice versa. Ultimately it depends on decisions made by the players, and the coach’s impact is more of a rule of thumb. But a team like the Islanders is of course strict zone while Bruce B is pretty strict man-man. I don’t know about Gallant?

Ultimately, I come from a man-man background and has seen a lot of man-man hockey during my up bringing.

But when looking how extremely loose the NHL game is right now, when even a strict defensive team like the Islanders will have two Ds pinching in at the same time, backhand drops inside the blueline while a line change is taking place, forwards challenging Ds 1 on 1 no matter the score or time left on the clock — things that are total no-go’s at most places just 5-10 years ago — I wonder if the stability of a zone defense isn’t to be preferred?

You can also be very effective offensively despite playing a zone defense. That is the big difference, you play man man to not stand still when you play defense, I.e. to already have speed under your skates when you win the puck. But like look at Philly this year, I think it’s risky to go man-man, especially in our division. How will the schedule be next year?

Feeling the same way. Keep the defense simple and reliable. Particularly with so many kids. They’re smart enough to know when to break rank and go off script.
And we all saw how effective the Isles were against us. So there’s a testimonial.

 

[Bring Back Avery]

How about trading Strome and Buch + for Malkin (maybe +)? He's a bigger guy with Stanley Cup experience. I know he is older and gets hurt a lot, but that could help keep what we have to give up for him to a minimum.

 

[JimmyG89]

Tkachuk would be exactly what this team needs. I would be willing to throw a lot to Calgary to get him. 2 more years at 8 million, then he's an RFA. 23 years old. I'm talking just about anyone except Lafreniere, Fox, Shesterkin, and the NMC players.

I do agree with Brooks that Miller or Kakko wouldn't make me immediately hang up.

 

[Machinehead]

How about trading Strome and Buch + for Malkin (maybe +)? He's a bigger guy with Stanley Cup experience. I know he is older and gets hurt a lot, but that could help keep what we have to give up for him to a minimum.

Malkin is still a PPG player without blinking. It would cost more than that.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I can see the Drury offering Briere Director of Player Development + GM of Hartford (AHL). He's currently running day-to-day ops in Portland (ECHL).

Does gordie stay?